BMSBattery/ECityPower Experience

I might have the chance to visit their headquarters later this year or early next year. If so, I'll post ahead of time to figure out what members on ES wants to 'learn' while I'm there. I'm thinking of doing a video tour. I'm insanely curious what is on the other side of the computer screen. Is it just a couple chinese guys in their apartment with cupboards full of ebike parts? Do they have a huge amazon.com-esque warehouse to back up their "3,825 currently in stock" figures, etc.

I wonder the same thing about Ping. I'm half convinced its just him and his daughters cranking out awesome batteries in his kitchen.
 
Why do you guys keep buying from them? It seems more and more bad/odd reviews keep coming out.
 
Jason27 said:
Why do you guys keep buying from them? It seems more and more bad/odd reviews keep coming out.
This thread is a joke, not a bad review.
BMS Battery offers the best selection of controllers, geared motors and batteries at discount prices.
The lack of recourse is a concern and I have been shorted on orders. But overall, I'm more than happy with what I have received for the money spent.
 
Russell said:
It's called clever marketing.

I don't have any use for it but after reading their sales pitch I just had to have it!

-R

I know what you mean. Them telling me not to buy it almost makes me want to add it to my next order. Though I generally don't uses cases on my controllers due the reduced air flow. Black paint goes a long way towards hiding/de-uglifying a controller while still letting it breathe.

And of course the holes aren't water bottle boss spaced. That would make too much sense.
 
Its like buying a rubbish bin, I bought one with a flappy lid which broke, you cant complain because they did tell you it was a rubbish bin!!
 
Jason27 said:
Why do you guys keep buying from them? It seems more and more bad/odd reviews keep coming out.
They ship loads of stuff and complaints are very rare these days. Many of the problems in the past were because of misunderstandings what to order and how the stuff works. It's mainly a few people, who've never ordered anything in the last couple of years (if at all) stirring up hysteria. I'm up to 26 orders now. I would use them again and recommend them to anyone else. They have really nice controllers and batteries at very nice prices too.

mlt34 said:
I might have the chance to visit their headquarters later this year or early next year. If so, I'll post ahead of time to figure out what members on ES wants to 'learn' while I'm there. I'm thinking of doing a video tour. I'm insanely curious what is on the other side of the computer screen. Is it just a couple chinese guys in their apartment with cupboards full of ebike parts? Do they have a huge amazon.com-esque warehouse to back up their "3,825 currently in stock" figures, etc.


I had a chance to meet them because they had a stand at the last Shanghai bike show. Jack Xie was there plus about four or five others. They probably started a long time ago as one man selling from his bedroom, but from my order nos, I can see that they did 1500 orders in 2011 and 4000 orders in 2013. You couldn't manage that many from a bedroom.
 
d8veh said:
I had a chance to meet them because they had a stand at the last Shanghai bike show. Jack Xie was there plus about four or five others. They probably started a long time ago as one man selling from his bedroom, but from my order nos, I can see that they did 1500 orders in 2011 and 4000 orders in 2013. You couldn't manage that many from a bedroom.

Yea I was more sarcastic about the bottom extreme. Mostly because it fascinates me how we all do so much business with them, but whatever is on the other side of their website (the side we don't see) could be anything. It's like if you got all your groceries from your favorite store each week, but they came through a little drive through window and you never got to look inside to see what the store looks like… The curiosity kills me. I too have been creeping the order numbers - I've got about 20 orders myself, and have been very pleased to see their numbers shoot up like that. I think now its a little biased because they added the "extra shipping charge" item, which comes with its own order number, but either way they are doing well.

And I agree with your assessment of them wholeheartedly. In about 20 orders, the only two problems I have had are once they sent me a more expensive motor than I ordered (kind of annoying since it was a rear and I needed a front, but still worked out for me) and once a battery had a broken on/off switch. They sent me the new switch in my next order.

once a kit they sent got taken in customs and destroyed (long story) and so they sent me a new kit AT THEIR EXPENSE. And this was when I was a new customer, maybe after only 5 or 6 orders.
 
I wanted to share my experience regarding my recent order with BMS Battery. I ordered with some trepidation given the mixed reports in other posts. Briefly, my experienced was mixed but I would probably order (selectively) from them again.

The purpose of my order to BMSBattery was to convert my wife’s hybrid bike to a Eurospec pedalec so that my wife could accompany me on my rides – I’m a diehard roadie and usually average about 18 mph. My order included Bafang BPM motor mounted on a 26" wheel, a 36V15Ah Li-Ion in an aluminum case, an S06S controller, a bunch of small parts and some spare parts. The price of the parts came to $490. For shipping to the US by UPS, the web site quoted a shipping cost $281. The available selection from BMSBattery and the prices couldn't be touched anywhere else.

