GNG, 1000W 48V BB-drive, $400

kifukarider said:
Wishes said:
It burned out at 67 volts.

Wishes

The GNG v1.1 stock controller has 63v capacitors. It sounds like the new 60v controller still has 63v caps if it's failing at 67v.

The old controller's caps would pop at 63v, that was its limit. I read in a post somewhere on here, and I'm trying to find it back, where someone posted an email exchange between them and gng and they had stated not to exceed 65 volts with the new 60 volt controller. So it can't be the same caps on it.

Wishes
 
Wishes said:
kifukarider said:
Wishes said:
It burned out at 67 volts.

Wishes

The GNG v1.1 stock controller has 63v capacitors. It sounds like the new 60v controller still has 63v caps if it's failing at 67v.

Wishes, did you happen to check the low voltage cutoff before testing the "high voltage cutoff" of the new 60v controller? :)

Doh, no i did not. Hmmm, I guess I'll take the time to change the capacitors and test it. Back with the info shortly.

Wishes

Hmm, I stand corrected, i just opened it up. And the caps in it say 80 volts. I don't know whats wrong with this controller then....... Something else must have died in it. The caps do not look popped.
 
Wishes said:
Hmm, I stand corrected, i just opened it up. And the caps in it say 80 volts. I don't know whats wrong with this controller then....... Something else must have died in it. The caps do not look popped.

While you have it open, what is the model number on the controller board? My 48v controller is XHWDZ-9MOS-B.
 
Wishes, please re-post your valuable controller info here:

"GNG Mid Drive Brushless 60V650W"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=52865&start=25

I could re-post it, but you deserve the credit for the info, plus anyone who has questions about the GNG 60V kit might not wade through the 102 pages here to see if there is any info here (ES search function is weak). Thanks, for whatever you decide.
 
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I read in a post somewhere on here, and I'm trying to find it back, where someone posted an email exchange between them and gng and they had stated not to exceed 65 volts with the new 60 volt controller. So it can't be the same caps on it.

Wishes[/quote]

i think that was me, as they just answer not exceed 65v when I ask for HVc of the controller ...chats thé only info i got, I guessed 60/3.6= 16.7s so it could run 4.2*16.7=70v, so i was kind of surprised...I plan to run it 15s full charged, so, I ll love to know if it will handle 17*4.2=71.4 v......
 
spinningmagnets said:
Wishes, please re-post your valuable controller info here:

"GNG Mid Drive Brushless 60V650W"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=52865&start=25

I could re-post it, but you deserve the credit for the info, plus anyone who has questions about the GNG 60V kit might not wade through the 102 pages here to see if there is any info here (ES search function is weak). Thanks, for whatever you decide.

Agreed, anyone else wants details or info on the new controller please post in the new thread. I've moved my answers there.
 
spinningmagnets said:
Wishes, please re-post your valuable controller info here:

"GNG Mid Drive Brushless 60V650W"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=52865&start=25

I could re-post it, but you deserve the credit for the info, plus anyone who has questions about the GNG 60V kit might not wade through the 102 pages here to see if there is any info here (ES search function is weak). Thanks, for whatever you decide.

I think you should consider starting another top level thread for the 60v650w spinningmagnets. Your stewardship of this thread has been excellent. I don't know if ahlidap will be as dedicated to maintaining the thread as you have been with this one. Also, thank you for your efforts, they are greatly appreciated. Just maintaining the build list alone is a great service. Thank you!
 
Kingwouldbe said:
Please help, was on a ride yesterday and the power just stopped, any ideas on what it could be, or how to trouble shoot.
I have checked the fuse, it looks good, cleaned the yellow box connections.

Thanks
What components are you running? Voltage , Amperage, Stock controller and throttle ect.
 
Kingwouldbe said:
Please help, was on a ride yesterday and the power just stopped, any ideas on what it could be, or how to trouble shoot.
I have checked the fuse, it looks good, cleaned the yellow box connections.

Thanks

It could still be the yellow box connections.

If you have a bike stand, you can hold the throttle and start wiggling wires if you think it's a problem with a connection. After my friend crashed my bike, it would only throttle when turning in one direction. I found out one of the Anderson connectors popped out of the housing.

Do you have a multimeter? It'll help if you know if power is getting down to your controller.
 
make sure the smaller red wire ( Switch wire ) has voltage when the battery is plugged in either thru a switch if you use one or direct conection to battery voltage,
 
skyungjae said:
Kingwouldbe said:
BING!!!!!! the RED wire thanks so much you guys are awsome

I'm glad you got things worked out. :D
What he said ^ :D
 
I're so confused.gng on 48v 450w 67kv stock... and after pump up 31amp 48v =1500w, i don't know the rpm and kv after that.

