Sources for positive yet truthful news?

[billvon]

This crap even goes on in interviews. I've known people who were interviewed and the show decided to use ~3% of the footage to paint a narrative that was not how the conversation flowed at all. Watch out for short content!

To be fair to the media sources, this is primarily due to a short attention span audience and not necessarily a desire to "paint a narrative." (Which is one reason sources like Youtube are nice because you can often get the entire interview there.)

'here's a neo nazi saying the most horrible things' - but they've left out the not so horrible things.

But most people don't care if the neo-Nazi's foot hurts, or he just saw the latest Star Wars movie, or if he likes Starbucks. So the media edits it down to the part that 1) interests people and 2) fits their short attention span.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of bias in media on both sides. But much of the blame for the format lies in the audience; they are giving people what they want.

 

[ScooterMan101]

That is part of it Bill,
A bigger part is the fact that the Mainstream Media Outlets pay for all their expenses from the advertisements .
For Example , more than one ...

1 ) We have a President (at this time , Trump ) that wants us , the general public , to have better priced
( Cheaper ) Prescription Medications , This will take Billions of Dollars out of the Large Pharma companies , so the Mainstream Media companies , higher people who try to get us to hate the President . it is easy to see this at work every day you watch TV News .

2) We have a President ( at this time , Trump ) that wants us, the general public , to have car manufacturing jobs coming back to the U.S so we can have more good paying jobs.
This costs the big Auto Companies Billions of Dollars, Billions of Dollars they loose out on, so the Mainstream / Large Media companies hire people who try to get us to hate that President .

There are many more examples , the point is ... That most people have no idea that they are being brainwashed by many, many Large Corporations , by way of the Mainstream/Leftist/Progressive , Media Outlets .

There's no doubt that there's a lot of bias in media on both sides. But much of the blame for the format lies in the audience; they are giving people what they want.

 

[Dauntless]

But people on YouTube can only do opinions on reporting. You can guess at what's believable but you can't claim to be offering the true story from so far outside.

As for lopsided, I noticed some improvement from CNN. A long way from even handed still. . . .

And Fox needs to prove the quality of their presentation. They too aren't so slanted as they used to be, but it's hard to seem believable when you're simply sloppy.

 

[neptronix]

There's no doubt that there's a lot of bias in media on both sides. But much of the blame for the format lies in the audience; they are giving people what they want.

Maybe it's not what people want and they just discovered they could sell more ads by presenting things in a tantalizing way that keeps the viewer in a state of fear and excitement. Therefore, what they are doing is get the most attention so they can sell the most ads.

And then that gradually became the standard way to present news all over.
Anything else doesn't get the dopamine and cortisol going the same.

I really doubt most people want to flip on the news and find out who murdered who that day, what threats we have, foreign or domestic, etc. It's the worst way to cool off after a hard day's work. But people have been convinced that if they don't pay attention this garbage, then they're not aware of the scary things out there and may miss out on the latest ( mostly imaginary or overblown ) threats.

 

[billvon]

Maybe it's not what people want and they just discovered they could sell more ads by presenting things in a tantalizing way that keeps the viewer in a state of fear and excitement.

Well, that's the "Yellowstone eruption imminent! Government sends out warnings! News at 11" thing. But that's how they advertise their media, not the media itself.

Therefore, what they are doing is get the most attention so they can sell the most ads.

Of course. They want you to watch (or today, click on) their news stories. Like any capitalist endeavor, they want to make money. And in this case, it means presenting what people want to read.

Of course, it might be possible that people don't really want to read that, or they feel compelled to click on it or whatever. But from a vendor's perspective that doesn't matter. What matters is that's what they consume. If people buy more hamburgers they are going to try to sell more hamburgers so people don't go elsewhere for their hamburgers, even if some doctor says "but hamburgers aren't really that good for you."

I really doubt most people want to flip on the news and find out who murdered who that day, what threats we have, foreign or domestic, etc. It's the worst way to cool off after a hard day's work.

Well, except nowadays you have to consciously choose to read the story about who murdered who, and not the story about the dog that rescued the toddler. And who clicks what largely drives what media sites concentrate on.

But people have been convinced that if they don't pay attention this garbage, then they're not aware of the scary things out there and may miss out on the latest ( mostly imaginary or overblown ) threats.

That may well be true. But again, the media sites that say "we are not covering the latest (terrorist attack/wildfire/hurricane) because we don't want to scare anyone" quickly go out of business.

