Ken Taylor
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It comes from http://www.jobike.it/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=702&whichpage=5 and this is the other end of the spectrum.tonyontopofabighill said:
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tonyontopofabighill
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Thanks Ken,
Yeah, the pic above is definitely at the other end of the spectrum. I have seen that one before.I looked at the link you put on above and I can see that there is no problem putting a rear disc brake using the rack holes.
Cheers,
Tony.
Yeah, the pic above is definitely at the other end of the spectrum. I have seen that one before.I looked at the link you put on above and I can see that there is no problem putting a rear disc brake using the rack holes.
Cheers,
Tony.
Hillhater
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Yes, that was a very neat battery bay top cover.
...but its a pity it was just to cover 24v of SLA bat's
Im fairly sure i could get 40Ahr at 10s lipo under that !
Also, did you notice the Ally battery tray he had made that used the original key lock to retain it in position. :wink:
Ref. rear disc. somewhere i recall seeing a picture in an advert for the aprilia, and it had a disc's fitted to both wheels !
..but cannot recall where i saw it now.
...but its a pity it was just to cover 24v of SLA bat's
Im fairly sure i could get 40Ahr at 10s lipo under that !
Also, did you notice the Ally battery tray he had made that used the original key lock to retain it in position. :wink:
Ref. rear disc. somewhere i recall seeing a picture in an advert for the aprilia, and it had a disc's fitted to both wheels !
..but cannot recall where i saw it now.
tonyontopofabighill
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Thanks HH...My bike is in having a NuVinci hub put on and a rear disc brake. The bike shop wasn't sure if they could do it but now that I have seen a couple of bike with them on I will be expecting to find one fitted when I pick it up. I will have to replace the front forks in order to put a disc up front I think.
tonyontopofabighill
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Update of temperature sensor..
I taped the end of the temp sensor to the top front of the motor with a few layers of insulating tape and went out for the morning ride. The ambient temp was 17C. It took a while for the motor to warm up and I reckon I had gone about 5 klms before the gauge showed any rise. Most of my ride is next to the ocean and is not overly hilly. Eventually the temp rose to a steady 43C and stayed around that for a further 10klms or thereabouts until I started to rise from sea level up my big hill. The rise from sea level to my my home at the top of the hill is probably about 1.5 klms .I watched the gauge go up steadily from 43C to about 70C at the top.When I finished the ride and got off the bike the temp kept rising until it peaked at 86C. Obviously the temp is going to do that then as there is no cool air passing the motor as when riding.
So , I am happy with this as it looks like if I was on an everyday ride where there are some average sized hills and lots of flat stuff and me pedalling with half to full throttle then the temp is going to hover around the 43C mark.
I taped the end of the temp sensor to the top front of the motor with a few layers of insulating tape and went out for the morning ride. The ambient temp was 17C. It took a while for the motor to warm up and I reckon I had gone about 5 klms before the gauge showed any rise. Most of my ride is next to the ocean and is not overly hilly. Eventually the temp rose to a steady 43C and stayed around that for a further 10klms or thereabouts until I started to rise from sea level up my big hill. The rise from sea level to my my home at the top of the hill is probably about 1.5 klms .I watched the gauge go up steadily from 43C to about 70C at the top.When I finished the ride and got off the bike the temp kept rising until it peaked at 86C. Obviously the temp is going to do that then as there is no cool air passing the motor as when riding.
So , I am happy with this as it looks like if I was on an everyday ride where there are some average sized hills and lots of flat stuff and me pedalling with half to full throttle then the temp is going to hover around the 43C mark.
Samd
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Agreed. Amber status at about 85 or 90 degrees, and I'd call Code Red at 95 degrees.
Samd
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Actually a battery case isnt so dear:
http://www.apriliagenuineparts.co.uk/component-bici-elettrica-enjoy-01-battery-805.php
http://www.apriliagenuineparts.co.uk/component-bici-elettrica-enjoy-01-battery-805.php
Hillhater
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Sam, . have you actually bought anything from that source ?..It would be good if we can since their prices are much lower than local sources.?
The local Australian Aprilia agent ( Sargents ?) quoted me $68 for the Outer battery cover ( item 15 )... and $1100+ for the complete battery ( Item 19 ). The UK prices are about half ours here !
But, using the original battery case seriously limits the amount of cells ( and kWhr) you can fit under the bodywork, and i wouldn't want to rely on the factory pack "contact connections" for higher currents when simple proven connectors are easy to fit.
The local Australian Aprilia agent ( Sargents ?) quoted me $68 for the Outer battery cover ( item 15 )... and $1100+ for the complete battery ( Item 19 ). The UK prices are about half ours here !
But, using the original battery case seriously limits the amount of cells ( and kWhr) you can fit under the bodywork, and i wouldn't want to rely on the factory pack "contact connections" for higher currents when simple proven connectors are easy to fit.
Samd
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Yeah bought three times. Postage is a killer but it calculates for you so no surprises after the order is done.
