Build your own CD battery tab welder for about $100.00+-

This is the one have and well I'd say that should be more than sufficient and there are two inside just in case you fry one :p. BTW they accepted a $15 dollar best offer from me :D give it a try. it's a nice module and the spec sheet is readily available. Can handle 250A/ms rise and can handle well a peak current of 7500A to 8500A depending on temperature. I dun think you'll fry this thing ever if you set it up right. and with two you could build a dual pulse welder LOL.
Good luck
terramir



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Here's my tab welder...

21F Total (4 capcitors wired in parallel)
210A 210V SCR ($50 on ebay)
Yamaha Foot Pedal
Pyramid 15v 25A Lab Power Supply

Welding A123 Cells with Nickel Clad Stainless Steel Ribbon: Great welds on NEG terminal, OK welds on POS terminal, good enough if packs are handled carefully and never dropped or suffer hard impacts.
 

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Anyone confirm what is needed for A123s???
 
Hello friends, I was reading this whole thread and based on my humble electronics knowledge I may comment about some posts;
I am totally new at this forum, and I don't want to contradict anyone in here, my mere intention is to bring some light over the project, and try to make it better.

Reading the datasheet of the SCR SCS230S, I verified that this SCR needs between 100 and 120mA at the gate, with a maximum of 3V between Cathode and Gate. The polarity of such trigger current is (+) positive to the gate in reference to the Cathode. I've seen some drawings on posts with this polarity reversed.

I also want to detail a little bit about the fact that once you trigger the SCR gate, it is self-driven. You don't need to pull a big current at the gate for a fast trigger, even a small current (within the datasheet requirements) will create the self-driven effect. The SCR will supply itself with the necessary current at the gate to self-sustain, until the current is zero (short circuit across Anode & Cathode or an interruption of the current.

Why am I saying this? Because in some posts I saw some circuits prepared to supply a large current (5W resistors in the gate), 8Ω resistors, etc. That is not the issue. You need to supply from 100 to 120mA, no more than 4V between Cathode and Gate (+).

I also saw some posts with relays DPDT and transistors to trigger the SCR, the transistor is not really necessary.

The following design should do a good job, with indicator LEDs presenting the contraption status.


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Power Supply can be adjusted or just a power transformer supplying 12-13 VAC 3-5A, rectified by diodes (5A) and feeding the common side of the contacts of the relay. The relay can be any 12-14Vdc coil, automotive relays may be used, however any chosen should stand contact minimum constant current of 5A.

The relay contacts should be SPDT style (Single Pole, Dual Toggle). The normal-closed position will be routed to feed the hungry capacitors side (up side of the drawing), and a tricky 25W car lamp 12V is used between the relay NC and the Capacitors. This lamp (break lamp?) usage in the circuit is to protect the power supply during the very large inrush current the hungry discharged capacitors will suck from it. The lamp will smooth the capacitors charge current.

After a spot welding, the capacitors are discharged and the relay contact returns to NC, the charging current will be huge, since the capacitors offers literally a short circuit. So the lamp will lit bright and the maximum current from the power supply will be 2A (25W / 12V). You may add another lamp in parallel with the first one to double the charging current and shortening the charging time, but be sure the power supply can stand this double current. After the capacitors charge few volts, the lamp will start to dim off, until the capacitors are fully loaded, lamp will be off. You can observe the actual capacitors charging current by the lamp brightness.

Due the DZ1 (9V Zener diode), the Green LED will only lit after the capacitors reach more than 12 to 13Vdc. Green Leds usually lit with more than 3.5 to 4Vdc, plus the 9V zener diode voltage, it requires around 13V to lit the LED. The Green Indicator tells you the Capacitors are really holding a very spike charge.

The Relay Coil is connected along with the capacitors. Using a 12 to 16Vdc relay coil, it will only switch its contact after certain voltage, lets say 8 to 10Vdc, it helps in some way (without more electronics involved) to avoid a false triggering of the SCR with capacitors not yet fully loaded, or in this case, less than 70 to 80% of the charge. Also, the Relay coil holds an inverted Diode in parallel, it may be any 1N4001, 4002, 4007 diode, its function is to protect the coil and the "Weld" switch from spikes caused by Inverted Voltage generated by the relay coil magnetic field collapsing. The "Weld" switch can be anything, considering it will stand the relay coil current.

