Advice needed

[snowscum]

Trek superfly hardtail model year 2013. Need some suggestions for hub drive, 25mph at least, throttle, no regen, assist, some hills, commute, budget $1500 max. Lunacycle is out of the 1000w, purchase battery from them. Need some direction.

 

[dogman dan]

Where I work got back in stock this week.

 

[wesnewell]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66302

 

[snowscum]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66302

I think I covered most of this in my post. So this is not the board to seek advice in a simple hub drive?

 

[snowscum]

Where I work got back in stock this week.

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Luna is still showing out of stock for the 1000w. Any alternative to luna that you guys trust? HPC has a 2000w but I think thats too much for my trek.

 

[wesnewell]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66302

I think I covered most of this in my post. So this is not the board to seek advice in a simple hub drive?

Yet you still haven't done the most important part. It's the very first part of the post, in bold red letters.

 

[snowscum]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66302

I think I covered most of this in my post. So this is not the board to seek advice in a simple hub drive?

Yet you still haven't done the most important part. It's the very first part of the post, in bold red letters.

Is that better? So I dont really want to buy off ebay. Im curious how many problems over time I would run into with a mid drive. Just dont want to break down on the way to work.

 

[Wolfeman]

Where I work got back in stock this week.

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Luna is still showing out of stock for the 1000w. Any alternative to luna that you guys trust? HPC has a 2000w but I think thats too much for my trek.

Hey Snowscum, I bought the 2000w HPC kit for my Trek hardtail. I know I couldn't saved some money by pricing it together from different vendors, but it is awesome..... Top speed with the 52V pack is very close to 40 mph. It'll cruise at 20 mph with 250 lbs of me and gear for about 40 miles. Fresh off the charger at 58V it will lift the front wheel if you're not careful.

That being said, I kinda wish I'd gone for the MXUS 3K with a 60V Luna battery. Next bike....

 

[dogman dan]

To make it perfectly clear,,, I don't work for Luna Cycle.

E-Bikekit.com is in stock, on everything except the low rpm rear DD motor.

Not the cheapest place to buy a kit.

Grin is another real good vendor, they have a rear crystalyte kit here. http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/conversion-kits/crystalyte-rear-hs-kit-basic-throttle.html

 

[wesnewell]

Take your pick. if your bike has rear disc brakes, choose one that supports disc brakes.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=48v1000w%20rear&LH_PrefLoc=1&rt=nc&LH_FS=1
For a battery, I'd use 12s rc lipo. Small, cheap, easy to assemble and repair if needed, reconfigurable, but any 48V pack capable of 30A output will work if you don't mind the voltage sag of those 18650 packs and don't mind paying the premium for what I consider a much lessor product.
I wouldn't spend more than $700 for everything, including a new bike.

 

[snowscum]

Where I work got back in stock this week.

'

Luna is still showing out of stock for the 1000w. Any alternative to luna that you guys trust? HPC has a 2000w but I think thats too much for my trek.

Hey Snowscum, I bought the 2000w HPC kit for my Trek hardtail. I know I couldn't saved some money by pricing it together from different vendors, but it is awesome..... Top speed with the 52V pack is very close to 40 mph. It'll cruise at 20 mph with 250 lbs of me and gear for about 40 miles. Fresh off the charger at 58V it will lift the front wheel if you're not careful.

That being said, I kinda wish I'd gone for the MXUS 3K with a 60V Luna battery. Next bike....

So you havent had issues with breaking your frame or anything? 40mph is cooking really lol. So HPC is the only place to get that 2000w? It was a bit more than I wanted to spend to ride to work but been watching videos on it and wanted it from the get go. Thought I would save a bit getting a 1000w.

 

[snowscum]

Take your pick. if your bike has rear disc brakes, choose one that supports disc brakes.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=48v1000w%20rear&LH_PrefLoc=1&rt=nc&LH_FS=1
For a battery, I'd use 12s rc lipo. Small, cheap, easy to assemble and repair if needed, reconfigurable, but any 48V pack capable of 30A output will work if you don't mind the voltage sag of those 18650 packs and don't mind paying the premium for what I consider a much lessor product.
I wouldn't spend more than $700 for everything, including a new bike.

I was told not to trust buying that stuff on ebay. Could be a hit or miss and Id rather have a pleasant experience doing this for the first time even though I will pay more.

I do have a superfly that I bought a few years back and havent ridden it in a while. Figured I would electrify it and get off the highway a few times a week to work.

Just have buyers remorse and want to get a good kit to start out. I rode a friends at work he jerryrigged together and wanted to do a better job. His was a mid drive.

Figured a hub could be a bit less headaches.

 

[snowscum]

To make it perfectly clear,,, I don't work for Luna Cycle.

E-Bikekit.com is in stock, on everything except the low rpm rear DD motor.

Not the cheapest place to buy a kit.

Grin is another real good vendor, they have a rear crystalyte kit here. http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/conversion-kits/crystalyte-rear-hs-kit-basic-throttle.html

So this crystalyte kit, my trek is a 29ner. Which wheel under the selection is that? I looked those over and pretty good price really.

Another quesiton I had is if I ran out of juice and its a direct drive, is it a pain to pedal? Id like to avoid that really. So I take it its a direct drive?

 

[wesnewell]

I was told not to trust buying that stuff on ebay.

Of course you were. There are lots of specialty shops that don't want you paying half or less of what they charge for basically the same product. But it's your money. With very few exceptions, whatever you buy will come from the same place as everyone else sells. And That's China. Some have them customized with their logo, even different names for the motors, etc., but in the end it's the same motor, controller, throttle, etc. all from a Chinese manufacturer.

 

[snowscum]

I was told not to trust buying that stuff on ebay.

