Boeing Dreamliner Battery Fire

FAA approves Boeing's new 787 battery design

Regulators on Friday approved a revamped battery system for Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, a crucial step in returning the high-tech jet to service after it was grounded in January because the plane's lithium-ion batteries overheated.


The Federal Aviation Administration said it had approved a package of detailed design changes, a move that allows Boeing to issue a service bulletin and make repairs to the fleet of 50 planes owned by eight airlines around the world. Other global regulators also must approve Boeing's new design but were expected to act quickly once the FAA gave its blessing.

The FAA action all but ends a grounding that has cost Boeing an estimated $600 million, halted deliveries and forced some airlines to lease alternative aircraft. Several airlines have said they will seek compensation from Boeing, potentially adding to the plane maker's losses.

Reaction in the industry was swift and joyous.

"We're back in business, baby!" tweeted the Washington Aerospace Partnership, a group of business, labor and local government leaders supportive of Boeing.

The FAA said that next week it will tell airlines what changes to make and will publish a directive that "will allow the 787 to return to service with the battery system modifications."

The directive takes effect when it is published, the agency said.

Much of the design change already is well-known, thanks to Boeing's detailed descriptions of the system to customers, legislators and media.

Before the planes can fly, they must be fitted with a "containment and venting" system for both the two lithium-ion batteries on the 787, the FAA said. That includes a stainless-steel enclosure to prevent heat, fumes or fire from spreading if a battery overheats in flight.

Batteries and battery chargers must also be replaced with different components, the FAA said.

Boeing teams around the globe were ready to quickly repair the jets. The company also has been conducting regular flights of the 787 to test it before delivery, a process that will speed the process of getting 787s to customers that have been waiting while the plane was grounded.

In approving the change, the FAA is indicating that it believes Boeing's fix is adequate to address the risk of fire on the plane. However, the National Transportation Safety Board continues to investigate what caused a battery to catch fire on a Japan Airlines plane that was parked at the airport in Boston.

The NTSB, the top U.S. transportation investigator, is holding a two-day investigative hearing next week to help it get to the bottom of what caused the fire.

Boeing has said its redesign addresses more than 80 potential causes of fire, and therefore is more rigorous than if a single cause had been found.

On Friday, the NTSB said it would call senior FAA and Boeing officials to testify at the hearing. The agency also is calling officials from Thales SA, the French company that makes the battery system, and GS Yuasa Corp, the Japanese company that made the actual battery.

Among those included: Dorenda Baker, the director of the FAA's aircraft certification service, and Ali Bahrami, the manager of the FAA's transport airplane directorate and head of the Seattle FAA office, which has close connections with Boeing's factories in Washington state.

The NTSB also will call Mike Sinnett, Boeing's chief 787 project engineer, who has been the front-man for Dreamliner engineering questions throughout the grounding.

Not like we didn't see this coming... but maybe now we can get back to the business of flying?

~KF
 
Fasten Seatbelt / No Smoking
Remember, they brought you the 737 jackshaft disaster off the CalI coast a few years ago. The legacy continues, and passengers will most likely receive another shafting. :x
 
The fingers said:
Fasten Seatbelt / No Smoking
Remember, they brought you the 737 jackshaft disaster off the CalI coast a few years ago. The legacy continues, and passengers will most likely receive another shafting. :x

If you are referring to Alaska Airlines Flight 261, that was in 2000, was a McDonnell Douglas MD-83 (nee DC-9), and was caused by improper maintenance of the stabilizer trim jackscrew by Alaska Airlines. Or did you have some other "737 jackshaft disaster" in mind?
 
Two stories - both positive...

FAA order formally lifts Boeing 787 grounding

AP said:
WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators are telling airlines they can fly Boeing's 787 Dreamliners again as soon as they replace its problematic lithium ion batteries with a revamped battery system.

A Federal Aviation Administration safety order posted online Thursday applies to all U.S. airlines, but only one airline -- United -- currently has 787s in their fleet. They have six. The FAA estimated the repair costs for those planes at $2.8 million.

The planes have been grounded since mid-January, following a battery fire on a 787 parked at Boston's Logan International Airport, and a smoking battery that led to an emergency landing by another 787 in Japan.

