rberger
10 W
Excellent! I will try the MacOS version as soon as you release it. I was about to redo my auto-tuning anyway. Love seeing progress!
Compact Field Oriented Controller, ASI + Grin, limited run
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zro-1
1 kW
This is exciting! Those are all very nice updates and features. I'll also be anxiously waiting for the Mac version. Thanks Justin!
Here you go guys:
V1.0B4 Phaserunner Suite for MacOS: [strike]/s/x4jl2bosmqhnqzz/PhaseRunner_Software_Mac_v1.b4.zip?dl=0[/strike]
EDIT Try https://www.ebikes.ca/downloads/PhaseRunnerSuite_1b3.dmg.zip
V1.0B4 Phaserunner Suite for Linux: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dou1hs652go22rv/PhaseRunner_Software_Linux_v1.b4.tar.gz?dl=0
The MacOS build hasn't been tested internally on any modern Mac devices, just on our old and slow dev computer. We'll get to that tomorrow but odds are that it should be fine so I've posted so we can get feedback from other users on other machines too.
V1.0B4 Phaserunner Suite for MacOS: [strike]/s/x4jl2bosmqhnqzz/PhaseRunner_Software_Mac_v1.b4.zip?dl=0[/strike]
EDIT Try https://www.ebikes.ca/downloads/PhaseRunnerSuite_1b3.dmg.zip
V1.0B4 Phaserunner Suite for Linux: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dou1hs652go22rv/PhaseRunner_Software_Linux_v1.b4.tar.gz?dl=0
The MacOS build hasn't been tested internally on any modern Mac devices, just on our old and slow dev computer. We'll get to that tomorrow but odds are that it should be fine so I've posted so we can get feedback from other users on other machines too.
cwah
100 MW
Hello when it rains the controller stops working!!!
It just do 1 or 2 acceleration then I need to reset it but cutting the power off then on.
Any idea how to stop that? Why does it do that????
Thanks
It just do 1 or 2 acceleration then I need to reset it but cutting the power off then on.
Any idea how to stop that? Why does it do that????
Thanks
district9prawn
1 kW
I've been playing around a bit with the speed limiting mode to try and reduce drivetrain crunch on a mid drive. I've set the controller to torque AND speed limit mode (not one or the other) and have introduced a ramp time of about 350ms from 0 rpm to max motor rpm. Even in low gear acceleration is nowhere near that fast so it has negligible impact on throttle response but is enough to help reduce drivetrain slamming when the freewheels suddenly engage.
Alan B
100 GW
cwah said:
The controller is pretty well sealed (potted). Perhaps water is getting into the throttle wiring, or the hall wiring?
Marc S.
100 W
justin_le said:
The Mac version crashes at launch on my 13" MBP from 2009 with MacOS 10.12.6 Sierra.
Update:
It crashes at launch on MacOS 10.8.5 Mountain Lion, as well (same 13" MBP).
rberger
10 W
justin_le said:
I just tried running it (without a Phaserunner connected) on my iMac Retina running macOS High Sierra 10.13.3
And got the error message:
Here's the crash report:
Code:
Process: PhaseRunnerSuite [71160]
Path: /Volumes/VOLUME/*/PhaseRunnerSuite.app/Contents/MacOS/PhaseRunnerSuite
Identifier: grin.PhaseRunnerSuite
Version: ???
