First build... Alot of questions

So I dont see a "C" value on the Belo spec sheet. Please let me know what the "C" value is so I can select the right controller and BMS value

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You don't need to know the C rates if they list the maximum discharge rates in amp as they do in the specs. That pack is rated for 30A, but they say it supports a 50A continuous.
 
Personally I don't like those batteries. They're very heavy, and the cells don't have a lot of protection, so the cells are easily damaged - sometimes before you even get it.

This is the sort of thing I mean. See the squished cells in the corner, which had an internal short, so it took the whole string down with it:
 
I've not tried one, but that one would be a lot easier to fit. It's also a lot lighter because it's li-ion, not LiFePO4.
 
Hi, and welcome to EP. Weight is definately a factor in efficiency of any set-up. And you are starting off a little heavy. RC Lipo is most power/weight ratio you can go with, but there's alot to learn about using it safely and not ruining it. Generally, the battery is the most expensive aspect of every build, because of needing periodic replacement/repair, etc. But, I'd say the consensus leans toward Lipo, in spite of all you've gotta learn about it. There are of course, many who use something else. There's something good to say about plug and play and nearly foolproof charging setups. But then, there's that weight thing again. Lipo has become alot safer in the past three or so years I'd say (as to explosions, melt-downs, and the like). But it demands respect and attention to detail. You don't just plug it in and walk away, unless you're rich and have a fireproof charging station not in the house. Gee....it's hard to believe I'm pitching Lipo as my favorite. Take your time and read as much as you can here....just about everything you could possible need to know has already been posted. I've sent you a private message, offering a bike frame and custom battery enclosure that I have....it would fit you. (which is why I don't ride it) Cheers~! (yet, another Dan)
 
Ummm... Makes the Irish in me wanna sing "O Danny Boy" for some strange reason... (in a very good way!)
 
dannyboyohyeah said:
RC Lipo is most power/weight ratio you can go with.........
I don't think that's true. LMC is now much lighter.

These cells are now available in ready-made cased 36v and 48v batteries complete with BMS, which are plug-and-play.
http://www.fasttech.com/product/1233700-panasonic-ncr18650pd-18650-3-6v-2900mah
238 wh/kg

Are there lipos much lighter than these?
http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__21387__ZIPPY_Compact_5800mAh_10S_25C_Lipo_Pack.html
167wh/kg

The normal Zippy lipos - nearly twice as heavy as LMC:
http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__8586__ZIPPY_Flightmax_5000mAh_6S1P_25C.html
144 wh/kg
 
I'd have to have 98 of those at over $1000 to replace my 10ah 20C $275 24s2p rc lipo pack. The size would almost be twice in volume, would consume many hours in assembly, conpared to a few minutes using rc lipo, and by the time the pack is assembled, there wouldn't be much difference in weight. And I don't think they have anywhere close to a 20C rating. When you can sell me a 20C 10ah 24s pack for $300 made up of these cells, drop me a line. I might buy one. No way in hell I'm going to waste my time putting them together.
 
Don't go with the hobby lipo, they are a lot of work charging. Look up lipo fires on utube. Wesnewell you always suggesting lipo for first time ebikers. Bad advise. There's a lot to learn before using this fire balls.
A plug and play battery is best. Like em3ev.com or a Ping, or from ebikes.ca. Going to cheap on a battery is a bad gamble.
 
"Look up lipo fires on utube."
Ummm... Tried a search for "car fires" just now on Giggle (sp?) Maybe seven loooong pages. Dunno how many were Lipo-caused though. :(
 
999zip999 said:
Don't go with the hobby lipo, they are a lot of work charging. Look up lipo fires on utube. Wesnewell you always suggesting lipo for first time ebikers. Bad advise. There's a lot to learn before using this fire balls.
A plug and play battery is best. Like em3ev.com or a Ping, or from ebikes.ca. Going to cheap on a battery is a bad gamble.
I guess if you call an additional 30 seconds to set up the charge a lot of work, then I guess it's a lot of work. Most of the lipo fires on utube are intentional. And some times they can't get them to ignite when trying to. I guarantee I can make any battery chemistry catch on fire or explode. There's not much to learn really. One just needs a half brain and be able to use it. There have been many $ wasted on so called plug and play batteries that don't have enough power for the system they're put on. This stresses the battery pack into an early death. Rc lipo is cheap only because it's produced in mass quantity for the consumer rc market. There are probably a million times more LCO batteries in the market than there are all the other lithium chemistries combined.
 
Yah. Plus One re watt Master Wyly Coyote said from TX. It may be fear and ignorance (plus maybe bad design and cheap construction) that the NA chapter of the Ebiking Global Nation is mostly up against at the moment.
 
It's not everybody can understand all the needs of charging and discharging lipo, and doing it safely all the time.
Yes there a lot of junk plug and play batteries out there. But this guy is just starting out. And the battery is the heart of your ebike and must match your controller and setup.
 
Yes. It seems it's not everybody can understand all the needs of filling and discharging gasoline etc powered vehicles, and doing it safely all the time.

Yes there a lot of junk "plug and play" gasoline/diseasal-powered vehicles out there. But this guy is maybe just starting out. And the fuel tank and complicated engine is the heart of your vehicle and may or may not match your controls and setup.
 
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