At the other side of the relay contacts (NO) there is a Red LED and a 1kΩ resistor. This is the WELDING CONTROL ON indicator at the panel (you don't need it, but it can be used). The R1 (39Ω) feeds 14Vdc to the SCR Gate filtering network. The current that crossed R1 will go forward via the 100µF in parallel with the R2 (2kΩ), and rush to ground via Dz2 (3.9V) Zener diode. The Zener will cut any extra voltage, and keep 3.9Vdc that is directly fed to the SCR gate, triggering it for the huge welding current. The 100nF capacitor and the R3 (10kΩ) have the job to keep the SCR gate quiet and free or noises, it is always a good practice to do it, avoiding strange happenings. During the first milliseconds of the relay switched to NO position, the current via R1 will be around 250mA, it will be charging the 100µF capacitor in around 5ms, but at this time the SCR will be already triggered. When the 100µF capacitor is already charged, current will only flows via the R2 2kΩ resistor, it will be very small, and the main function of this resistor is to discharge the 100µF capacitor as soon you release the "WELD" button. It will take around 200ms for the discharge, so, it is fast enough for your next welding. You will need to wait the large caps to charge anyway.

If you don't want to use all the components, you may cut off the Green Led, 150Ω and Dz1, also the Red LED and 1kΩ resistor. You may decide not to use the 100µF capacitor and R2, but then you need to change R1 from 39Ω to 100Ω and it will need to be a 2W resistor, it will warm when you press the "WELD" switch, this is avoided by the use of the 100µF capacitor.

The Dz2 Zener diode needs to be of 0.5W. All other non specified resistors are of ½W, Dz1 can be of 1/4W.

The violet heavy lines around the 4 huge caps and the SCR is the amazing copper heavy bars able to stand the huge peak of current the welding produces.

If after releasing the "WELD" button the LAMP lit bright and doesn't dim off, it means the SCR still conducting, and it may tell you that something is wrong, or the welding was very bad and the capacitors didn't fully discharge, or you released the "WELD" button before the welding current fully discharge the caps (I doubt it), or something else is wrong with the circuit.

The fact that the relay coil is connected to the huge capacitors instead of directly to the 14Vdc supplied by the power source, means that the relay coil will no longer hold the contacts in NO position after the capacitors discharge via the welding procedure. Your finger pressing the "WELD" button may still after the relay turns off, but the relay will not turns on again, since the 25W lamp doesn't allow enough voltage to the coil to energize. If a repeating relay energizing happens, requiring you to remove your finger fast from the "WELD" switch, just insert two or three diodes 1N400x in series with the 'WELDING" switch wire to the relay coil, cathode to the ground direction (toward the switch). It will require the huge caps to acquire more voltage before the relay attempts to attracts again. Other solution is using a relay that requires few Volts more to attracts.

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This circuit uses the SCR Cathode tied to ground, negative side of the capacitors. The main idea (and the only one really recommended) is to avoid the SCR to have any positive charge on the Anode until the welding rods are in place, contacting the welding metals. Until that, the SCR will not be able to keep conducting anything, so even if you press the "WELD" button before you position the welding rods, the SCR will not enter in conduction, you will need to press the "WELD" button again. Other than that, the 3-4V necessary to trigger the SCR must be in reference to the cathode. If you use the "wrong" setup as I saw in some posts, with the SCR Anode constantly connected to the positive of the Capacitors, and the Cathode leading to one of the welding rods, may damage the SCR by the jump in voltage between the welding metals, that will comes back to the SCR Cathode and Gate.