There are 50 of the planes in service worldwide, but Boeing has purchase orders 840 more planes. Newly delivered will come with the revamped system.

Japan transport minister: Government to issue permit to resume Boeing 787 flights

Reuters said:
Japan's transportation minister said on Friday the government will issue a technical directive on Friday that would permit Boeing Co (BA.N) to resume flights of its grounded 787 Dreamliner jets.

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration gave formal approval on Thursday for a new lithium-ion battery system for Boeing's Dreamliner, ending a three-month ban and clearing airlines to fly the plane with passengers again.

Now if Boeing can just figure out what went wrong...
~KF
 
Boeing Dreamliners back in the air after lengthy grounding

We sort of knew this already, but here is the latest news...

After 123 days being grounded and then repaired to ensure its battery systems do not catch fire, Boeing 787 Dreamliners are about to once again make commercial flight in the United States. A United Airlines 787 will fly from Houston to Chicago Monday morning carrying more than 250 passengers including the CEO's of United and Boeing.

Given the massive amount negative publicity, including video of one Dreamliner with smoke drifting out of it in January, there are many wondering if people will be afraid to fly the plane.

"There may be some who are concerned about flying on the 787, but I think they are far and few in between," said Henry Harteveldt, airline analyst with Hudson Crossing. "It is a great airplane. It has a lot of passenger pleasing features so there are a lot of people who will be looking for it."

The United 787 has a new battery system that includes greater space between battery cells to prevent them from catching fire. If the re-designed battery does catch on fire, it is now encased in steel box to prevent the fire from spreading. There is also ventilation leading from the steel box to outside the Dreamliner so any smoke from a fire goes outside the 787 and not into the cabin.

United's Costly 787 Wait
For United Airlines, the FAA grounding the 787 on January 17th created a costly headache for the airline. The airline had six Dreamliners it immediately pulled from its schedule.

The impact included the airline taking an $11 million charge in the first quarter due to lost revenue. Instead of flying the 787 on flights between Shanghai and Los Angeles, the carrier had to fly more costly 777 planes. United also had to postpone start of service between Denver and Tokyo.

But more than that, the 787 grounding erased any marketing edge United had over other U.S. carriers who will not fly the Dreamliner for years. For months leading up to taking delivery of its first 787 late last year United ran promotional videos at the start if every flight touting the Dreamliner as a plane that would transform the flying experience.

In every one of those videos CEO Jeff Smisek talked about how he couldn't wait for United customers to enjoy flying in a 787. After the grounding, Smisek was left answering reporter and analyst questions about whether he still had confidence in the plane. To his credit, Smisek never changed his tune.

We'll never know how much of a true game changer a problem free launch of the 787 would have been for United in terms of marketing appeal. Given the grounding and negative publicity, it won't be surprising if the airline shelves any marketing plans it once had to play up the fact it is flying the 787 long before other U.S. carriers.

Boeing Ramps Up 787 Production
While Boeing CEO Jim McNerney is flying on the first United commercial flight since the FAA lifted the 787 grounding, his company is quickly ramping up production of the plane.

Between the company's two final assembly plants in Everett, Washington and Charleston, South Carolina Boeing is now building seven Dreamliners a month. Officially, the company says it will deliver at least 60 787 planes this year, but many analysts on Wall Street are now discussing the possibility of Boeing exceeding that number.

While there were teams of Boeing engineers working on a fix for the 787 between mid-January and late April the company never stopped building Dreamliners. As they rolled off the line, Boeing parked them on the tarmac and waited for the official fix to be approved so they could retro fit those 787s with the new battery system.

The increased production, along with the bull market, has driven investors to once again fall in love with shares of the Dow component. The stock is up more than 35% since the darkest days right after the grounding when some wondered how damaging the battery investigation would be for the plane maker. What's more, for the first time since 2007, BA shares are poised to fly north of $100.

Is the 787 Still a Draw?
When United made its first commercial Dreamliner flight, the plane was filled with United executives, journalists and numerous aviation geeks who made it a point to be on the first 787 flight. It was a festive atmosphere with many of those paying passengers talking about how long they had waited for the chance to fly the new plane.

