Hillhater said:
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
there are no real alternatives out there available to us in large format cells (15Ah+).
Well there is still EIG and Enerdel cells available..not cheap, but certainly available ! :wink:
you make my point.
being forced to buy thousand lot at a time indicates that these are primarily aimed at the tier3 industrial users.
to me 'available' means i can go to some store & buy single lot but i would extend that to anything less than 100 lot.
Hillhater said:
Hmm. ?...
Odd that all the cells on that site are listed as "Out of Stock"
Anf the prices ??/ ..$70 for the 20 Ahr pouch
you always could buy A123 products via their authorised distributor (Maivsen ?) ..but the cost was also a little hard to swallow compared to other options.
the money aspect in both the pricing & MOQ is the always the primary mechanism of control.
if i can't afford the minimum quantity just to get my hands on one then that's the same as being unavailable.
agnisium said:
The prices are high therefore this thread perhaps should be about pricing not availability at this moment of time. looks like childish anger basically saying: They are (edit) frockers because i cant buy Bentley for the price of VW.
then lets talk about pricing.
why do we have to pay bentley prices but get old VW tech.
why do batteries cost what they do?
my simplistic way of looking at things is that in the manufacture of anything it's the raw cost of materials that represents a hard floor.
everything else like r&d, design, marketing, whatever gets divided evenly over the production run so their impact on unit cost gets ever smaller the larger the batch which approaches zero per unit as you approach infinity units.
the raw material of a cell is nothing more than a can full of chemicals not much different than a can of vegetable soup.
or in the case of a prismatic cell, a tin of sardines or maybe a dozen tins depending on the size.
so why is it that a 300ml can of soup or tin of sardines can be had for less than a dollar when a 35ml can almost one-tenth the size like a123's 26650 m1 cell is about $10.
sure the materials in the cell might be worth more but are they really 50 to 100 times more valuable?
"i doan thinn so lucy", lithium is supposed to be among the cheapest chemicals around.
so then what are we really paying for?
i've never heard a good answer to that.