Last thing: I saw several metals with welding tests, and I can't define if both welding rods are being connected to the metal welding strip, or if one rod is being contacting the battery metal part and the other rod contacting the welding strip. Anyway can be done, but talking to the welding people around, they say the correct is both rods contacting the welding strip, never the battery. The reason for that; if the welding went bad, a hole can be done on the surface of the metal where the rods are contacting, in this case, you may damage the battery. Also, according to them, different metals (battery and welding strip) can require you to select which rod you will touch battery or welding strip. I am talking about polarity and electric current direction. This direction of current may move melted metal from battery to the welding strip or vice-versa. You will never want to move metal FROM the battery, it may create a weakness in the battery body at such point, you don't want that.

Of course the design can be upgraded to have a welding current indicator. It might be a simply few coils of wire around one of the rods tick wire, leading to a diode and capacitor, and a voltmeter indicator showing how much this "poor's man current meter" could receive. Few adjustments on such thing can make it a very good indicator to learn how to do a perfect welding. You can use it to learn how much pressure on the rods, etc, based on the feedback of such current indicator.

wagnerlip
 
Question.

you only show a capacitor bank of a couple thousand micro-farads. most experimenters are looking at 100"s of thousands if not millions of micro-farads. or was that a misprint?

Question 2.

using 1Farad i could make half decent welds at 10V. most commercial units can be adjusted as low as 6V. any easy way of getting this to work as low as 6V?

rick
 
Wagnerlip,

I'm afraid you absolutely do need a high initial gate current for these big SCRs. Their turn-on time is highly dependent on the initial gate current and a slow turn on just blows the SCR (guess how I found this out.............). A look at the data sheet and some high power SCR application notes will soon confirm this.

My welder started out with a low (~50-100mA) initial gate current and it quickly blew the SCR. I switched to a much higher initial gate current and it's now done thousands of welds with no problems.

Remember that we are using very large, low ESR, capacitors here (I have 15 off, 97,000uF, 20V capacitors in mine - 1.455 F in total) with peak discharge currents of thousands of amps. Most of the current is delivered in the first couple of milliseconds, hence the vital importance of having a very rapid SCR turn on time. You cannot rely on the normal SCR cascade effect to turn the device hard on - it's far too slow.

Jeremy
 
Rick, the capacitor bank is rated in mF, not µF, so 4 x 500mf or 1000mF equals to 2 or 4F. I know that lots of people write mF as meaning microFarads, I already saw it even stamped over some AC capacitors for motors... the same way I use to find "K" (capital k) for kilo, and sometimes mHZ instead MHz, arg!

Jeremy, as you state it should be correct. A high charging rush current into the gate is necessary for a very high speed turn on of such SCR. The only problem I see is the fast charge might create an uncontrollable higher voltage at the gate at the end of the charge, and it might open a rupture at the SCR gate junction. A voltage limiter may be necessary to ensure years of continuous work of such device.

Even so, lots of designs still working, despite few "out-of-spec maximum ratings" we use to do.

Jeremy, I am inclined to build such a contraption for occasional spot welding in Nickel tabs in batteries and other small electric / electronic parts. Last time I visited a professional spot welding machine for small batteries, I see an operation that makes me thing even today. The machine first apply a medium current (several amps) through the rods and the nickel strip. For less than 200ms (I guess) all the contacts glows red, and only then a large capacitor charge is released, you can even hear the large current jolt flowing through the heavy cables. It seems that with a hot metal, spot welding is easier to be completed, it seems that even not so large capacitor charge can transfer hot metal one to another. The result of such spot welding is clean, you don't see dark or burnt on top of the nickel tabs, just a little change in color, and the weld is very strong. It also seems that when the nickel warms up, the pressing welding rods can accommodate better the hot metal over the battery metal for a much better electric contact and then the welding process makes easier.

It seems that the same power transformer that feeds the caps, can supply a low voltage (2V or less) high current, via MosFET transistors to heats up the nickel strip, then the transistors cut out such current and the jolt of very high current from the caps are discharged over the welding spot.