If it were me I'd just buy the top plate and the terminals, and craft my own inner/under box from corflute and duct tape, maybe ply.
Not that i need to - I have three batt boxes
Sorry, just rubbing it in.
If it were me I'd just buy the top plate and the terminals, and craft my own inner/under box from corflute and duct tape, maybe ply.
Not that i need to - I have three batt boxes
Sorry, just rubbing it in.
Ken Taylor
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Samd said:
I'm now thinking the battery case is inefficient with space. There is too large a gap between the battery case and the side of the battery cavity.
Hillhater
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Yes ken, it is a space waster !
I made a new "battery tray" using plastic "project box's" from JCar. they have a 90mm x 150mm box that 2 5s Turnigy lipo packs fit in perfectly.
# of those glued ( PVC pipe cement) together gives a tray with 15Ahr of 10 s lipo that fits neatly into the battery bay with no mods to the bike or the original battery pack.( i can use either)
I made a new "battery tray" using plastic "project box's" from JCar. they have a 90mm x 150mm box that 2 5s Turnigy lipo packs fit in perfectly.
# of those glued ( PVC pipe cement) together gives a tray with 15Ahr of 10 s lipo that fits neatly into the battery bay with no mods to the bike or the original battery pack.( i can use either)
tonyontopofabighill
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City model modified with new 350 watt controller and thumb throttle for sale in Marrickville Sydney for $800.
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/marrickville/bicycles/aprilia-enjoy-city-electric-assist-bicycle-w-charger-/10175
From the time it took to put this on here and check the link the bike had sold. It looked in excellent condition too
I got onto the seller and it IS still for sale.
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/marrickville/bicycles/aprilia-enjoy-city-electric-assist-bicycle-w-charger-/10175
From the time it took to put this on here and check the link the bike had sold. It looked in excellent condition too
I got onto the seller and it IS still for sale.
tonyontopofabighill
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Hi Guys,
Just wondering if anyone has ever changed a front sprocket on these bikes.I think I remember someone saying that it might be hard to get one?I have just fitted the new wheel with the NuVinci hub and new chain and it went well for about a kilometre and then the chain started slipping big time and eventually I had to walk the bike home. I have had an on going issue with this problem for a couple of years now and have changed the rear caseette on a couple of bikes only to find this problem returning again and again.On the bikes with the shimano cassette I have tried tensioning the gear cable and adjusting the limit screws and it will last for a while and then the old slipping chain rears its ugly head again.I thought by replacing the rear cassette with a nuvinci hub that that would eliminate the problem but doesn't appear so.That is when I started to wonder if the problem might be the front chainring.Maybe it is worn and not liking to have a new chain running around its worn teeth .This bike has had the same chainring on it from new 6 years ago and lots of k's on it too.
Any one got any ideas?
Phew ! Problem sorted... It is the chain tensioner...It needs to be adjusted with a bit more tension on it... so, not the chainring after all.. Thank god for that. Now I will have a go at tensioning it. I am using the old unit but I have been advised to buy a proper tensioner.
Just wondering if anyone has ever changed a front sprocket on these bikes.I think I remember someone saying that it might be hard to get one?I have just fitted the new wheel with the NuVinci hub and new chain and it went well for about a kilometre and then the chain started slipping big time and eventually I had to walk the bike home. I have had an on going issue with this problem for a couple of years now and have changed the rear caseette on a couple of bikes only to find this problem returning again and again.On the bikes with the shimano cassette I have tried tensioning the gear cable and adjusting the limit screws and it will last for a while and then the old slipping chain rears its ugly head again.I thought by replacing the rear cassette with a nuvinci hub that that would eliminate the problem but doesn't appear so.That is when I started to wonder if the problem might be the front chainring.Maybe it is worn and not liking to have a new chain running around its worn teeth .This bike has had the same chainring on it from new 6 years ago and lots of k's on it too.
Any one got any ideas?
Phew ! Problem sorted... It is the chain tensioner...It needs to be adjusted with a bit more tension on it... so, not the chainring after all.. Thank god for that. Now I will have a go at tensioning it. I am using the old unit but I have been advised to buy a proper tensioner.
Samd
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Received a bearing today for a gearbox rebuild, AP8000173.
Inside the Aprilia pack was 6003NSE bearing. Nachi taiwan in this instance. Thought I'd record it here as it'd be cheaper via the local bearing shop next time...
Inside the Aprilia pack was 6003NSE bearing. Nachi taiwan in this instance. Thought I'd record it here as it'd be cheaper via the local bearing shop next time...
ikxdf
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tonyontopofabighill
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Hi ikxdf,
Welcome. We would love to see your video with all your changes. Can you tell me what model Rockshox front forks you used please. The bike looks great!
Cheers,
Tony.
Welcome. We would love to see your video with all your changes. Can you tell me what model Rockshox front forks you used please. The bike looks great!
Cheers,
Tony.