Will that same enthusiasm surround the Dreamliner as more of them enter service? Harteveldt thinks so. "For frequent travelers I think they are actually looking forward to the Dreamliner returning," he said.

As for whether the problems of the past will scare some passengers into taking a different plane, Harteveldt and others believe that is unlikely to happen.

"I don't think that people would be afraid of it," said Harteveldt.

~KF
 
Boeing expects 787 battery retrofits done by next week

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Reuters said:
Boeing Co (BA.N) is 90 percent finished with retrofits of the battery system on its 787 Dreamliner and should finish the rest by next week, Ray Conner, president of the company's commercial airplane division, told an investor conference on Wednesday.

Conner told the conference he saw "great momentum" on the 787 program, after overheated batteries prompted a fleetwide grounding earlier this year.

Production of the new airliner had reached seven airplanes a month and was on track to reach the projected level of 10 per month by the end of the year, Conner said.

Overall, he said the company expected to hit its target of producing 60 Dreamliners by the end of the year.

He said earlier problems with the supply chain had been resolved and the airplane's supply chain was now healthy, Conner said.

"We are turning the corner," Conner said.

Do we still care? KF
 
Do we still care? KF
I would only if I were going to fly on one inthe near future. :shock:
otherDoc
 
Boeing, FAA reveal lessons learned on 787

Seven weeks after Boeing's 787 was cleared to resume passenger flights, the jet's troubles continue to prompt questions about the federal certification process.

The Federal Aviation Administration's grounding of the 787 back in January "raises legitimate questions for the flying public about whether the certification process with the 787 worked as well as it should have," Rep. Rick Larsen, D-Wash., said Wednesday.

The FAA grounded Boeing's newest jet in January after lithium ion batteries failed on two 787s. The agency approved a redesigned battery system and gave the OK to return the 787 to flight in April.

On Wednesday, Larsen and other members of the House Aviation Subcommittee wanted to know what Boeing and the FAA learned from the 787's troubles.

Margaret Gilligan, an associate administrator with the FAA, told lawmakers at a Washington, D.C., hearing that the agency's certification process is "really quite robust."

However, the FAA now sees ways to improve the testing process for lithium ion batteries used in aviation, she said.

As a result of the incidents with the 787's batteries, the FAA plans to more closely monitor communication between suppliers and jetmakers like Boeing during the certification process, Gilligan said.

The 787's lithium ion battery is built by GS Yuasa. The Japanese company sells the batteries to France's Thales, which in turn supplies the battery system to Boeing.

The FAA is continuing its own comprehensive review of the 787 and the certification process. FAA Administrator Michael Huerta announced that review after the first 787 incident in January. The review is likely to be completed this summer, Gilligan said.

The National Transportation Safety Board is still investigating the initial 787 battery fire aboard a Japan Airlines 787 parked at Boston's Logan International Airport. The NTSB has not determined the cause of the battery failure.

Mike Sinnett, Boeing's chief engineer on the 787 program, told lawmakers the two battery incidents demonstrate the effectiveness of the design process.

The 787's redundant safety features "prevented the battery failures from putting the airplane, its passengers or crew in jeopardy," Sinnett said.

Boeing, however, found ways to improve the battery system on the 787, he said.

Sinnett was less enthusiastic about making the battery testing process used to certify the 787's redesigned system the new standard. That testing process would be "overly conservative" and test the battery beyond what it would ever experience in flight, he said.

Both Boeing and FAA officials said they benefited from bringing in battery experts from outside the field of aviation to resolve the 787's battery problems. That's a step the FAA likely will duplicate in certifying new technology in the future, Gilligan said.

Wednesday's hearing on the 787 is one of several federal public inquiries. The NTSB previously held a two-day forum on lithium ion batteries in aviation. The NTSB also examined the certification process and 787 battery incidents in a two-day hearing in April. The U.S. Senate Transportation Committee also held a hearing on aviation safety in April.

After returning the 787 to commercial flight, Boeing delivered seven new 787s to airlines last month. The Chicago-based company will feature two 787s at the Paris Air Show next week.

A little bit more information on the subject. The link at the end was more interesting, albeit older news. Still, I wouldn't want to be an worker in that supply chain.