I already saw a youtube video presentation from a company (who rebuilds hand tools battery packs) doing something like that, but I can't remember their website any longer. I also found this nice battery pack spot welding presentation from this guys, I have no connection whatsoever with them, I never used them, I don't know how they do business. Just see the middle of the movie where the welding takes place, fast, easy, clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ThF32YlW4
 
I got around the possible gate overload problem by feeding the gate from the capacitor bank voltage. This ensures a high initial current, but as the voltage across the capacitor bank drops very quickly once the SCR conducts the gate current/voltage drops very quickly. The circuit for my welder is somewhere earlier in this thread and is pretty simple.

Jeremy
 
Jeremy, after some (unsuccessful) tests with a microwave MOT, I decided to go for the capacitive discharge (resistive) welding, for SC, C and D batteries, using nickel 0.005" or 0.01" tabs.

Actually I am shopping for the supercap at eBay audio units, and as far as I read at this forum, the minimum cap capacity must be 2F, is that right? even that a smaller cap cost almost the same. Doubling the capacity and going to 4F or 5F will give me much benefit about 2F? I know that doubling the available energy can give me stronger currents, lower parallel ESR, etc, and I don't see why not purchase higher capacity, just a matter of understanding why I should use more desk space. I see several car-audio caps at eBay, I would appreciate any tip about a cap brand I should stay away.

Also, for the thyristor, I see several STK160 and higher units at eBay, meaning 160A standing current, around 4000A peak current. As an tip, would you say this setup for the cap and thyristor is not very off the course?

I intend to test the caps as soon I receive them, using constant current test, just to make sure (and post here) about the measured capacity on such units, along with ESR, brand, model, etc.

There is a formula to find the capacitance based on constant current, voltage and time. I think the formula is;
Volts = Current * Time / Capacitance

As an example, from a completely discharged capacitor, applying constant current of 300mA during 10 seconds, then measure the cap charged voltage.
Capacitance will be 0.3A x 10s / Volts. If it was found 3V it means the cap is close to 1F.

For the ESR is also easier.
Charge the cap to a known exact voltage, lets say 10V.
Apply a power resistor of 5 ohms across the cap terminals with a voltmeter, wait the cap to discharge down to 5.00V, immediately remove the resistor but keep the voltmeter, after 15 seconds read the voltage. Right before removing the resistor, with the cap with 5.00V, the discharge current was very close to 1A (5V/5ohms). During this 15 seconds the cap will indicate a higher voltage. Lets say now it shows 5.01V. This 0.01V in difference is caused by the internal cap resistance (ESR), while discharging around 5V / 5 Ohms (1A). So, 0.01V / 1A = 10 milliohms. What happens is that while discharging the internal resistance (ESR) was also holding this few voltage (0.01V), externally presenting 5.00V, but internally it was 5.01V. When removing the external resistor, keeping the voltmeter that is Megohm of input impedance, now the cap presents externally its internal voltage. It is a little bit tricky to remove the 5 ohms resistor exactly at 5.00V, but it is possible. Normally it is done with electronic equipment, but it is possible to do it manually. The same test can be done during charging, charge with a constant current of 1A until the external voltage is exactly 10.00V, immediately remove charging wire, wait 10 to 15 seconds, measure the cap voltage. It will present a lower voltage. The difference divided by 1A will show approximately the cap ESR.

Of course you can do all this tests of ESR measurement through all the actual cables and triggered SCR, but using a 5 ohms resistor at the welding electrodes. The voltage measurement during current discharge should be made over the resistor, then, when it reaches 5V, open the connection, wait 10 to 15 seconds and measure the voltage over the CAP. The voltage difference divided by 1A will tell you the overall path resistance including the cap ESR. Then you will know exactly how much power you are losing over the wires, bolts, etc, so improvements could be done.

Thank you,
Wagnerlip
 
From what little I've gathered from those who've used them, the big car audio capacitors can have have a capacity and ESR that are sometimes a bit exaggerated, but the simplest way around this is to just use more capacity than you think you might need. The only real snag with this approach is that the voltage that these capacitors will take is a bit limited. This means that a greater value of capacitance needs to be used. Coupled with a higher ESR this increases the discharge pulse width and reduce the effective weld energy.

