Interesting Ceiling Fan Idea.

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I need to know if this would work. I was thinking of attaching some mesh baskets to the ends of my ceiling fan blades and putting ice packs in them. I figure if it works it would be cheaper than buying and running a room size AC unit. I'm also worried about condensation flying off the ice packs but I figure if they're spinning fast enough, then the air passing over them should keep them relatively dry. I've got a pretty big and durable ceiling fan in my room. Good idea or am I just a crazy person?
 
years ago i got a 5000 btu at walmart for $79. i've used it twice when the HVAC broke. very handy. Haier brand.
now i sometimes use it in the garage. on a stool 2' from me it gives a nice cool breeze despite no proper vent to outside.
 
Crazy. Ice will melt faster than it evaporates, and the cooling properties of an ice block aren't much.

9 years ago my HVAC broke in my house. I installed 3 little $100 8000btu Walmart window units as an emergency stop-gap while I got bids for fixing the central air. it was totally friend, and needed replacing. bidding process took time, and after a week I was in no hurry, the 3 window units cooled the house better.

A month later, I got my first electric bill. $300 LESS! I had made back every penny I had spent buying the window units in one month's electric bill, on a product that worked better.

9 years later, I still have window units.
 
hey, don't knock ice! before there was AC, merchants would have ice delivered into their stores. Thats what grandpa told me. says people would go to the stores just to get out of the heat!
 
When I was born during one of the hottest Junes on record, they used fans blowing on ice blocks to cool the maternity ward at the hospital. I learned this from a newspaper article many years later. Mom always said it was hot! :lol:
 
If the freezer is inside your livable space, things will just get hotter! The fridge puts more heat into the room than the ice can take out. The carnot efficiency of the refrigeration cycle... or should we say in efficiency. Plus you are going to have a watery spray mess, if the fan doesn't rip out of the ceiling from imbalance.

I would vote for "bad idea."
 
Exactly. But if your ice came from a huge pile of it that was cut from the lake last winter, and stored buried in sawdust, then it would work just as good, or just as shitty depending on your pov, as it did for grandpa. If making ice was the more efficient way to cool buildings, all of them would be doing it.

Window AC is not a bad idea though, you can save a bundle cooling one room vs the whole house.

What might work though, especially if the wind is from the east, is wet your shirt and sit under the fan.
 
"Ice packs". The plastic kind that are reusable. The little square/rectangular ones. The kind you stick in your lunch bag/container to keep your food cool. My refrigerator is in my kitchen. I spend most of my time in my room. We have an AC on our roof but it's undersized for our house. My room is on the South East corner of my house and gets the hottest. Even with the AC on I have to run my fan to circulate what little cool air I get.
 
Move somewhere that doesn't require artificial temperature control. Wasting energy and money only to breathe nasty processed air is crazy. In the tropics not too far from the ocean and most importantly 1km or more of altitude is the way to go. In your location decision make fresh water along with sun and/or wind resources top priorities. For me it's shorts and t-shirts 365, and on the occasional sticky day due still air, a fan for a bit of air movement does the trick. Our house has no heat, no A/C, or even insulation, and it doesn't need it.

In the meantime, your ceiling fan plus spraying yourself with water in a fine mist for some very effective evaporative cooling can beat that summer heat, though hitting a pool or lake is so much better.
 
I wouldn't unbalance the fan with the packs on the blades. But you *could* use the light mounting point on the bottom of the unit to put the basket on holding the ice packs, if you're determined to try the idea. Then at least you won't wear out the bearings or potentially break the fan mount at the cieling and have it fall on you (depending on how badly out of balance and if it's properly installed or not).


The efficiency thing still takes effect, in that it will put in extra heat into the house to re-cool those packs, that your main AC unit will then both spread out into the rest of the house (including your room), and have to try to pump out of the house (which if it's already undersized won't help it any).


You'd be better off to
1-- get a window unit; I have found them at goodwill sometimes, which is where I got the one I'm using now for less than $40, and it works perfectly.

2-- Add shade to the sunlit walls of the house, so the sun doesn't directly strike them.

3-- Add shade to the main AC unit, so it doesn't have to also deal with the heat from that.

4-- Cool the ground (or roof) around the AC unit while it's operating, so the air passing thru it is cooler, making a larger heat differential, and making it work better. If it's on the ground you could simply add a misting system around it so the ground is kept a little wetter, and so that when it's running it pulls the damper air thru it's heat transfer coils, helping htem cool faster than with just the normal dry air. If it's on the roof you could still use the mister, but I don't know what long-term effect it will have on the roof itself, and the water would be wasted other than it's cooling effect on the roof itself and on hte AC unit. At least on the ground it would also be watering the plants/etc around the unit, helping to grow shade for it if you plant the right things near it.

5-- insulate the outer (and/or inner) walls of the house, or at the very least your room. metallized foamboard isn't that expensive, if you just wanna put it inside the room where it won't uglify the house. You'd wanna put it on the cieling as well as the walls, in that case.

6-- insulate the attic of hte house. If nothing else, add another layer of whatever is already there.

7-- If you don't have double (or triple/etc) pane windows in the house, you can block them off with that metalized foamboard, or at the very least hang puffy quilted blankets over them on the window side of hte curtains, to hlep prevent heat from so easily getting into the room(s).

8-- close off vents in the rooms of the house that aren't used much, and close their doors too. Let the bathroom get hotter; you're not in there long enough to worry about most of the time, and if bathing or showering you're making the room hot anyway, probably. Plus then the AC doesn't have to deal with cooling that heated/wetted air, too. Any other rooms that can be closed off that aren't used much would help, too. The less the main unit has to cool, the better it will work.