And in any case, there are media sources for everyone. Want to read about the latest starlet scandal? Go to CNN. Want to read about things that affect our economy here in the US? The Wall Street Journal is a good source. Want to read in depth studies of things with a minimum of sensationalism? The Economist is great. In a free market, there will be a lot of junk food - but often, that's all people want. And a capitalist media gives people what they want.

 

[billvon]

A bigger part is the fact that the Mainstream Media Outlets pay for all their expenses from the advertisements .

Right. So it behooves them to provide what people want.

1 ) We have a President (at this time , Trump ) that wants us , the general public , to have better priced
( Cheaper ) Prescription Medications , This will take Billions of Dollars out of the Large Pharma companies , so the Mainstream Media companies , higher people who try to get us to hate the President . it is easy to see this at work every day you watch TV News .

But we also have a president who is the most dishonest president in modern history, based on the number of mistruths he tells a day. And we have a president who is seeing a dramatic upturn in uninsured people under his watch. And an objective reporter would cover those things as well to give a balanced perspective.

But not everyone wants a balanced perspective. The Trump-haters will go to Huffington Post, who covers the lies and the state of health coverage. The Trump-lovers will go to FOX News, who will cover Trump's promises.

2) We have a President ( at this time , Trump ) that wants us, the general public , to have car manufacturing jobs coming back to the U.S so we can have more good paying jobs.
This costs the big Auto Companies Billions of Dollars, Billions of Dollars they loose out on, so the Mainstream / Large Media companies hire people who try to get us to hate that President .

Again, balanced coverage would include the fact that car manufacturing jobs are continuing to leave, and that GM is closing factories and laying off workers despite Trump's tweets, tariffs and threats. And again, people will choose which side of the story they want to hear.

There are many more examples , the point is ... That most people have no idea that they are being brainwashed by many, many Large Corporations , by way of the Mainstream/Leftist/Progressive , Media Outlets .

Agreed. Just as many more are brainwashed by the right wing media, but believe that only they know the truth. Fortunately people still have a choice of their media sources.

 

[dustNbone]

I am watching PBS allot and even Democracy Now from time to time , D.N. is the worst of all of them, they are always either outright lying or have someone on who has a opinion which is completely different from the real Facts ( in other words a lie ) , or they omit the truth .

I'd like to see some evidence of this. I've watched/listened to DN for like 20 years, and while their slant is certainly progressive I'd be surprised if they were rated lower than any of the mainstream news outlets in terms of broadcasting provable lies. There are organizations whose specific purpose is to gauge this type of thing.

It was very evident with the latest mainstream/liberal/big news companies like CNN/MSMBC/NBC/ABC/PBS/D.N. did not show what really happened with the Students being harassed by the Black Militants and so called Indian Elder , incident in Washington D.C just a short while ago .

You have to go to youtube to see the full video footage to see what really happened . The , Only , News organization that showed the full video footage which shows what really happened was ... Fox News.

( no wonder that the left/progressives and their ilk , Hates Fox News !

Fox news are often the only ones who shows the Truth !

Haha ok there goes any illusion of objectivity in the things you say. Fox News is consistently rated the least truthful of all the major broadcasters, anyone going there to learn actual facts is doing it wrong. I give them some credit for holding the president accountable for some (one?) of the promises he made, but take it away for all the times they excused his straight out lying. And the way they stood by him while he called the press the enemy of the people and such. They have no consistent interest in the truth, they say and do what they must to maintain viewership. CNN does basically the same thing on the other side, but they lie far, far less than Fox does. Again, this is provable, not my opinion. Facts can be checked.

It is easy to see how half of the American Public is so , well I try to be polite, how half of the Americans are Brainwashed Sheep ( also called Sheepeople , the Liberals/Progressives/Socialist's ) and they do not even know that they are Brainwashed .

Again, this is a broad assertion with no basis in fact. One side lies more than the other, one side knows less than the other. And if you want to get plain and simple about it, one side is smarter than the other. It's been studied to death, and the results are quite consistent.

 

[ScooterMan101]

dustnbone,

I have also been watching PBS and DN for longer than you , 35 + years now.