The items shipped in about two weeks after placing the order. Communications from BMS in the form of updates on the web site and e-mails were very good. A tracking number was provided once it shipped. Interestingly, the UPS shipment jumped around between numerous East Asia cities before going on to Anchorage and then Louisville where it went through customs. No extra shipping cost was assessed after the order was placed. A small duty was assessed by UPS upon delivery which was less than 3 weeks after placing the order.
Everything was delivered exactly as ordered. The packing was very quite good so nothing was damaged.

The motor and battery are great – I get a 50-mile range with minimal pedaling. However, the spokes were not tensioned at all adequately. After a long ride on a rough road, all of the spokes came completely loose. The S06S controller gave me issues, as is described in this blog. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=59785

Bottom line experience with BMSBattery:

1. Order placement, shipping, and shipping cost were actually quite smooth, not the horror story that some have reported.
2. BMS controllers are junk,
3. Other items were fine, except for the wheel build – need to tension the spokes. Quality of wheel and spokes are good. The spoke issued caused a big problem on a ride, but could have been avoided if I had been more observant.
4. Battery and charger seem fine.
5. I would probably order from them again, but will be more selective and will not order a controller from them.
 
Thanks two bowls worth for sharing.

I've been pretty nervous about the idea of ordering from BMSBattery, but they are the only place that sells Q100h hubs. The wheel building from these places seems like this with just about every pre-built ebike wheel from what I've read. The spokes are crap, and the wheel building isn't good, many would agree that you are probably better off rebuilding the wheel with butted spokes and a tough rim.

I had read your bit on the mosfet failure a while back, along with fellows. I was thinking that if I ever intended to purchase a S06S that I would just plan to replace the mosfets right off that bat with IRFB4110pfb mosfets or similar.
 
Yeah, the spokes are always loose, but I have always have had to dish the rear wheel to center it with Q100 motors anyhow.
Once tensioned up, the wheels are fine, I weight 260# and mine have held up fine. One can save quit a bit on shipping by going with the bare motor,
so that might be the best reason to lace your own.
BmS Battery has great controllers, only the SO6S is a weak sister. I wouldn't bother with it. I am using the S12S, but it is a little hot for the Cute.
I was hoping to limit the Amps, either in the Limiting feature, or the "Torque Imitation Mode"of assist. So far, no luck, but I am not using PAS and they may work in PAS. The S12S and SLCD-3 combo are awesome.
One rider uses a KU93 with one shunt cut, but that is only 11 Amps. I suspose one could then solder it up to 15 Amps or so.
If I was starting a mini-motor build from scratch, I would probably go with a Q100H rear and this controller;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321479310604&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160

not a sine-wave, but I think the q100 on 48 Volts and 17 Amps would have good performance and live at that level.

As a side note, I recently receieved a DNP free wheel(required for the H)for another build and it seems to be better quality that others I have used. Smoother and quiter, but still heavy.
 
The lacing is the only real problem I've seen from BMSbattery. Good prices, decent communication, actually good spokes and rim, they just don't lace them wheel. I always throw the wheels in a stand to correctly tension the spokes when I get them, or like motomech, sometimes save on shipping by foregoing the lacing all together and just do it myself from scratch when it arrives.
 
The S06S is not really big enough for the BPM. I'm not surprised it blew. Normally you'd need at least 9 FETs. What code number was the BPM? Was it the 350W or 500W version?
 
From another thread, he said it was a code 12.
 
You might have got away with it on a code 15, but the poor little controller would have been maxed out most of the time with a code 12. They're only rated at 250w, which is 7A at 36v. The 15A is the max that they can give for short periods. They can't give it continuously.
 
Bike-2WD mountain bike
Application-rear motor, Q100 CST fast wind(328) in 24" wheel.
First application was about 6 months ago, the little 6-FET SO6S @ 12S. Made it about a block when I heard it pop. It was documented here that the 36V SO6S couldn't take 48V and I should have known better. My bad.
Second try, another SO6S @ 11S(44V). Made it about 12 blocks this time :roll:
Third try, the huge 12-FET S12S @ 11S. All was well for about a week when I managed to freeze the display in the "source" mode while trying to program the quirky SLCD-3 display. After a week trying to get out of "source" mode, I by-passed the display by jumping the pins. Toward the end of a long ride it when dead.
Now I understand that a "fast" wind motor in a larger wheel can be a little hard on the controller, but this ride was completely flat.