9-- Set the temperature lower at night so the house in general gets cooled off better while the main unit works better becuase of the bigger heat differential, before day starts making it hotter outside, when it doesnt' work as well. Works especially well in the wee hours not too long before dawn.


There's other tips and tricks like taht scattered in my house fire thread and crazybike2 thread, and probably dayglo avenger thread too.
 
Well, if we all moved to CR, it would just turn into China. Too many people. Smog, etc.

If you own the house, and it's possible, plant a tree that loses it's leaves in winter on that side. Right now, at the equinox, is the time to put a stick in the ground to see exactly where that tree should be placed.

Make that shadow from the stake point at the window as best you can. I did this to the west side of my house ten years ago, and about 5 years ago that room got a lot cooler. Today, it's very cool on that side of the house in the afternoons. But I still get winter solar heat same as before.

Meanwhile, get a roll up shade cloth curtain, or even a cheaper plastic roll up curtain. Hang it a few inches from the wall on the SE side.

Depending on it's location, you might put a beach awning up to shade your AC compressor. At the hottest part of the day, go squirt it with a hose and cool it off. Wetting it once a day won't harm it.

Again if you own the house, and it has an attic you can crawl through, spend $200 on blowing more insulation in up there. More of that heat is coming in through the roof than you think. R30 or so up there will help a ton, even with really poor wall insulation. If you buy enough of the cellulose insulation, they will loan you the machine to blow it free.

Lastly, a window unit makes a ton of sense if the house AC is undersized. Cool that room with a window unit, and closing that vent will put the main AC into the rest of the house better. Or, it might make sense to window unit cool a room that is easier to cool, then the main can cool the hot side better.
 
YES!
i planted 2 sycamore trees yrs ago, and now my AC is about $20/month
 
Back in the old days smart midwest farmers planted Grape vines which by mid-summer covered the exterior walls of their 2 story wood frame farm houses. This created "evaporative cooling" process and kept the home cool.

In the Fall harvested Grapes and made some Wine. Win-win!

Check youtube - can make a simple "ice chiller" using a cooler and fan - they also sell 'em. Temporary at best but for some situations can provide relief.
 
From one crazy person to another:

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Square peg? Round hole? Give me a big enough hammer!...
 
All good suggestions on staying cool especially trees. Careful with trees to close to the house, that can lead to problems with squirrels and other animals. In my neighborhood we do more heating then cooling so I don't have that much knowledge of cooling.

Look at the duct work from AC unit to your bedroom. Be sure it is all open. Are there air returns? Don't cover them. Is there a air filter? Clean or replace.

Is there a switch on the thermostat to make the fan run constantly? Running the fan all the time is good to circulate the air in the house and might make temperature more balanced in different rooms. Running the fan all the time will use more electricity.

Re: I spend most of my time in my room.
Get a job?
Get married?
Join the Army?
Move to Buffalo NY? Nice weather here today. No AC needed. We run a window fan at night to exhaust air. Fans work better blowing air out then in. Some houses here have big a big fan in the ceiling called a Whole house fan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole-house_fan
 
before leaving on that HVAC fan, check the watts! mine is 548 watts! similar to my 5000 btu AC!
so i NEVER leave it on.
BUT i use an 1100cfm ceiling fan., on low 20w.
 
Unfortunately back in 1955 when my house was built, they put all the large trees along the edge of the street. Nobody on my street has any large trees in their yards. All the houses are right next to each other by about 8 feet so there is no where to plant a shade tree. There are a few oleanders planted along the wall outside of my room and that helps a little. I had a portable evaporative cooler before but all it seemed to do was to make my room humid. I would use a window AC but we already have enough stuff plugged in and occasionally our breakers trip as it is. Over the years, as new things were added to the house, it seems like previous owners didn't do a very good job of allocating the breakers to specific parts of the house. In other words it's all kind of wonky. It's like instead of fixing issues with the breaker box they just kept repairing it haphazardly. There's no order to how the power cuts off.
 
Google: "cooling vest"

Many different types: powered, liquid, evap, diy...
 
There you go, if you are going to freeze ice to keep yourself cool, put it on your boobs.

I have used the cooling vests, and they realllllllly work. My wife had some for work, and she'd bring them home for any big summer work we'd do in too much heat. It's a multi pocket vest with a tube of cool pack gel in each pocket. She wore them in summer, inside the space suit they had to wear for a toxic hazmat environment. They suit up to pour toxic chemicals to ship to the hazmat disposal.

You could even make one, and just fill it with those plastic tube popsicles. wear em awhile, then eat one.

The cool vest is more comfy than a wet shirt too. The evap neck coolers also work good, but like the swamp cooler, better in a dry climate.

It will be worth the cost to get some electrical upgrades. But if you main box is maxed,then its a lot of $$. It might be possible though to add a small additional box to the main service rather than put in a new main box. Add 40 amps of breakers, one 20 amps to the window cooler, the other to the kitchen to run your fridges and freezers. That's a project for some other year of course.
 
yes, i just got a new samsung tv, it draws like 10 watts! old was 90w. now i don't need ac after dark.
and my spare 5000 btu ac is only 515 watts, less than 5 amps, so i'm not sure there is not enough power available. if u hAVE eleltrc waterheater, shut it off! it is 5000 watts!
 
Sorry Marty - screw CFL's. LED's the ONLY way to light....
 
Speaking of LEDs and refrigerators... Why the hell is there an incandescent 'heater' in my fridge?!!?

Need an LED in that thing stat!



If you're getting hot, nothing beats a little mister filled with some ice water (for the price)

Spray Mister
 
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