And I disagree with all you have said in the above post, I have seen the lies, and omissions of the news outlets you like .
The left wants you to believe Fox is in lower ratings for truth, but they are deceptive there , they are lying again. They say it so many times you believe it.
There is a great segment in the Movie Hillary's America that talks about the Left / Progressive lie's and how they repeat it so many times that many people believe it.
It is easy to see, just see what the mainstream news programs say , then go to Fox, You will see .
When I compare a news story to all the others then watch Fox talk about the same subject , Fox covers that subject in much more detail, and more factual. And has guests on that are more Factual . The other news outlets do not have experienced guests on as much, just talking heads that leave out the truthful details.

This has just been proven again by the latest incident in Washington DC with the Students .
I watched all the news channels I can get ( non cable/over the air ) and none of them even came anywhere close to covering what really happened , Only Fox news Did !

So even though the left/progressives have you fooled, the latest incident in DC , has Proven they are lying to you. Fox Covered it Much More Factually and in Much More Detail.
Someday you and a couple of others that like to post in this section of E.S. will wake up and realize the Left has has you fooled for a long time. I can see that it will take you some time though. I have time , someday you will get older/wiser , I am old enough to see many people realize that the Left/Progressives have been lying to them .

You really need to watch all the # walkaway videos , it is a growing movement , and for good reason.

 

[neptronix]

Someday you and a couple of others that like to post in this section of E.S. will wake up and realize the Left has has you fooled for a long time. I can see that it will take you some time though. I have time , someday you will get older/wiser , I am old enough to see many people realize that the Left/Progressives have been lying to them.

What a perfect place to start a charged partisan political debate and take rumme's place - on a thread where the point of the thread is to find non biased, non partisan sources.

And of course, billvon has taken your bait.


This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[ScooterMan101]

Well it was I who took his bait , his and dustnbone's , anyway I know I should not have , but when you have those here ( a few in this section on E.S. that post allot ) that just spout what is fed to them by the Mainstream Media I am so much disappointed by them.
Anyway Time is on my side well really time is on the side of more and more Americans everyday , Meaning , I am seeing more and more people leave the left everyday .
Anyway ...
Here , getting back to sources of real , honest news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPqe7GuVp-Q

 

[Chalo]

Both sides lie in their own ways. The liberal side will gloss over things and paint them one way using illusions of intellectual superiority. The conservative side will go for the angle that they're telling you the 'hard truth nobody wants to say'.

Centrism is a political bias, too, with its own kind of toxicity. Corporate business is mostly centrist. And it's one of our biggest and most intractable political problems that we must solve to move forward.

One of the traps of seeking out "positive yet truthful", "balanced", "unbiased" information sources is that you're likely to turn up some radical centrists in the process.

 

[dustNbone]

Anyway ...
Here , getting back to sources of real , honest news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPqe7GuVp-Q

You sure about that?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Watch
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/judicial-watch/statements/
https://www.factcheck.org/tag/judicial-watch/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/judicial-watch
https://www.mediamatters.org/networks-and-outlets/judicial-watch

 

[MJSfoto1956]

Simple turn off the TV. And any mass media for that matter. All of it. You'll be much happier. And they will have less power over you and less power in general. Oh, and be sure to block people who won't let you live your life without all the angst (e.g. "rheumy" et al).

Life is short people. History won't give a fig what you think.

M

 

[billvon]

Centrism is a political bias, too, with its own kind of toxicity.

I think people are overly concerned with bias sometimes. When it comes to news, I am far more concerned with accuracy than with bias. My big desire from news sources is accuracy; I can ignore bias.

With that in mind, some data points:

Politifact maintains a list of media outlets and scores their stories. This is not that scientific since they do not choose the stories to score at random, but rather uses headlines and top stories - and thus how a network chooses their headlines can alter their score. But it's a reasonable guideline.

They score each story on a six level scale - true, mostly true, half true, mostly false, false and pants on fire (i.e. a complete fabrication.) For each network, these are the number of stories ranked "mostly false" "false" or "pants on fire":

CNN 27%
ABC 35%
MSNBC 42%
FOX 59%

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/

Fairleigh Dickinson University did a survey about six years back, asking people five questions about domestic policy issues. They also asked them where they got most of their news. Then they ranked each source (or non-source) by the average number of questions listeners got correct.

FOX News 1.04
"I don't watch/get news" 1.22
MSNBC 1.26
CNN 1.26
Talk radio (various) 1.35
Daily Show 1.42
Sunday Show 1.47
NPR 1.51

Questions on international news were similar, with MSNBC falling a bit behind the "I don't watch/get news" crowd.

