Hey leamcorp, how did you get him to refund you your money. I've been filing complaints with paypal now for a week and he still won't refund me.. He keeps insisting that he already shipped it. I'm thinking hes still waiting on the charger and will ship it when he receives, which there is no telling when that will be. Also I still can't track it on hongkongpost. This is way to much trouble. I should have listened to dogman. craaaaap!
Is Jimmywu66 & EastUnitedMusic the same person?
- Thread starter Sacman
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mrhat24 said:
Not sure, but I had 2 disputes - one on paypal, which is now closed since he refunded and another one on Ebay - which is not closed as previous matter is still not resolved (he owes me a charger and shipping charge to another customer in US - these were going to come off the new deal, which isn't happening).
One thing I am curious about - what is the tracking number he gave you.
I want to make sure he isn't sending out same tracking number to everyone.
rguy56
100 W
I guess I shouldn't read too much into this, but on Saturday I wrote the last five purchasers to leave feedback for jimmywuu66's battery packs...not other items or single cells. Five is the limit. Ebay won't let you inquire from more than that in one day.
Well, no one who left him a positive feedback wrote me back.
All my inquiry was, " I notice that you had a positive experience with the purchase of a lifepo4 battery from jimmywuu66. I was wondering if your experience with the purchase and subsequent service has continued to be positive?"
You'd think at least one "positive" would have written me back. I know I reply to that type of inquiry on ebay every time I'm asked.
Just one more "hmmmm..."
Well, no one who left him a positive feedback wrote me back.
All my inquiry was, " I notice that you had a positive experience with the purchase of a lifepo4 battery from jimmywuu66. I was wondering if your experience with the purchase and subsequent service has continued to be positive?"
You'd think at least one "positive" would have written me back. I know I reply to that type of inquiry on ebay every time I'm asked.
Just one more "hmmmm..."
He gave me a diferent shipping code. Of course I still can't track it. Also, after I filed with paypal about situation, & paypal will take 2 fricking weeks to investigate this case. What the heck. Anyway, I don't think that he will totally rip me off, but I have a feeling that I won't get the battery for another 2 weeks or so. So that means 6-7 weeks total for a fricking battery.
Sacman
10 kW
For 2 weeks he kept telling me he would send the battery "in 2 days" first and then send me the charger later. I thought the same thing too...that he was waiting for the charger so he could save money on the shipping by sending it all at once.mrhat24 said:
Why can't you track it? Is the tracking number not valid? I was suprised that it took a total of only 6 days for me to get the battery after he sent me the tracking number in email. He sent it via Priority air mail. I think he did that because he was anxious to get our batteries to us because he kept asking us to withdraw the 2 disputes on PayPal when we got them and unfreeze his account.mrhat24 said:
Anyway it took 1 day to get from FoTan to Hong Kong, then just 1 day to get from Hong Kong to Los Angeles via air mail. Then it got stuck in customs for 3 days, then it took 1 more day to have it deliverred locally to my office ... 6 days total.
64ragtop
100 W
rguy56 said:
And just which cops will you call? THAT IS WHY i am reluctant to send money to China! Purely as a reminder to anyone concerned, the Peoples' Republic of China is still run by the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese ARMY! They are making some capitalistic moves, and the people are clamoring for freedom, but it isn't there yet. There are still reports of slave labor and involuntary conscription to the army. If there's a financial dispute, and your credit card company or paypal doesn't refund ya - - WHO ya gonna call???
All the best!
BC
Sacman
10 kW
leamcorp said:
Hey leamcorp your tracking number comes up invalid both in HKP and USPS. What country are you in? Did he give you a bogus number or does it work on your end?
Hi everybody.
I've followed this thread for some time now and just filed a dispute with paypal and left a negative evaluation to juimmywu.
I'm fed up with that guy.
More than three weeks and not even a tracking number !
Hope this is going to help (either battery received or money back.
Antoine, France.
I've followed this thread for some time now and just filed a dispute with paypal and left a negative evaluation to juimmywu.
I'm fed up with that guy.
More than three weeks and not even a tracking number !
Hope this is going to help (either battery received or money back.
Antoine, France.
dogman dan
1 PW
To 64 ragtop. Li Ping we can trust. But it still scared me silly to send money to china. My tracking number stopped working when the item left china for a week, but Ping very patiently replied to my panicky emails and reassured me. Normaly the tracking doesn't work again till it actually clears us customs. My battery arrived within 6 hours of his predictied arrival time.