What I liked about the BMS Battery sine-wave controller\SLCD-3 combo;

Mated with the Q100, this system was dead silent and very smooth(S12S).
The display is attractive and supplies lot's of info.

What I didn't like;
SO6S;
Will not live with any over-Volting, it's low-power only.
S12S;
Larger than it needs to be.
When used without display, mine defaulted in a lower power assist level. Guessing here, but I think it was level 2.

SLCD-3 Display;
The mounting brackets are VERY fragile. Both loops that secure the "button" module to the handlebar broke off.
With the 5-level assist mode, the "Torque Imitation Mode"(current limiting) only works W\ PAS. For throttle only applications, it's speed limiting only.
Programming or changing parameters requires much scrolling, some of it with rather awkward finger manipulation.
Never could read Voltage correctly for 11S or 12S. The "battery gauge" was all over the place, reguardless of the "damping" setting. Although the one time I hit LVC, it was right on. 40V with 11S.

Bottom line-Unless you are planning to use PAS, I think these fragile controllers are more trouble than they are worth.
Just my observations, your results may vary.

My solution- I took one on my controllers off my trail bike. This one from Elifebike;

http://elifebike.com/peng/iview.asp?KeyID=dtpic-2014-3K-SAUG.5TSEX

For a 17A, 9-FET controller, it's a little large as well. But at least it's short, the most important diamension for my application.
Not dead silent, it is quieter than my Infinern\Grin 20A, I guess about 3 Amps quieter :lol:
Smooth, but it should be @ 17 Amps @ 11S.
Although I have not hit it, it has a very useful LVC of 41V(the site description states it's 42V, but the sticker on the controller says 41V).
I am using it with the simple 3-speed assist LED810 display and although I am giving up some features. the 3-speed is enough. On 11S, the second "gear" tops out around 18 mph. perfect for me.
The cruise works well, but engages a little fast(after about 5 seconds).
This controller and it's 500 Watt brother are often available on Ebay for $40 shipped, saving on shipping if it's all that is to be ordered.

Overall, this controller matches the Q100 better than the S12S. I think the 19A version would be fun to try with the Q100H.
Recommended.
 
motomech said:
With the 5-level assist mode, the "Torque Imitation Mode"(current limiting) only works W\ PAS. For throttle only applications, it's speed limiting only.

Never could read Voltage correctly for 11S or 12S. The "battery gauge" was all over the place, reguardless of the "damping" setting. Although the one time I hit LVC, it was right on. 40V with 11S.

Sorry to hear of your problems moto.
I quite like the idea that you can be using low levels of pedal assist, but still get full power with a twist of the throttle to avoid danger.

11s and 12s won't work, as it wants 36 or 48v. Damping the gauges swing doesn't change this.
 
I do agree with you that the new S12S controller is larger than it needs to be. I had an earlier model which was much smaller. So when I purchased a new one to use with the LCD3, I swapped the cases...There is no difference to the size of the electronics.

Regarding the LCD3 display, the plastic mount does seem a little flexible. But once it's mounted, you don't have to press on it or touch it, because the button is mounted remotely near the grip. The button mount seems quite solid.

Sorry you had so many issues. I've had nothing but good fortune from mine.
 
The s12s is a monster. My first was a reasonable size, but the second has stopped a build. I think I will be sawing some of the17mm excess off each end. They seem to of forgotten how precious space is on a bicycle.

Well I was trying to post a pic, but my network and hotmail fall out regularly. When it comes I will update
 
friendly1uk said:
The s12s is a monster. My first was a reasonable size, but the second has stopped a build. I think I will be sawing some of the17mm excess off each end. They seem to of forgotten how precious space is on a bicycle.

Well I was trying to post a pic, but my network and hotmail fall out regularly. When it comes I will update

If you still have the old one, you can just swap the internals. You will have to change the heat sink (because the are drilled differently for the two cases), and work the connectors out of the metal ends...But it can be done.
 
A new case is a strong possibility. I hoped a ku93'ish might be a good donor but the published dimensions are a tad different. The first s12s isn't broke, it's waiting for another job. A quick ebay search produced nothing promising so it's time to hack it up or pass it on.

Thanks
 
I had good luck ordering a battery from BMSbattery. Two of my friends have ordered and one had good luck as well. The other one placed his order right around the Chinese new year and they didn't process it. They didn't take his money, it just took him a long time to actually get his order in.

Also one charger went bad right away and they quickly replaced it.
 
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