If you can find higher voltage capacitors, with a nice low ESR, then the available energy can be markedly increased (as discharge energy = 1/2 x C x V^2). The other advantage of a higher voltage, shorter duration, pulse is the cleaning effect of a high initial voltage. This apparently helps to form good welds (based only on what I've read).

My own unit runs at about 18V for good welds, using just 1.455F of ex-computer power supply low ESR capacitors. This gives me around 235 joules, which seems OK. If I was using audio capacitors running at 14V, then I'd need about 2.4F to get the same discharge energy, but would probably have a much longer longer pulse width.

That thyristor sounds OK to me, BTW.

Jeremy
 
Thank you Jeremy,

I ended up buying a larger SCR at eBay yesterday, a 230A 600V unit, the ST230S06P0V.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=200327333935

That unit stands peaks of 5000A, what seems strong enough even for 6F caps @ 16Vdc discharges (768 Joules).

After the purchase I went to dig through my old power components card box in the garage, to find some power diodes and other small thyristors I knew I have (20 and 30A) for the voltage control over the caps, working as controlled rectifiers from the power transformer secondary AC output. Then I found three (yeah!) large IBM SCRs, two brand new assembled to the original heatsinks, for years I forgot about them. IBM electronic components are known to have no datasheet whatsoever, even when working to IBM it was not available. IBM use to have plenty of power transistors and components, but no info available. This IBM 2395852 uses a 3/4" body thread, in some way it may tell me that it is not a "toy-SCR", I may use it for secondary discharge, when reaching such point of development. As far as I remember those SCRs where used at the secondary of very large power transformers, as controlled rectifiers, to load a very large bank of capacitors, for those tape units IBM 3420, the ones they use to show at movies. That power supply is 48Vdc and both motors (huge DC hogs) could drain around 50 or more Amps, we are talking about 2kVA. So, the power supply is able to supply 100A with low ripple, it means the SCRs must control a larger current from the power transformer, I would say more than 150A in continuous rectifying semi-cycle control. When comparing with other SCRs around, the ones with 3/4" body thread can stand more than 100A, so I could say those IBM thyristors are good for the game.

I see why you recommend to find higher voltage caps. Just increasing 1V on the caps, from 16 to 17V, energy goes from 512 to 578 Joules, an additional 66 Joules, 12.8% more juice with only 5.8% more voltage. And, of course, audio caps are not produced to work around 18 to 20V, a voltage that seems to be important for some welding materials. Other than that, imagining the overall resistance of the setup to be around 0.003 Ohms, 16Vdc will generate a starting current of 5333 A at the first millisecond (not considering the inductive impedance from the cables, etc), when adding this extra 1V (17Vdc over the caps), the starting current would jump to 5666 A. 333 Amperes is quite a current, and can make a difference at the welding.

By the other side, having some little bad extra resistance in the cables, bolts, etc, of only 180 micro Ohms, (now the overall resistance = 0.00318 Ohms), the same 17Vdc charged caps will not generate 5666A, but 5333A as if 16V over caps with contacts of 0.003 Ohms. I mean, working to improve connections and reduce the overall resistance of the setup will result in better welding, as much as increasing the capacitors size and voltage. Doing both the gain is multiplied. It is a gain & gain scenario, where every little detail counts.

I really need to dig the Internet after supercaps (200mF - 1F range) for 25, 35 or 50V. The first hour of search shows not very good results, but I will keep searching. Somewhere there are several computer grade very large capacitors sleeping. :)

Jeremy, I was thinking about material temperature. Did you ever tested to weld exactly the same tabs, ones from the freezer, others from the hot pan? If material temperature changes substantially the welding results?
 
i was looking for something else in my storage locker. ran across some Cornell Dubilier 1Farad 20WVDC computer grade capacitors. they are a few years old. i guess i'll have to test them to see if they work. catalog lists their ESR as 0.003.

i also found some NTE5572 SCRs. they are only rated 80A continuous. will they be okay for this circuit? also found some 1N3293A 100A diodes.

i'll have to clear off some space to check the capacitors first though. i think i'll do the tests you suggested.

rick
 
Adding info to RTL post; where it states the first use of ELKONITE rods, making a copper sleeve, and so on.