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: PhaseRunnerSuite [71160]
User ID: 501
Date/Time: 2018-03-27 11:36:25.704 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.13.3 (17D102)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: C88AA401-F140-CA3D-90C5-8DDF46E52F94
Time Awake Since Boot: 230000 seconds
System Integrity Protection: enabled
Notes: Translocated Process
Crashed Thread: 0
Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
Termination Reason: DYLD, [0x1] Library missing
Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
Dyld Error Message:
Library not loaded: @rpath/QtPrintSupport.framework/Versions/5/QtPrintSupport
Referenced from: /Volumes/VOLUME/*/PhaseRunnerSuite.app/Contents/MacOS/PhaseRunnerSuite
Reason: image not found
Binary Images:
0x108595000 - 0x10871fff7 +grin.PhaseRunnerSuite (???) <7E330AD0-850A-3194-ACBF-1B12E210668D> /var/folders/*/PhaseRunnerSuite.app/Contents/MacOS/PhaseRunnerSuite
0x10a4f7000 - 0x10a54198f dyld (519.2.2) <6695F30B-4E88-3C0B-9867-7D738C44A3E6> /usr/lib/dyld
0x7fff3abc6000 - 0x7fff3b066fe7 com.apple.CoreFoundation (6.9 - 1451) <7AFE9C8F-A562-3AFC-8402-117AA02F57E9> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
0x7fff3d3d6000 - 0x7fff3d471fff com.apple.framework.IOKit (2.0.2 - 1445.40.1) <9CFA07B9-BA6E-31E4-AD4F-C47071A8C522> /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit
Model: iMac17,1, BootROM IM171.0147.B00, 4 processors, Intel Core i7, 4 GHz, 32 GB, SMC 2.34f2
Graphics: AMD Radeon R9 M395X, AMD Radeon R9 M395X, PCIe, 4 GB
Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 16 GB, DDR3, 1867 MHz, 0x85F7, 0x48363432475534324733313836470000
Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM0, 16 GB, DDR3, 1867 MHz, 0x85F7, 0x48363432475534324733313836470000
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x14A), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (7.77.37.5.1a3)
Bluetooth: Version 6.0.2f2, 3 services, 27 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
Network Service: Wi-Fi, AirPort, en1
PCI Card: Apple 57761-B0, Ethernet Controller, Thunderbolt@191,0,0
PCI Card: pci11c1,5901, IEEE 1394 Open HCI, Thunderbolt@190,0,0
PCI Card: pci12d8,400e, USB Open Host Controller, Thunderbolt@194,0,0
PCI Card: pci12d8,400e, USB Open Host Controller, Thunderbolt@194,0,1
PCI Card: pci12d8,400f, USB Enhanced Host Controller, Thunderbolt@194,0,2
Serial ATA Device: APPLE SSD SM0512G, 500.28 GB
USB Device: USB 3.0 Bus
USB Device: Backup+ Hub
USB Device: Backup+ Hub BK
USB Device: USB3.0 Hub
USB Device: USB3.0 Hub
USB Device: USB3.0 Hub
USB Device: ScanSnap iX500
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
USB Device: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
USB Device: USB2.0 Hub
USB Device: USB2.0 Hub
USB Device: USB2.0 Hub
USB Device: Magic Keyboard
USB Device: Backup+ Hub
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: Hub
USB Device: Fitbit Base Station
USB Device: FaceTime HD Camera (Display)
USB Device: Apple Thunderbolt Display
USB Device: Display Audio
Thunderbolt Bus: iMac, Apple Inc., 28.1
Thunderbolt Device: Thunderbolt Display, Apple Inc., 3, 26.2cwah
100 MW
Doesn't work on my macbook either. It's the 12-inch, 2017
zro-1
1 kW
justin_le said:
Software downloaded!
I have a current-version Mac running the latest OS. I'm a half to one day away from being ready to program the Phaserunner to work with my new YTW-06 motor, so I'll be sure to post here how it all goes.
EDIT:
The Mac version doesn't run for me either. Here's the relevant part from the crash report:
Code:
Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
Termination Reason: DYLD, [0x1] Library missing
Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
Dyld Error Message:
Library not loaded: @rpath/QtPrintSupport.framework/Versions/5/QtPrintSupport
Referenced from: /Applications/PhaseRunnerSuite.app/Contents/MacOS/PhaseRunnerSuite
Reason: image not foundI have a 2017 MacBook running macOS 10.13.3
justin_le said:
Apparently I did not play those odds very well! Thanks guys for posting the detailed error reports, clearly there was something left out of the build package and I'll post as soon as we have an updated MacOS release that has been properly tested internally here.
cwah
100 MW
hello,
i keep having this issue saying "error 7: post static gating test".
- It appears for no reasons from time to time
- the only way to get the controller working again is to restart it by removing the power ans putting it back on
I changed throttle and I still have the same issue.
any idea what's wrong???
i keep having this issue saying "error 7: post static gating test".
