LightningRods mid drive kit

Emaayan, Mitch asked you indirectly to stop quoting half pages. I'm going to ask you directly- please stop bloating the thread with lazy unedited quotes.
 
Makes me glad I got the Bafang 750 watt mid drive. Even with the clutch problem which I had and fixed, I think it will end up being a lot more reliable and hassle free. If the motor is twisting on the frame and requires hose-clamps then I don't think it is ready for prime time. I thought the kit was suppose to eliminate all the problems of the original one?
At some power level it is no longer a bicycle and becomes a motorcyle but a crude one at that.
Also exposed belts and chains seems like they would become catchalls for pant legs etc.
 
The two are very different setups. The GNG1 that I modded is loud and much faster/powerful in comparison. With 40 plus amps at 75 volts it accelerates like a relatively fast motorcycle. Completely different rides. It also does not suffer from being overly complex on the electrical side. On the mechanical side it does push the envelope of standard bike parts but I was able to get a narrow BB to work, with two rings up front. If the belt setup like the LR was available when I was building it I would have gone that route for certain. The BBS02 is clean, simple, quiet mechanically, but your stuck with proprietary parts when it goes. My experience has been that the bbs02 is no more reliable. I hope it proves otherwise long term. It certainly will never fly like one of these kits when using its stock controller.
 
speedmd said:
The two are very different setups. The GNG1 that I modded is loud and much faster/powerful in comparison. With 40 plus amps at 75 volts it accelerates like a relatively fast motorcycle. Completely different rides. It also does not suffer from being overly complex on the electrical side. On the mechanical side it does push the envelope of standard bike parts but I was able to get a narrow BB to work, with two rings up front. If the belt setup like the LR was available when I was building it I would have gone that route for certain. The BBS02 is clean, simple, quiet mechanically, but your stuck with proprietary parts when it goes. My experience has been that the bbs02 is no more reliable. I hope it proves otherwise long term. It certainly will never fly like one of these kits when using its stock controller.
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Yes, I can appreciate that but I find a bicycle motorized or not starts to feel a little too fast once you start hitting over 30 MPH which the Bafang will do.
As far as proprietary parts are concerned as long as you can get them and they are reasonably priced it ain't a big deal. You can get clutches, BB assemblies and many other parts for the Bafang so to me that is really a non issue. The main issue as always is reliability.
I know there are hot rodders out there that want close to motorcycle speeds but on most bikes that is just asking for trouble by over stressing frames, bottom brackets, brakes and the whole drivetrain.
I initially was interested in the Lightning Rods kit but he never responded to my e-mail request, which probably worked out best for both of us.
I wish him the best of luck but bringing a product or kit to market that has any amount of problems is a big headache.
 
maxwell92036 said:
I initially was interested in the Lightning Rods kit but he never responded to my e-mail request, which probably worked out best for both of us.
I wish him the best of luck but bringing a product or kit to market that has any amount of problems is a big headache.
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Being one of his first customers to have bought modifications and helped him to develop the thing, i find quite strange he disappeared also to me!
i do understand he can be busy, but he answers only one time every 5 month now to mails(??!)

and i should buy again..customer want to buy and seller doesn't answer...mmm quite strange as behaviour...
 
Mike,
what the hell of answer is this??!?!
ON EMAIL YOU HAVE A LIST OF PIECES I NEED, IM' BLUFFING ?IS IT A LIE?
TELL US
SO WHY YOU WRITE THIS AND WHY YOU DON'T ANSWER?
REALLY REALLY NOT SERIOUS FROM YOU
AND REALLY DISAPPOINTED!

TRUTH HURTS?
BLOCH IT'S NOT NEEDED WHEN IT'S USELESS, TAKE CARE
 
is it not true that i sent you this email with parts list?!
I SENT EMAIL DAYS AGO , AND OTHER EMAILS WEEKS AGO..
TELL US MIKE

"..but the fact is that i needed other parts but you no longer answer! don't know why, so many messages sent!
forgotten even if customer..

However, i have to order some parts:
Gng sheets for Gen2, the newest version, for one motor-
gng sheets for gen2, the previous version(remember the wrong holes..) one motor-
upper mounting sheets for gen1-
lower mountign sheets gen1, 73mm-
25mm gt pulley set-
25 drive belt-
acs freewheel-
12mm bore hub adapter-
steel tube jackshaft-
steel jackshaft-
considering i have the motor orignal with his shaft and original pulley i think it's all i need, in up and left side, .
on right side i mount 9 T sprocket and i have isis and chainwheel.
HOpe in a good price let me know
thanks"

April fools' day today, candid camera or madness..? i'm serious i need to udnerstand , i want public explanation..
Someone went too far..
 
Can we just keep this threat to a technical discussion? Mike's busy, if you don't like it shop elsewhere, but please don't pollute this thread which will hopefully be useful during the build process.