I found at the Internet some additional information about ELKONITE, including how to braze it, and made a film around it;
http://www.cmwinc.com/media/files/TorchBrazElkoniteCuWtoCuAlloy.pdf brazing

Also here you can find more details about different ELKONITE compositions and codes;
http://www.cmwinc.com/welding-materials.php

Elkonite rods, dimensions and part-numbers - including the 1/8" rod RTL used;
http://www.cmwinc.com/media/files/ElkoniteBarStock.pdf

Cheers,
wagnerlip
 
wonder how much damage i could do with these if i had a big enough SCR

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huge suckers. about 3inches in diameter and 9inches long. they have been in storage for a few years. i hope that they have not dried out or anything.

rick
 
i wonder if these things age or have a shelf life. these have never been used. i bought them as part of a skid load of stuff when a Nortel closed their local manufacturing line. so they must have been sitting around for at least 10 yrs.

oh well not a high priority. i just wish i had found the parts i was actually looking for instead of them.

rick
 
They definitely have a shelf life. :(
It's very temperature dependent, but can be decades.

I'm assuming the caps are wet electrolytics. If there aren't any micro leaks that have allowed the caps to dry out, the only problem you might have to face is actual physical deformation of the separator and other materials inside the caps. Bring the voltage up very, very slowly...over minutes, if not hours. Allow the caps to sit at about 60%-70% of their rated voltage for an hour or two and then disconnect all cables/connections so each cap is independent. Measure the cap voltages immediately and then again very few minutes. Any caps that drop quickly are bad, toss them before the pop on you during use and keep the rest. :mrgreen:

When done, discharge the caps slowly with a resistor across each and store upright until needed.
 
does cold temperature affect them? the label says they will work from -40.

they were stored in a garage the last 2 winters. coldest they probably got was -20 though.

rick
 
Many months ago I submited my mosfet 12Farad dual pulse welder here. I burned half of the 24 the mosfets after a few welds, ouch....., fixed it again put a protective devices(huge 2 doublediodes and varistors) and fired it againg yesterday everning.
And guess what ! It seems to be fine. Now I only hope it lasts. I did some 0.17, 0.3mm nickel strip welding with an excellent results, nickel to copper worked fine too, vice versa not so good(see the holes). The welder has a punch, I think. 13V is a plenty for 0.3mm nickel and width of the first pulse is 5ms pause about 30ms and 10ms of the second pulse. 16V will make holes if not carefull with copper and is way too strong with nickel. I used chromium copper and pure copper electrodes. Both stick quite a bit but the welds are great! Very even results, well hey ! this is a deluxe welder so it should, right?. A few first pictures of the setup.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/pavelnemo/SpotwelderMosfet?authkey=Gv1sRgCLLtxanM3Z2PPg#
Hope you like it . Nemo
 
rkosiorek said:
does cold temperature affect them? the label says they will work from -40.

they were stored in a garage the last 2 winters. coldest they probably got was -20 though.

rick
Sounds like they'll be OK (at least from the cold temp exposure) but there's only one way to tell. Do it in a good burst-proof container though, just in case. :D
 
That's something that I am reading all around.
"Large Caps should be charged very slowly", this info comes also from all super-capacitors sold at eBay, used in audio-car.
They even supply a resistor to allow slow current to load the capacitors by the first time.

Well, what I can think about it?

If you connect the cap to the power supply or battery (case of audio caps), they insurh current will be so strong that it may blow up the fuse or even damage wiring. Other than that, I may think about not to damage the internal capacitor connections with the high current.

Well, now, if the intention here is to build something that will discharge the whole capacitor charge in milliseconds, the rush current WILL be very high, thousands of Amperes, so, why the reason for the slowly charge? Of course nobody wants to fry its own power supply, a minimum small value resistor in series with the auto-load is requires, limiting the max current (cap fully discharged) shall be the max possible current from the power supply, so it is easy to calculate this resistor (Max Voltage / Max Current). But this is to protect the power supply, not the capacitor. If a capacitor has the hability to fully discharge in 10 milliseconds, he has also the hability to charge in 2 to 3 seconds without any problem.