Walking to my next destination... the coffee pot. KF
 
Sinnett was less enthusiastic about making the battery testing process used to certify the 787's redesigned system the new standard. That testing process would be "overly conservative" and test the battery beyond what it would ever experience in flight, he said.
I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing. :?
 
We care because this will become the system on ALL new airliners, maybe some retrofits, at least for awhile. Yeah, testing overkill is supposed to insure you've prepared for scenarios you haven't been able to imagine just yet. Why would it be a bad thing to be too safe?
 
After reading the link about the 2 day lithium forum, I'm disappointed but not surprised. It seems the world assumes all lithium batteries are cobalt. Never read a discussion from the press related to the dreamliner about various lithium chemistries. LIfePO4 can deliver the power needed by the dreamliner much safer. The attributes are better with cobalt. Except thermal runaway. Use the second best battery, get what you need and avoid the danger.
 
Boeing CEO: 'Highly confident' in new 787 batteries

(quoted from video)

NBCNEWS said:
Video: CNBC's Phil LeBeau, and James McNerney, Boeing chairman, president & CEO, discuss the fierce competition between Boeing and Airbus for orders at the Paris Air Show, as industry leaders make billion dollar bets on the next best aircraft.

The Federal Aviation Administration did "everything right" in dealing with battery issues that grounded Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner for months, the aircraft maker's chairman and CEO James McNerney told CNBC on Monday from the Paris Air Show.

He told CNBC that he's "highly confident" in the overhauled lithium-ion batteries. "We re-examined the technology as we learned more," he said. "We have a very robust fix and a next generation battery system that, I think, will serve this airplane well for the future and other generations of airlines."

In January, the FAA launched its review of the 787s' lithium-ion batteries after one caught fire in a parked Dreamliner in Boston that month. A second battery overheated and smoked during a flight in Japan about a week later—prompting regulators to ground the worldwide fleet for four months, while Boeing altered and recertified the battery system. The 787s returned to service last month.

The battery problem has not affected Boeing's delivery guidance of at least 60 of the big planes this year, McNerney added. "[It] will not impact our delivery stream because we kept producing as we went through the fix." There could be some upside to that forecast, he said.

"We [also] have a product line that is unsurpassed. We've got more choice in the wide-body space," he said, referring to, what he believes is the value-proposition of Boeing over its rival Airbus of Europe.

But Carter Copeland, aerospace and defense analyst at Barclays Capital, told CNBC from Paris Monday that "From an investors' perspective, both companies could actually produce sufficient numbers of airplanes ... to make a lot of money."

McNerney furthered his case: "We have more new technology embedded in all the offerings. All the pain and suffering from the 787—all those technologies are now moving to the 777, are moving to the next generation derivatives of the 787."

One of those Dreamliner derivatives is the 787-10X—the largest version of the aircraft. "Demand is very strong" for that yet-to-be-released the jet, McNerney said. "You won't have too long to wait" for its roll-out.

GECAS, the aircraft leasing arm of General Electric, has committed to buying 10 of the 787-10X models. GECAS said it would take delivery of the aircraft, valued at $2.9 billion based on list prices, between 2019 and 2021.

These big orders aside, McNerney said, "We're responding to a marketplace that is a more-for-less world. ... There's a fair amount of pressure."

The defense and aerospace side is being affected by the troubled "finances of most developed countries around the world," he said. "[It's] a slow-growth economy on the commercial side."

Meanwhile, with oil prices creeping higher again, McNerney said, "I think most airlines and most industrial concerns are sized for $100 to $120" a barrel crude. But, he said, "you get to a point where the economy is ruined" by spiking energy costs. "Who knows where that is: $150 [a barrel oil], $160? I don't know."

A little of this n' that... not much beef.
~KF
 
Anyone flying anywhere this season? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I was thinking of a trip down unda. . . . .

I think ECoast to OZland is about 2K Grande. . . speaking of which, the Grande Prix is hitting my streets. Again. This is their 3rd attempt to get some kind of fanbase. :roll:

Personally, my personal Mecha destination would be the streets of Vietnam. Monsoon season of course! ! !
 
melodious said:
Anyone flying anywhere this season? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I was thinking of a trip down unda. . . . .