Flame wars can go on anywhere else (such as discussed here):

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39261

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Channel: #endless-sphere
 
but a war about what?
you seller define me as "enemy"?!
while i'm trying to buy..is it not true what i wrote?
he can answer here, not to an email? do'nt write silly thing come on..
 
Clearly falls into the 80 /20 rule looking from the outside. I would suggest to the folks that are not happy, find another thread to troll and leave this one to folks truly wanting to share product install / development issues. Making stuff this complex work perfectly in every situation is a very difficult task for a crew of engineers never mind a guy in a home shop, and some significant amounts of leeway needs to be allowed. Just remember, any jackass can kick down the barn. Posts like the few above only prove the point.
 
Hi,

I should also point out that deeper you travel into making custom bike parts harder, the further its stops being a bike...
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So what? Build what you want to build, who cares if it meets someone's definition of a "bike"?

Some people think having any electric assist at all, even 250 watts, means it stop being a "bike"!
 
MitchJi said:
Hi,

I should also point out that deeper you travel into making custom bike parts harder, the further its stops being a bike...
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So what? Build what you want to build, who cares if it meets someone's definition of a "bike"?

Some people think having any electric assist at all, even 250 watts, means it stop being a "bike"!
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and these folk are probably called lawyers:)

i don't care what anyone thinks about my bikes (so long as they don't have a gun and a badge), i do care about self sufficient maintenance. otherwise if i truly wanted warp speed bike i would have gone a big block, or an astro motor left side kit, and custom ordered a frame,sprockets, and whatever other special order parts i would have required to make this last , and rode 100 mph away, it's also part of the reason i never wanted a hub motor cause you're bounded to the wheel itself.

the trick for me, is to get highest quality parts for a bike without any sort dependency on single supplier or machinist (like the laser dude that's was drying up mike) and limit the kit only for parts that needed for that (and try to get alternative supplies for that, in order not to strain mike as well)

now after raving about standard parts, excuse me while i go off sawing my new handlebar beyond the minimum allowed because it's too damn wide :roll:
 
maxwell92036 said:
Makes me glad I got the Bafang 750 watt mid drive. Even with the clutch problem which I had and fixed, I think it will end up being a lot more reliable and hassle free. If the motor is twisting on the frame and requires hose-clamps then I don't think it is ready for prime time. I thought the kit was suppose to eliminate all the problems of the original one?
At some power level it is no longer a bicycle and becomes a motorcyle but a crude one at that.
Also exposed belts and chains seems like they would become catchalls for pant legs etc.
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ecospeed uses hose clamps, AFT EMAX uses hose clamp, if the drive is too long, you're gonna hose clamp...

i agree that expose belts and chain may catch pant legs , but then again,my ecospeed drive has a mudgard on the crank AND on the drive
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, and my pants still get caught, in fact if i'm not careful it might actually BEND the mudguard. so i'm not really sure how much you can get away with guards, L-R already produced guards for the join connection between the belt, and when i'll finally get my drive i volunteer to try it my pants on,on a highway, at 30 mph. (that actually sounded better in my head), if i'll live through it, you'll be first to know, if i won't you'll be the last ..:)
 
I've been away and there's been a few pages of new posts since I last read the thread, is there a new production list in the last week or so? If not, can we get an update Mike please?
Getting excited cos I know my kit wasn't far from production :) (Assuming the new frame hasn't complicated it? I haven't heard back from you since sending the pictures of it Mike).
Cheers,
Tom
 
recumpence said:
Actually, today is Labor Day. This day we celebrate those who labor to support our economy. So, many people completely shut down on Labor Day weekend.

Matt
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so he FINALLY will get a chance to try out is how kit ! :D :D
 
I would suppose so. :)

Mike has a lot on his plate right now.

I cannot speak for him because I do not know what he is dealing with from a work load standpoint, but, I know (being someone who fills customer orders and has done so with various businesses for 10 years now), quite often so many emails and PMs come in that there is just not enough time to return them all, let alone do it in an in-depth manor. So, the tendency is to prioritize emails to ones that are most critical or bring in the most revenue. For instance, if I have 20 emails and 4 of them are super simple issues that require HUGE time to explain without being there in person, I may ignore that email hoping the customer searches the web for the simple solution because I do not have the time. Or I will get an email with 1001 questions that are so time consuming the answer and will not bring in any revenue and one other email that is easy to answer and will net a $2,000 order, I will answer that one first. I do not totally ignore emails. But, I do prioritize them. That may be what is going on with Mike (again, I do not know for sure. I am guessing).

Admittedly, I have had a few customers I have finally stopped speaking to because all they do is suck HUGE time from me (rudely besides) without any end in sight.

Let's give Mike a break. He has a personal life, and a business life, and a regular job besides. He has bitten off a large chunk. Lets give him a chance to chew that bite for a while. :wink:

Matt
 
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