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

One of the traps of seeking out "positive yet truthful", "balanced", "unbiased" information sources is that you're likely to turn up some radical centrists in the process.

"Radical centrists?" I love it! We will have to get them together with the violent extremist pacifists.

 

[MJSfoto1956]

One of the traps of seeking out "positive yet truthful", "balanced", "unbiased" information sources is that you're likely to turn up some radical centrists in the process.

"Radical centrists?" I love it! We will have to get them together with the violent extremist pacifists.

You made my day!
M

 

[neptronix]

Centrism is a political bias, too, with its own kind of toxicity. Corporate business is mostly centrist. And it's one of our biggest and most intractable political problems that we must solve to move forward.

One of the traps of seeking out "positive yet truthful", "balanced", "unbiased" information sources is that you're likely to turn up some radical centrists in the process.

Corporate business acts in self interest that does not fit any particular category, only playing lip service to one side when it is convenient to their goals. IE if you're google in San Francisco, you squash a union quietly but publicly declare you support LGBTQ rights to earn points with the liberals.

Let me know where these radical centrist news outlets are. I've never heard of them. I've never encountered anyone who call themselves a centrist, and i was involved in politics for a long time.

If fence sitting is a political bias, then we've expanded the use of the term to include more people than intended, and the term starts to fall apart as an identifier.

 

[dustNbone]

I guess when I think "Centerism" the main thing that comes to mind is the aversion to appearing biased.

When I hear things like "There's good and bad people on both sides".

Or other statements of the obvious that really mean nothing at all.

For example when someone lies all or most of the time, it's not bias to call them a liar.

 

[e-beach]

I think before one picks their news sites, one has to pick one's brains to see what kind of news you will accept.

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[Dauntless]

Neuroscience? It's more a matter of how you treat 'More.' A conservative expects you to think it's okay when HE goes after more. A liberal expects you to pretend she's getting more for everyone when she's taking more for herself.

Then they get married. She wants their son to grow up to be a doctor when they're quitting because of Obamacare and she's running out of people to write her prescription for 'Medical' marijuana. He doesn't want a doctor in the family because Obamacare will prevent him from paying off his student loans and supporting himself.

Thus do you decide to vote Democrat or Republican.

Meanwhile, where is the media call for lynch mobs as they'd do if this was a Republican governor? Where is Sleazee's big editoral that wearing black face deserves the death penalty?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/northam-blackface-photo/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

 

[e-beach]

Neuroscience? It's more a matter of how you treat 'More.......

You mean like more right amygdala? I knew you were more right about something.... :lol:

 

[Dauntless]

You mean like more right amygdala? I knew you were more right about something.... :lol:

If only you could figure out what you're saying. Then you could have a SECRET to keep from us.

 

[markz]

What are you saying that you dont watch CNN nor Fox, its a real gas of a laugh. Brings a stench upon themselves with their fakeness!

What gets me is when any of the news were stating polls, like "Trump will never win" and yet he won, and they still talk about polls like they are fact. Its just noise, just garbage. A poll is always skewed.

I dont even watch news anymore, I mean I like Ben Shapiro when he brings on Joe Rogan or Canadian PM Steven Harper, or some of the Larry Elder even though he repeats himself over and over again.

.

 

[Chalo]

What gets me is when any of the news were stating polls, like "Trump will never win" and yet he won, and they still talk about polls like they are fact. Its just noise, just garbage. A poll is always skewed.

It kinda screws a poll when jackasses are too ashamed to admit they're jackasses.

 

[Dauntless]

Positive yet truthful means you stop covering plane crashes? I think of George Bernard Shaw complaining of those you ask how they are and they TELL you.

You can get to the CNN website right now and see how they're 'Fact Checking' this Trump speech and admitting it's basically true but them spin doctoring excuses to act as though it is not.

Jackasses ad.ittimg they're jackasses? You mean YOU EXPECT Bernie to admit he's a lifelong socialist party member and was lying when he denied it? Meanwhile, how would you report that in a positive manner?

 

[e-beach]

...... YOU EXPECT Bernie to admit he's a lifelong socialist party member and was lying when he denied it? Meanwhile, how would you report that in a positive manner?

so·cial·ism
Dictionary result for socialism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism -
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Hummmm. Just what gets funded by societies economic money exchange.....The US government, the State governments, the county governments, the city's. The US military. The VA. Social Security. The list goes on.

Sounds like the whole of America is rife with the kind of socialism all the right-whingers depend upon.