Samd
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That looks fantastic. I have been thinking of putting modern forks on mine and you have convinced me it is the right thing to do! Those steel front forks do let the original bike down.
What battery and controller are you running?
Cheers.
What battery and controller are you running?
Cheers.
ikxdf
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for the battery pack you can see it on video
Rock Shox xc28
Old and exhausted forks are extremely dangerous. I did a somersault in 45kmh braking sharply to avoid a car. With the new fork is impossible to happen again. Brakes, forks and tires are the best for safety.Samd said:
for the battery pack you can see it on video
tonyontopofabighill said:
Rock Shox xc28
ikxdf
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ah... I'm writing a blog with all the information regarding the 'Aprilia Enjoy. Describe any changes made, how to perform, history, information and much more.
Are only the first few pages but all will be described in detail, including the various types of batteries from me adopted, such as the article on the lead battery.
Unfortunately the site is italian ... if you want follow me this is the address:
http://aprilia-enjoy.blogspot.it/
Are only the first few pages but all will be described in detail, including the various types of batteries from me adopted, such as the article on the lead battery.
Unfortunately the site is italian ... if you want follow me this is the address:
http://aprilia-enjoy.blogspot.it/
Ken Taylor
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Thanks tonyontopofabighill for reporting your temperature sensor results. I interpret the data differently though. Over temperature will damage the insulation on the rotor windings so it is the rotor windings temperature that matters.
As it was more than 16 deg higher in the windings than at the sensor while the motor was running, the sensor needs to be closer to the windings but that can't be done.
Winding temperature will start to rise immediately but it is taking a while (too long) to conduct through the housing to the sensor.tonyontopofabighill said:
As soon as the motor is stopped the temperature of the windings starts to drop. The temperature at the sensor continues to rise as the heat flows from the windings through the housing. When the sensor gets to 86C the windings have already cooled from a higher temperature.tonyontopofabighill said:
As it was more than 16 deg higher in the windings than at the sensor while the motor was running, the sensor needs to be closer to the windings but that can't be done.
The windings were at least in the amber region at 86 degrees and we know they were higher but not how much higher. So the sensor data is not very useful.Samd said:
Ken Taylor
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Samd said:
It hasn't shown up yet, did it make the mail?
Samd
10 MW
Absolutely - should've been there weeks ago Ken, when I posted the pic of it. I'll dig out the tracking number - thats no good at all.
I'll also happily refund the money you sent for postage on it - seriously sorry and amazed to hear it didnt arrive!!!
I'll also happily refund the money you sent for postage on it - seriously sorry and amazed to hear it didnt arrive!!!
Ken Taylor
100 W
Post, particularly parcels, goes missing sometimes. A pity to lose it but don't worry about refunding post. Thanks for the effort of digging it out.Samd said:
Samd
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Nah i couldn't have that. Let me did thru the shed tonight - I ought to have another. Failing that I am about to rebuild the box on my main one and I'll happily extract it while inside. It's only adding weight.
I usually put the tear-off 'sender to keep' tag with the barcode number on the fridge in the shed. Looking at the photo I took for you when posting back on the 20th, the satchel in the background may be the older type without tracking. I hope not. Will know for sure when I get home tonight to check the fridge.
Cheers, and bugger.
I usually put the tear-off 'sender to keep' tag with the barcode number on the fridge in the shed. Looking at the photo I took for you when posting back on the 20th, the satchel in the background may be the older type without tracking. I hope not. Will know for sure when I get home tonight to check the fridge.
Cheers, and bugger.
Ken Taylor
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The snow picture is pretty.ikxdf said:
I see some discussion of forks.
tonyontopofabighill said:
tonyontopofabighill said:
I've been dissatisfied with the forks too. My motivation has been to improve the slug like performance under human power. One of the power sinks is the shocks which can't be locked out. The big tyres give a soft ride and I don't go mountain biking so I don't need a front suspension. To this end I've fitted a MOSSO 26" MTB Aluminium 7005 Straight Fork DISC+V Brake BLACK from ebay http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/150733195604#ht_1354wt_1037 . I measured it as 782 gms (advertised as 685g) which is a handy 1.2 kg less than the previous Top Gun forks. Aesthetically I'd prefer it to have less text, does it really need to proclaim "Best Materials" and "Best Structure"? It's not expensive.Samd said:
The Mosso fork fits the Aprilia Race without modification but the head stem is about 3mm longer. This just fitted with the existing head stem spacers but to be sure I'd recommend ordering an extra head stem spacer like this one http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Head-Stem-Spacer-1-1-8-x-5mm-x-35mm-Anodised-Black-/370476646623?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Parts&hash=item56422100df&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1288 . It could replace one of the existing 3 mm spacers. The Mosso fork moves the axle a few mm rearwards which increases the trail and makes the bike a bit more stable. This seems a slight improvement for my cautious riding style in limited testing thus far. I can ride no hands more confidently. The fork flexes noticeably on rough surfaces which is good for ride but I hope it doesn't fatigue the aluminium. It looks like this.
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