But why "very slowly"? so the internal electrolites would have time to rearrange themselves?

Just curious, any comment?

[still looking for large capacitors]
 
Jeremy Harris said:
I built up the capacitor bank today - boy am I fed up with drilling holes in copper busbars, copper is nasty stuff to drill, especially if you don't use any lubricant and the drill sticks (as it will, and did - I have a nice cut on my arm where the bit of broken drill flew off............).

Jeremy

Jeremy, when drilling copper bus bar, did you use column vertical press drill or hand held drill?
I guess, copper is a soft material and as much aluminum requires slow speed on the drill.

How did you drill it?

cheers,
wagnerlip
 
I used a big drill press and held the copper bars in a drill vice. I tried ordinary cutting oil (the sticky stuff sold in aerosol form for drilling and tapping), but found that WD40 worked better at stopping the copper from "grabbing" the drill.

Despite using the vice (done up tight), I had a couple of occasions where the bars just pulled upwards out of the vice and went spin-abouts. Not fun as the E-stop on my bench drill is on the side and there was a whirling dervish bit of copper bar spinning just below it.....................

In hind sight I think I should have tried to get harder copper (the bars I bought were 20mm x 3mm soft copper). I'm sure harder copper would be easier to drill, as the main problem seemed to be the tendency for the drill to pull itself down into the soft stuff too quickly.

I wouldn't want to drill this stuff with a hand-held drill, at least, not without holding the bar tight in a vice while doing it.

Jeremy
 
For a soft copper I used a new cobalt coated drill bits ,vice and hand held drill. I pre-drilled it 3.5mm and went to 6.5 after that. I always use a torque setting on the drill.This saved my drill bits from breaking when getting stuck. As to my mosfet welder I burned 4 of 24 mosfets. I'm going to join all gates now. There might be a slight time shift when opening/closing mosfets from the 6 mosfet drivers I have. Time shift was enough to get one set of 4 from one driver overloaded . I'll check timing on my osciloscope too. I also got a thinner 0.2mm copper foil and will do more tests after resoldering 4 mosfets today. I did about 60 welds, ni-ni and ni-co. Thicker copper(0.3mm) to Ni is not possible with my setup.I hope to weld co(0.2) to Ni today. I did some very strong ni to co welds. Like 0.17mm and 0.3mm Ni to a 5mm Copper bar!(see the picture) The welder is more reliable now, but still eventualy failed. I'm getting close to get it right now . It welds 0.17ni to 0.17 ni at 7V ast 0.5ms+2ms dualpulse.
0.3ni to 0.3 ni at 10V 1ms +3ms. It touch-welded Co(0.3mm) to ni at 17V(highest I can safely go) 1ms+3ms. I have found out that my Elkonite electrode is worse than pure copper one. It sticks more. Even though I have to resharpen copper el. more often, after 20 welds or so, I preffer it. Hard silver plated copper would be better, I've heard.
I'll keep improving. I want that 0.2mm copper on A123 lifepos! Cheers!
 

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different materials require different cutting angles to work properly. most drills are sharpened to work for most materials. meaning a 7deg rake at the cutting edge and a 118deg included angle. both of which are wrong for soft materials.

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the 7deg rake will grab the material and pull it up. this is fine for harder materials that will cut before deforming. with copper or plastic i will take a sharpening stone and manually change the rake to 0deg. you don't need much just the cutting edge itself has to be flat or close to it.

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next a drill with a blunter 135deg included angle works better. a center cutting endmill also works well. since drills with blunter angles wander more you more or less have to use a drill press and a vise to hold the work steady.

normal cutting oils do not work well for copper. there are special blends available for copper. alternatively straight 90W machine oil works better. but the best is vegetable cooking oil like Crisco.

last higher rpms are better. with high rpm the chips are thinner, break up more and will be lifted clear of the hole by the spiral instead of bunching up and cloging.

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