- It appears for no reasons from time to time
- the only way to get the controller working again is to restart it by removing the power ans putting it back on
I changed throttle and I still have the same issue.
any idea what's wrong???
rberger
10 W
justin_le said:Apparently I did not play those odds very well! Thanks guys for posting the detailed error reports, clearly there was something left out of the build package and I'll post as soon as we have an updated MacOS release that has been properly tested internally here.
Appreciate the early release and invitation to test. Glad to help out.
Rob
zro-1
1 kW
I just downloaded the new version. I'm happy to report that it didn't crash on launch. I'll try hooking my controller up and see how it does interfacing with it.
Thanks Justin!
Thanks Justin!
zro-1
1 kW
I hooked up to my Phaserunner and ran the unit through autotune. Everything worked great. I went to the dashboard and watched the hall indicators blink on and off as I spun the wheel backwards (super handy feature). So I'd say that tweak fixed the issue.
district9prawn
1 kW
I recently changed a few sensorless start settings and slightly adjusted current PI loops in Bacdoor. All is well but I've noticed that trying to connect to the phase runner suite running on windows (I tried 0.992 and 1.b3) results in immediate crash. Even with no controller connected, simply importing the xml also crashes. My previous configuration loads up fine but I can't seem to pin down what might have caused this.
rberger
10 W
justin_le said:
Worked perfectly on macOS High Sierra 10.13.14 2015 15" MacBook Pro. Autotuned the Crystalyte 3540 with no problems.
evolutiongts
10 kW
Can I use the Phase Runner Software with the BAC2000 controller?
Jon-London
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I am just starting to replace the controller on an Ultramotor A2B Metro (Gen 2.1 with an external Euro controller to the hub) with a Phaserunner 1.0 and would appreciate any advice on the motor and battery settings for the Phaserunner.
From the manual the motor is listed as 500W continuous, 800W peak, 50nM Torque with a 36v battery.
The Euro Ultramotor speed controller has a firmware limit to the speed of ~15.5mph or 260RPM of the 20" wheel. The phase wires are 14AWG. I can't see a Kv rating or any other data.
From other forum members posts and the rebuilds of Gen 1 motors with the controller inside I see: - 18 coils in the hub (is this 9 pole pairs?) - the motor has been used up to 72v with Crystallite 40A controller - its a TDCM motor also used on a 48V Strommer - the windings are 2 x 31 in delta with 20G wire.
To set up initially I have the 36V rear battery (with 30A discharge according to the manual) and a 36V 10A internal pack I built a while back from a couple of Zippy 50C lipos with a 50A BMS.
I'd appreciate any advice on the settings I can try to get started/get the max from this battery / motor / controller without burning anything out.
(I have a CA3 on order but not yet in my hands and was wondering if I should hold off until this arrives before starting testing?)
A second related query is a better battery to suit this controller/motor combination (and the settings) - once I have the controller running I was aiming to replace the battery with something like a 52V triangle or rear pack around 20Ah e.g. eV3 / Unitpack power. I'm looking for a good commuting range able to keep up with the traffic and any comments on battery voltage/ capacity / format etc. and the Phaserunner setup changes before I hit the buy button would be helpful.
From the manual the motor is listed as 500W continuous, 800W peak, 50nM Torque with a 36v battery.
The Euro Ultramotor speed controller has a firmware limit to the speed of ~15.5mph or 260RPM of the 20" wheel. The phase wires are 14AWG. I can't see a Kv rating or any other data.
From other forum members posts and the rebuilds of Gen 1 motors with the controller inside I see: - 18 coils in the hub (is this 9 pole pairs?) - the motor has been used up to 72v with Crystallite 40A controller - its a TDCM motor also used on a 48V Strommer - the windings are 2 x 31 in delta with 20G wire.
To set up initially I have the 36V rear battery (with 30A discharge according to the manual) and a 36V 10A internal pack I built a while back from a couple of Zippy 50C lipos with a 50A BMS.
I'd appreciate any advice on the settings I can try to get started/get the max from this battery / motor / controller without burning anything out.
(I have a CA3 on order but not yet in my hands and was wondering if I should hold off until this arrives before starting testing?)