64ragtop said:
Just in case you didn't know, paypal does have a buyers protection, which China is covered. So once determined that they didn't received the battery, they will get their money back - eventually. Hopefully it wouldn't get to that. So, before shouting, understand your right before spreading a false impression.
You may not be comfortable with dealing with a oversea vendor, but thats no reason to bring up China's internal policy on a Electric Bike forum. Its not appropriate and there are better forum to discuss that type of issues.
Professionally, I spend $Millions each year sourcing parts in China (as well as Europe, Korea, Vietnam, etc) - world is smaller than we think. And yes, we make tons of profit in China too.
Sacman said:
I'm in the US, but that tracking is worthless...
Its really strange that he refunded my money but not others.
He keeps on saying its still shipped and pay him when it gets here - I really can't tell you whats going on with this guy. Per the other post, he did the same thing, like send the battery without the BMS/charger, which I declined. Whats the point without the BMS/charger. He seems to have a serious sourcing problem, but all this could of been handled better if he just let us know of his problem. I think many of us took some level of chance - and because we knew the risks, we probably be more patient if communication was better.
I deal with the Chinese a lot and even on multi-million dollar level, they have a communication problem and customer service is bit foreign. For example, when one of the food chain opened a restaurant in Beijing - they had to teach its employee to smile. Its very country specific as most Chinese that grew up in US always smiles. But you run into a recent immigrant, not same.
rguy56
100 W
I'd like to order a "eastunitedmusic/jimmywuu66/peterwong228" dartboard with the following printed sections:
"Your battery is being built. What dimensions do you need?"
"Your batttery will be sent in two weeks."
"Your battery will be sent in one week."
"Your battery will be sent in two days."
"Your battery was shipped two days ago. I will send you a tracking number."
"Your tracking number is "x".
"Do not answer emails." Repeat.
"Repeat: your battery will be shipped in two weeks, I am waiting for a bms"
"Your battery has been sent. Will send bms later."
"Sorry, I will send your replacement charger" (repeat this one as necessary)
"I will send you diagram to properly wire..." (red to red...black to black)
"Your results are wrong, battery must be working, I will fire people over this. Families will starve"
"Use second/third/xth identity to offer to send replacement"
"Use second/third/xth identity to say battery replacements were sent two days ago"
Sorry for boring you, but right now I'm out anywhere from $400-$2000 depending on how disputes work out. I'm mailing my paperweights back to China tomorrow, and hoping for the best. After that, I pray for the patience to wait for reliable suppliers and products, and I know my sla's will keep me rolling.
My problems started prior to the olympics. China is an alien world to me.
"Your battery is being built. What dimensions do you need?"
"Your batttery will be sent in two weeks."
"Your battery will be sent in one week."
"Your battery will be sent in two days."
"Your battery was shipped two days ago. I will send you a tracking number."
"Your tracking number is "x".
"Do not answer emails." Repeat.
"Repeat: your battery will be shipped in two weeks, I am waiting for a bms"
"Your battery has been sent. Will send bms later."
"Sorry, I will send your replacement charger" (repeat this one as necessary)
"I will send you diagram to properly wire..." (red to red...black to black)
"Your results are wrong, battery must be working, I will fire people over this. Families will starve"
"Use second/third/xth identity to offer to send replacement"
"Use second/third/xth identity to say battery replacements were sent two days ago"
Sorry for boring you, but right now I'm out anywhere from $400-$2000 depending on how disputes work out. I'm mailing my paperweights back to China tomorrow, and hoping for the best. After that, I pray for the patience to wait for reliable suppliers and products, and I know my sla's will keep me rolling.
My problems started prior to the olympics. China is an alien world to me.
Another commie LiFePo battery vendor from Ebay. cammy_cc
I wonder whats the chance that its actually another seller id from mr. lau aka jimmywu66 aka EastUnitedMusic.
I've been checking out the feedback (500 something with 98% +) I see a lot of feedbacks that has the same buyer buying 2-3 items in a row. Usually when people buy from ebay, who the heck buy more than 1 item from the same seller in 1 purchase or multiple purchases on the same day? I wonder if these are just fake transactions.
What do yall think?
I wonder whats the chance that its actually another seller id from mr. lau aka jimmywu66 aka EastUnitedMusic.
I've been checking out the feedback (500 something with 98% +) I see a lot of feedbacks that has the same buyer buying 2-3 items in a row. Usually when people buy from ebay, who the heck buy more than 1 item from the same seller in 1 purchase or multiple purchases on the same day? I wonder if these are just fake transactions.