Of course you were. There are lots of specialty shops that don't want you paying half or less of what they charge for basically the same product. But it's your money. With very few exceptions, whatever you buy will come from the same place as everyone else sells. And That's China. Some have them customized with their logo, even different names for the motors, etc., but in the end it's the same motor, controller, throttle, etc. all from a Chinese manufacturer.

I actually read it in a article pertaining to electric bikes. A well knows site. I have yet to step foot in a bike shop that sold electric bikes.
It just makes s/ense to me not to just buy Chinese made stuff from someone off ebay. I may save a ton but if I get it and it takes a crap then
was it worth it Im not thinking so. Im glad you have had good luck going that route. You just dont know who you are getting this stuff from.
At least if you spend a little more from a online store, you might have a chance in recovering monies lost. To many scams out there in my opinion.
I need to get this project going since we are running out of summer.

 

[wesnewell]

You just don't get it. All the motor kits I bought off ebay came from this vendor. And I guess I got lucky 3 times.
http://www.yescomusa.com/collections/sports-rec/electric-bicycles
But I bought them on ebay for a better price from their ebay rep. So got ahead, buy your kit from whomever you want. Pay 2 to 4 times more for the same thing. It's your money. You might think its safer, but it isn't. BTW, what was that well known site? Couldn't be another ebike shop site could it?

 

[2old]

+1 with wes; why don't you go to the reviews section and read what others have experienced with the YESCOM kit; or waste some money.

 

[snowscum]

You just don't get it. All the motor kits I bought off ebay came from this vendor. And I guess I got lucky 3 times.
http://www.yescomusa.com/collections/sports-rec/electric-bicycles
But I bought them on ebay for a better price from their ebay rep. So got ahead, buy your kit from whomever you want. Pay 2 to 4 times more for the same thing. It's your money. You might think its safer, but it isn't. BTW, what was that well known site? Couldn't be another ebike shop site could it?

https://electricbike-blog.com/2016/03/05/how-to-buy-your-first-ebike-or-ebike-kit-and-not-get-punked/

That article. Seems to me he has been burned enough times to have learned.

 

[wesnewell]

Blocked whois, so you can't see who owns the domain. That should tell you something. Along with the fact that he's associated with ebike specialty dealers. I don't know who this is, but it's obvious he has an agenda, and that's to get people to buy from specialty dealers that charge premium prices. I read some of the article, and I found a lot of it to be just crap scare tactics. If he's burned up a bunch of motors, then that doesn't say much for his intelligence. I run my cheap 1000W motor on 24s lipo at up to 100.8V with a 40A controller and I've got 20K miles on it without a problem. But I'm not an idiot and don't run it until it gets hot enough to burn it up. There are literally thousands of people that have bought kits off ebay with success. Many of them here on ES. Buy from ebay. Pay with paypal. It doesn't get any safer. or believe some blogger with an agena. Your choice. I don't really care. It's not my money.

 

[amberwolf]

Blocked whois, so you can't see who owns the domain.

https://electricbike-blog.com/contact/
https://electricbike-blog.com/author/karlgesslein/

top link lists one of his other sites that whois shows
http://www.enom.com/whois/default.aspx?DomainName=+www.awaken-spirit.org.

Registrant ID: CR128222614
Registrant Name: Karl Gesslein
Registrant Organization: Computer Gurus
Registrant Street: 307 Prospect Valley Way
Registrant City: Willseyville
Registrant State/Province: New York
Registrant Postal Code: 13864
Registrant Country: US

 

[Chalo]

I wouldn't spend more than $700 for everything, including a new bike.

That's why you'll never know better than what you have-- a toy bike meant to be a rarely-used Christmas present for an adolescent, with a toy airplane battery that needs its own fire cabinet.

A real bike that's built to last and perform decently at higher than normal loads and/or speeds costs significantly more than that all by itself. $700 will buy you a reasonably OK bike for average pedal-only use. A safe and reliable e-bike battery with charger costs $400ish and up as far as I can tell.

A hub motor kit is something you can cheap out on, but reserve at least $100 extra for a new rim, spokes, and competent assembly. The stuff that comes laced to the hub will pretty much always be trouble-prone junk.

 

[wesnewell]

I wouldn't spend more than $700 for everything, including a new bike.

That's why you'll never know better than what you have-- a toy bike meant to be a rarely-used Christmas present for an adolescent, with a toy airplane battery that needs its own fire cabinet.

A real bike that's built to last and perform decently at higher than normal loads and/or speeds costs significantly more than that all by itself. $700 will buy you a reasonably OK bike for average pedal-only use. A safe and reliable e-bike battery with charger costs $400ish and up as far as I can tell.

A hub motor kit is something you can cheap out on, but reserve at least $100 extra for a new rim, spokes, and competent assembly. The stuff that comes laced to the hub will pretty much always be trouble-prone junk.

I don't think I could buy anything better than what I have at any price. Otherwise it wouldn't have carried my 270 lb fat ass 20K miles at speeds up to 61.4 mph without failing. I did spend $100 for a better front wheel and rear motor rim though, so that's one point we agree on. A safe and reliable battery cost me $275 shipped over 4 years and about 15K miles ago. And that was for a 40+ mile range at 20mph. Recently bought a replacement that I still haven't used for $180. If I wanted only 20 niles at 20 mph, I could have got that for <$100. So go ahead advise everyone to spend a fortune on flashlight batteries that won't last under heavy loads. I know better. And it's not my money.

 

[wineboyrider]

There are tool batteries now when used in parallel can be used for electric bikes that you can even pick up at the Home depot or Lowe's like the 58v echo line or greenworks 80v line etc.?

 

[wineboyrider]

https://www.amazon.com/Echo-CBP-58V..._SR160,160_&psc=1&refRID=29639NDHKN9V31SPNY9J like this one from amazon.