A second related query is a better battery to suit this controller/motor combination (and the settings) - once I have the controller running I was aiming to replace the battery with something like a 52V triangle or rear pack around 20Ah e.g. eV3 / Unitpack power. I'm looking for a good commuting range able to keep up with the traffic and any comments on battery voltage/ capacity / format etc. and the Phaserunner setup changes before I hit the buy button would be helpful.
Jon-London said:
Yeah, this is typical of motor rating. They don't give real data like KV, and winding resistance, but they do give fluffy data like power or torque values from which you can sortof infer stuff.
No, the number of pole pairs is based on the magnet count, not the coils. If you can look at the picture again count the magnets. If the motor has hall sensors, then you can find this trivially by plugging it a computer with the latest phaserunner software suite and using the dashboard view to watch a simulated hall LED and count how many times it toggles when you turn the wheel one revolution.
Most likely you have 8 pole pairs.
The autotune process will figure out the motor KV so use an initial guess of like 8 rpm/V and you'll be fine. It takes a fair bit of effort to burn up a hub motor, I wouldn't worry about that, just set it up to a reasonable ~25A battery current limit or so. To really get the maximum power window you would want a thermistor in the motor and have the CA3 do thermal rollback if the motor overheats, but there's no need for that if you just want a power level to keep up with traffic.
The battery conversation doesn't really belong on this thread, but all the basic principles apply. Once you know the motor KV from autotune then you can easily tell the minimum voltage needed to hit a given speed. We have the TDCM motor used on the Stromer, AtoB etc. on our simulator ( http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html?bopen=false&motor=MTDCM ) and you can use the KV adjust slider to match the specific winding that you have, and get a sense of the real world speeds for a given pack voltage and vehicle loading. Then size the amp-hour capacity of the pack for the range that you need.
With the Phaserunner controller, it doesn't matter if you have a higher voltage battery than needed, as you can easily set phase current and motor power limits to keep the actual power flow to the hub in a reasonable range.
ScooterMan101
1 MW
Nice ,
Does that mean you set the amp limit to say 25/30/35 amp max, and then set the Watts Max ? .... On/With the Cycle Analyst ?
If not how ?
Will this work and will the Phaserunner work with the C.A. V 2.3/2.4 ?
( I already have one on hand )
Does that mean you set the amp limit to say 25/30/35 amp max, and then set the Watts Max ? .... On/With the Cycle Analyst ?
If not how ?
Will this work and will the Phaserunner work with the C.A. V 2.3/2.4 ?
( I already have one on hand )
justin_le said:
ScooterMan101 said:
The Both the CA and the Phaserunner have the ability to limit battery amps and battery watts into the motor. But only the Phaserunner can limit the actual phase amps which is ultimately what causes overheating.
My usual suggestion is that if you have a CA, leave the phasunner's battery limits high and use the CA to scale those down since then you have the ability to adjust this on the fly without reprogramming the controller. But if you don't have a CA, then yes you should program in a battery current limit and/or motor power limit into the phaserunner that is suitable for your battery/motor combo.
Max watts and max battery amps are more or less the same thing if you are running with the same voltage battery, so you only need to choose one of them as your active limiting parameter.
cwah
100 MW
What's the max power I can use safely with the phaserunner? Can I use 3000w as max? Can I put 5000w?
I'd like a better acceleration from stand point. Can I put battery power at 96A?
I'd like a better acceleration from stand point. Can I put battery power at 96A?
cwah said:
Controllers should not be talked about in terms of max power, that's the wrong way to look at them. The controller has thermal limitations to the continuous phase current that it can handle through the fets. In the case of a Phaserunner that's about 50 amps with no external heatsink, and about 70 amps when bolted to a large heat spreader. The word "safely" doesn't have much meaning since the if you exceed this limit for long enough and the controller gets hot, it will go into thermal rollback and reduce power appropriately.
You can set it to that that for sure but you'll never see it off the line because you are motor phase current limited. Off the line you'll have 96 amps of motor phase current, and that could be just 10, 20, 30 amps of battery current, depending on the motor motor winding resistance. As you speed up the battery current will continue to increase for the same phase current.
I tried to explain this in section 4.3 of the user manual, it might be worth reading that again.
http://www.ebikes.ca/documents/Phaserunner_Manual_Rev2.0.pdf
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