What do yall think?
That Cammy_cc scares me a bit. Reported her for Ebay to check it out.
I'm seeing that he actually posted today per tracking. Yes, today, not many weeks ago like he said. Do check your tracking to see if there's any activities.
To add his many responses, here's what he wrote on Ebay dispute,
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sorry for your problem ,
you have bought one item ,and you receive it wrongly ,then exchange
,and i think you can believe in me ,so i have refund to you for second battery ,and i know i should
be responsible for delay ,and if you like ,when you receive it ,and would you like to return the cost
price for second battery ,although i don't make you to be satisfied ,but i have tried ,
but i will
not lie to you ,
as for the tracking number ,it is delay ,when you receive it ,you will know,
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Now this tracking activity has me really puzzled. Either this guy is a moron or he have something to prove or just don't read his email/dispute notes. I told him to cancel my order, then went through all these dispute claims, then he send me a refund - told him I'm buying a Ping battery and don't want to do business with him, etc. So why did he post something now? Either way, he won't see me sending him any more money and I'll send the battery back, untouched, but he have to send me a deposit for sending it back to China.
I'm seeing that he actually posted today per tracking. Yes, today, not many weeks ago like he said. Do check your tracking to see if there's any activities.
To add his many responses, here's what he wrote on Ebay dispute,
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sorry for your problem ,
you have bought one item ,and you receive it wrongly ,then exchange
,and i think you can believe in me ,so i have refund to you for second battery ,and i know i should
be responsible for delay ,and if you like ,when you receive it ,and would you like to return the cost
price for second battery ,although i don't make you to be satisfied ,but i have tried ,
but i will
not lie to you ,
as for the tracking number ,it is delay ,when you receive it ,you will know,
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now this tracking activity has me really puzzled. Either this guy is a moron or he have something to prove or just don't read his email/dispute notes. I told him to cancel my order, then went through all these dispute claims, then he send me a refund - told him I'm buying a Ping battery and don't want to do business with him, etc. So why did he post something now? Either way, he won't see me sending him any more money and I'll send the battery back, untouched, but he have to send me a deposit for sending it back to China.
rguy56
100 W
Note: After a flurry of high ticket batteries in the course of a few days, jimmywuu66 is now down to two batteries for sale on ebay, both expiring within a few hours. I'm guessing that I know what that means.
"peterwong228" contacted me on ebay a few days ago to say he had sent a charger and two replacement 48v. 20ah. lifepo4s to me two days prior. I didn't buy 2 48v. 20ah. batteries from peterwong228. I bought them from jimmywuu66. I'm not imagining for a minute that anything was actually sent to me.
In order to meet paypal's terms to investigate the dispute, they required me to return the items with tracking within 10 days. Sending the lifepo4s back to China cost me a bit more than I expected, so my outlay to date is over $2,000. Believe me, I can't afford to throw away $2,000. I haven't even gotten a good laugh out of it.
Bob
"peterwong228" contacted me on ebay a few days ago to say he had sent a charger and two replacement 48v. 20ah. lifepo4s to me two days prior. I didn't buy 2 48v. 20ah. batteries from peterwong228. I bought them from jimmywuu66. I'm not imagining for a minute that anything was actually sent to me.
In order to meet paypal's terms to investigate the dispute, they required me to return the items with tracking within 10 days. Sending the lifepo4s back to China cost me a bit more than I expected, so my outlay to date is over $2,000. Believe me, I can't afford to throw away $2,000. I haven't even gotten a good laugh out of it.
Bob
dogman dan
1 PW
Definitely not funny! 
rguy56
100 W
I'm learning to be an astute feedback reader on ebay. Cammycc and daisypang2828 seem to be major listers of lifepo there right now. I have no idea if they're honest sellers or not, but I notice that there is no feedback for either of them for high ticket items in general, or lifepo4s, in particular.
daisypang2828 hasn't sold a single item worth even $1. Yet, there's plenty of feedback built up. Now, it's on to lifepo4s...
Maybe daisypang2828 is a teriffic seller... I guess time will tell.
Bitter Bob
daisypang2828 hasn't sold a single item worth even $1. Yet, there's plenty of feedback built up. Now, it's on to lifepo4s...
Maybe daisypang2828 is a teriffic seller... I guess time will tell.
Bitter Bob
yeah, these must be new sellers of lifepo's.