I think ECoast to OZland is about 2K Grande. . .! !

well, i will be tripping over to Chicago in October from "down unda" .. and yes, $2k is about the rate.
Note:- avoid the United flight option,...old 747's with crap inflight entertainment. :wink:
..or maybe that will be one of the first routes to get the "Dreamliner" ??
 
Boeing stocks dive after 787 fire at Heathrow
(AFP) – 54 minutes ago


NEW YORK — Boeing stocks plunged nearly 5 percent on Friday after a fire and a "technical issue" on separate 787 Dreamliners in Britain stoked fresh safety concerns about the new high-tech jetliner.

Dow member Boeing's shares closed 4.7 percent lower at $101.87 in New York, clawing back from a dive of more than 7 percent.

Investor confidence was hammered after a Boeing 787 owned by Ethiopian Airlines caught fire while parked at London's Heathrow airport on Friday.

The fire forced Heathrow, the world's busiest international passenger air hub, to shut down for 90 minutes, but caused no injuries.

A Boeing spokesman said the US firm had personnel on the ground at the airport west of London and was "working to fully understand and address this."

In a separate incident, a Florida-bound Boeing 787 owned by Thomson Airways had to return to Manchester Airport in northwest England after take-off.

Thomson said the flight was turned back as a precautionary measure because of a "technical issue."

The US Federal Aviation Administration said it was aware of the Heathrow fire. "We are in contact with Boeing as they assess the incident," a spokeswoman said.

The incidents were the latest in a series of problems with the cutting-edge Boeing 787, which entered service in September 2011 after three years of production delays.

All 50 787s in service worldwide in January were grounded for about three months due to overheating in its lightweight lithium-ion batteries.

The grounding came after a battery fire on a parked 787 in Boston and, days later, a battery smoke incident that forced an emergency landing in Japan.

Aviation regulators lifted the 787 grounding in late April after approving a Boeing battery fix.

There was no information yet on what caused the fire in the Ethiopian Airways aircraft.

Copyright © 2013 AFP. All rights reserved.
 
From the Seattle Times:

787 fire at Heathrow puts plane back in spotlight

Location of the fire damage shown in news photos suggests it was far from the lithium-ion batteries that caused a lengthy grounding of the Boeing airplane, according to two analysts.

...

News photos showed damage on the outside top of the upper fuselage, just in front of the tail.

Based on that location, aviation analyst Scott Hamilton said the fire doesn’t appear to be related to battery malfunction.

Hamilton said he suspects the fire wasn’t caused by a faulty battery, which is down in the cargo bay area of the plane.

“What it doesn’t look like is that it’s a battery, and that’s the important part,” said Hamilton, an aviation analyst at Leeham News in Issaquah. With all the issues that have plagued the 787 Dreamliner recently, if it were battery-related, “that would almost certainly put the plane back on the ground again.”

Analyst Douglas Harned of Bernstein Research had a similar initial take. “Our assumption at this time is that there is no connection between the fire and the battery issues of the past.”

In an note to investors, Harned wrote that fire damage appears to be near the vertical stabilizer, on the left side of the top of the airplane. “This area is above the crew rest area and should have very little connection to electrical systems,” his note said.

“Most importantly, the two key lithium ion batteries are far away from the location of the fire,” he continued.

“Furthermore, if there had been a fire in one of the batteries, this should have been contained by the new casing and, most importantly, smoke would have been vented outside of the airplane. We have heard no evidence of such smoke.”

And one of the comments by readers says:

Batteries are located in the front of the plane...fire was near the tail end.

Bummer either way. KF
 
Right now would be the time to stock up on Boeing stock. Much too strong a company for a fire on the plane to do this. An 'Investor Pressure' moment that you can cash in on.

Not that it's a recommendation to buy, there's some stigma to doing that.
 
The 787 relies heavily on electric actuators instead of hydraulics. This means there is a lot more high power wiring in the plane compared to the older hydraulic systems. Don't those guys know what fuses are?
 
Maybe blown fuses causes planes to fall out of the sky but the smell of melted plastic and smoke gives you just enough time to land before everything goes up in flames :p
But yeah, considering the other sophisticated stuff onboard surely they could do a better job at preventing or monitoring this...
 
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