6374 3200w 130Kv Outrunner( i use 12s lipo), in the data sheet it say 85amp max to get full Potential 3200w we need to use 66amp. i dont know the rpm.
have no idea how they decided the torque outrunner is 6.3nm!Can not find information on this.
I'm trying to figure out which motor has more torque, realized that even though the 6347 outrunner has a significantly higher W does not mean higher torque he as Much less copper mass then GNG that weighs 3 times more.
GNG Stock Blvd 67KV 6347 as 130kv

so confused

http://alienpowersystem.com/shop/63mm/alien-6374-outrunner-brushless-motor-130kv-3200w/
 
The kV stays the same. You multiply the volts times the kV to get the unloaded RPMs.

48V X 67kV = 3216-RPM
60V X 67kV = 4020-RPM

The smaller RC motors will get very hot at high amps, and the heat will rise sharply and suddenly when you apply a load to it. They are made for a light model airplane that will accelerate to top-speed in a short time, then the plane will cruise at top-speed for a long time to allow the heat of acceleration to cool off. An E-bike is much heavier, and when you try to accelerate it will take longer, so the controller will apply many amps for a long time.

You can only apply 3200 watts to the small RC motor for a very short time.

You can apply 450W to the GNG all day long and it will only be warm. Most builders are applying 48V X 30A =1440W for fairly long amounts of time, because it can shed heat fairly well while you are riding.

The labels on both of these motors are poorly chosen. The GNG is a 1,000W system, and can use a temporary peak of 1,500W to accelerate as long as you do not apply 1,500W for too long. The 63mm RC motor is a 48V X 15A = 720W motor continuous, and capable of 1,000W temporary peak if you are using it on an E-bike (but...you must watch the temperatures very carefully, they get hot too fast with no warning). For an E-bike, the only RC motor I recommend is the 80mm diameter motors (with an air-fan attached to the shaft), they have more copper mass.
 
In an unexpected turn of events, I found that the skipping I attributed to the belt drive was actually happening in the smaller rear wheel sprockets. I didn't figure this out until I switched to the chain drive GNG motor at which point I couldn't blame the belt for skipping. I shortened my rear wheel chain by a couple links to improve tension and it has made a noticeable improvement.

The worst part is that I was bad mouthing the belt drive when I had misdiagnosed the problem. Please accept my sincerest apologies to the Endless-Sphere.com community.

I retract my former statements about no longer being a fan of the belt.
 
kifukarider said:
In an unexpected turn of events, I found that the skipping I attributed to the belt drive was actually happening in the smaller rear wheel sprockets. I didn't figure this out until I switched to the chain drive GNG motor at which point I couldn't blame the belt for skipping. I shortened my rear wheel chain by a couple links to improve tension and it has made a noticeable improvement.

The worst part is that I was bad mouthing the belt drive when I had misdiagnosed the problem. Please accept my sincerest apologies to the Endless-Sphere.com community.

I retract my former statements about no longer being a fan of the belt.

Yup that happens on the smaller back sprockets. Especially if you have upped the AMP's and watts from the stock. I user only my first 3 gears. 4th and higher, I have to apply the throttle gradually or the chain skips.

Wishes
 
Check the smallest cog I suspect it will have cracked rather than worn out, every time the crack comes around when under heavy load the crack parts slightly and the chain skips. You will still need to buy another cassette.
Regards
 
This is another reason to immediately swap-in the largest chainring that will fit without compromising your ground clearance or hitting the chainstay. To get the top-speed ratio that you want, a large chainring will require more teeth on the smallest sprocket of your rear-wheel gear-cluster. More teeth on the rear sprocket result in the load being more spread out, and there is less load on each individual tooth.

chains and sprockets will last longer, the driveline will run quieter, and the driveline can take more power without the chain skipping/ratcheting over the teeth.
 
This is another reason to immediately swap-in the largest chainring that will fit without compromising your ground clearance or hitting the chainstay. To get the top-speed ratio that you want, a large chainring will require more teeth on the smallest sprocket of your rear-wheel gear-cluster. More teeth on the rear sprocket result in the load being more spread out, and there is less load on each individual tooth.

Chains and sprockets will last longer, the driveline will run quieter, and the driveline can take more power without the chain skipping/ratcheting over the teeth.

104 pages?...DAAAAYUM!
 
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