I haven't been monitoring lifepo's on ebay for a couple of weeks and haven't heard of these sellers before. All the listings at the time when I was monitoring was Jimmywu66 and one other dude. Maybe he morphed into these two????
I haven't been monitoring lifepo's on ebay for a couple of weeks and haven't heard of these sellers before. All the listings at the time when I was monitoring was Jimmywu66 and one other dude. Maybe he morphed into these two????
64ragtop
100 W
leamcorp said:
Yes, I do know about ebay's protection policy, but have had no reason to use or fully investigate it. You used the word "eventually" implying that it might take some doing - which I prefer to avoid. You are correct about the appropriateness of my mention of Chinese social structure. My apology to anyone who was offended. However, I believe my statements were correct as far as they went. I did express reluctance in earlier posts. I was not flagged by the moderators, and I am done with political diatribes on this forum.
And yes I am aware that labor is cheaper outside this country, and that forced labor is the cheapest of all (whoops!) The world is changing, and I hope we will all be better for it. I'm glad that you can spend $millions in sourcing your parts in the shrinking world. As a Disabled Veteran living on the generosity of the military disability retirement system, I probably have less clout with overseas vendors I might send money to. Perhaps that's inappropriate on this forum, too - but it is everyday reality for me! I'm happy for you that you "make tons of profit in China too." And I hope you use it wisely and well. I will continue to do the best I can with what I have and what I can get while watching my cash flow VERY carefully.
All the Best!
BC
rguy56
100 W
Re: Paypal.
Cost of product: $1,540 US (that's before taxes etc.)
Paypal coverage: $325 US In spite of the ebay listing which said, "up to" $2000 paypal coverage.
Paypal may seek the full value on my behalf.
Cost of product: $1,540 US (that's before taxes etc.)
Paypal coverage: $325 US In spite of the ebay listing which said, "up to" $2000 paypal coverage.
Paypal may seek the full value on my behalf.
64ragtop said:
I just don't share your observation but I will not go into on this forum. We also have lots of fault ourselves, but it still isn't appropriate on a ebike forum - even if moderator(s) don't object. The policy of China have nothing to do with your hesitance to send the money oversea or how much each of us are willing to "gamble" to get our battery. It also don't have anything to do with what we are discussing on this thread - which is to talk about these vendors and to let other know about these vendors. Nothing more or less, period.
I hope everyone who is affected by these vendors either get their battery or money back. At the least, those who are directly affected, find some comfort in knowing that others feel their pain (of not having battery as that what we really wanted or losing money).
Good luck and cheers.
rguy56
100 W
I agree with you, obviously, leamcorp. When I learned that was the extent of coverage, I went back to the original listing, and the "coverage up to" claim was the lister's claim, not paypal's. I'm hoping for a better result than that, but paypal's actual coverage just covered enough that I get to send the product back with my return shipping cost covered, and I get $20.47 back in addition. Woopee.
I truly hope paypal obtains more from me from the seller, but that's it for their coverage...
Twisted and bitter,
Bob
I truly hope paypal obtains more from me from the seller, but that's it for their coverage...
Twisted and bitter,
Bob
rguy56 said:
Do check it again - on the user agreement, section 13-8,
# The seller's eBay feedback rating is at least 50; ---- (which he does)
# At least 98% of the seller's eBay feedback is positive; ----- (he had 100% at the time of your purchase)
# The seller has a Verified Premier or Verified Business Account in good standing; ---- (He is verified non-us business member with 1000+ feedback)
# The listing was on an eligible eBay site (eBay.com and certain other eBay sites self identified as such) ---- which he did, ebay US/Aus typically.
# PayPal is listed as an acceptable payment method; and ------ which he did and even listed the $2000 protection
# The seller is a PayPal User from one of the following countries ------- China/hong kong is listed.
You meet all those requirement, which means that you are covered for "top tiered" coverage. Unless I've missed something, do read the section 13 carefully.
rguy56
100 W
leamcorp,
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I read over the user agreement as per your advice, and as far as I can see, you are right. So I contacted paypal to ask about this. In fact, my coverage limit should be $4,000 from what I read, because I bought two of the items.
bitter and twisted but slightly hopeful,
Bob
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I read over the user agreement as per your advice, and as far as I can see, you are right. So I contacted paypal to ask about this. In fact, my coverage limit should be $4,000 from what I read, because I bought two of the items.
bitter and twisted but slightly hopeful,
Bob
