60degree/120 degree hall sensor spacings

[The7]

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crystalyte is unusual using 12v supply for hall sensors, I would think 5v
sorry i'm not more help, I really dont understand much about hall sensor angles etc

Do you mean that ONLY crystalyte use 12v supply for Hall sensors and other mades use 5V?

 

[solarbbq2003]

the three pin connector should be for brake cut off switches, looks like older model than controllers I have but pretty sure thats what those three are.
Short any two together will find controller wont work for two combinations.
I wouldn't try motor hall sensors on 13.6v firstly , I would try on 5v supply, or open motor and get the hall sensors part numbers and check what voltage they use.
I haven't found any other motors that use 12v hall sensor power ( apart from crystalyte and fisher paykel washing machine motors!), seems majority use 5volt hall sensor supply. I would try on 5v supply first, best to open motor though and check component number
If using 5v supply on a crystalyte motor it wont run correctly not enough voltage for hall sensors.
I can remember what is output voltage of 12v crystalyte hall sensors, but I think if your hall sensors are 5v, the 1-4v output should run crystalyte controller ok ( not 100% sure but think will be ok)

 

[The7]

I haven't found any other motors that use 12v hall sensor power ( apart from crystalyte and fisher paykel washing machine motors!), seems majority use 5volt hall sensor supply. I would try on 5v supply first, best to open motor though and check component number
If using 5v supply on a crystalyte motor it wont run correctly not enough voltage for hall sensors.
I can remember what is output voltage of 12v crystalyte hall sensors, but I think if your hall sensors are 5v, the 1-4v output should run crystalyte controller ok ( not 100% sure but think will be hok)

Futher testing shows the Hall inputs of Schwinn and Xtyle controllers (possibly other mades as well) use pull-up resistors. Schwinn pulls it up to 5V and Xtyle to 13V for "High". The output stages use open-collector stages that will load down to 0 V for "Low" by the Hall sensors position wrt the magnetic poles.
To feed 5V supply to the Schwinn Hall units, an 7805 (5 V regulator)could be used to drop the 13V to 5V for the Schwinn Hall units. I don't the 5V from the throttle could be used because it may not have the current reguired by the Hall sensor unit.
Then the output from the Schwinn Hall units could provide 0V and 13V as needed to the Xtyle controler. (99% sure this modification will work.)

If the Schwinn Hall supply is 5V, then there will be no damage done to the units.

Will try this out later.

 

[The7]

now this is getting interesting
if its possible to change the crystalyte controllers relatively simply to 60degree it will make possible for alot of motors to be used with crytalyte controllers ( 60degree motors can be change to 120degree by flipping the middle hall sensgor in motor around but moding the controller might take less time) , might do some experiments if time permits

Wondering if you have you tried it?

Recently I did an test on my Schwinn AL1020. The spacing of the Hall signals output is 120 deg.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1636

Hy leads Hb by 120 deg.
Hy leads Hg by 240 deg.

If Hg is inverted by an logic IC ( or simple circuit using npn as shown) as H*g.
then Hy leads H*g by 60 deg.

Hence you would have an equivalent 60 deg spacing Hall signal for an 60 deg contoller.

In a similar way, you also invert the 60 deg Hall signal to get an equivalent 120 deg spacing Hall signals.

Since the input of the controllers use pull-up resistors, the revised circuit is as shown:

 

[The7]

solarbbq2003,

Do all GL controllers have re-gen braking?

What are their volt and amp rating?

Have ever GL controllers used in Xtlye motors? And vice-versa?

 

[solarbbq2003]

sorry for delay just noticed this question
gl all use regen controller, controller is 60deg, but know how to change that one to 120deg no prob, also its output for halls is 5v, but can take a 14v supply from controller to run 12v hall sensors.
Have tested on crystayte an adapted gl controller, it works runs fine, haven't tried in a bike only bench test, but should be fine on the road.

 

[The7]

The Hall supply of X-controller is about 13V when it not connected to the motor side.

When it is connected to the motor side, it will drops to about 7V. So there is no problem in connecting to my ebike AL1020 which uses 5V.

A better way is to use an LED in series to drop it to 4.8V for my case. It works very well with no problem at all.

Two main differences between X-controller and Ananda controller:
1) The phase sequence of A-con is yellow-blue-green.
And that of X-con is yellow-green-blue.
2) The LINK of reverse in X-con should be closed to give the same rotation as A-con.

So direction of rotation and phase-sequence are also important factors for using other made controller.
At last, have learnt to do it right with the right tools.