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And you think trolling saves the day. Don't think mental health pros can save you, you're just swatted. Goofball.
He's a legend in his own mind.Voltron said:Thats one of the more self grandiose statements I've ever seen written... once one starts comparing ones self to a god swatting flies, a professional mental health is usually in order.
neptronix said:Don't worry about chemtrails or chemicals making the frogs gay or how Trump is a fascist or blablablabla; get to work on the part of your life you have control over. Most of that shit is just a diversion to keep you wallowing in your own self pity.
billvon said:He's a legend in his own mind.
neptronix said:Health is a form of wealth. .. .So money does matter. So does health. So does people. . .2 out of 3 elements is a step up from where we came from!
(Squeak.)
I don't know about that. It worked for black rights, gay rights, women's right and protecting the environment. All brought about largely by people "complaining" (protesting.) Indeed, if you listen to the automotive industry around the time the CARB/EPA was created, they were claiming that all of that was impossible. If you try to make cars cleaner you will put Ford out of business. If you try to improve fuel economy everyone will have to drive sub-sub-compact death traps. It took protest, then voting, then law, before anyone "got shit done."neptronix said:The truth is that making change is not that easy, and never was. You have to be a solver. You gotta go out there and get some shit done, or get away from some shit. The least effective option is to complain, or shall we say.. "protest" to try to gain awareness about issue X, which is ultimately an attempt to inspire someone else to be a solver, rather than get the thing done yourself.
A backyard garden is a nice idea, but it is just another way of putting your head in the sand - to make you feel like you are making a difference. Unless you are recycling your own poo into a farm of at least a few acres, you are doing more to make yourself feel good than to reduce your footprint.Even most supposed environmentalists think that switching from a 3,000lb gas car to a 4,000lb electric car will save the planet from catastrophe. This is a 'extra fancy' way of putting one's head in the sand. A sustainable future looks more like backyard gardens and bicycles. Only a small sliver of environmentalists understand this and are willing to live that way. This is maybe 1% of the population.
And saved a lot of lives (LA was downright deadly in the 1970's.) And reduced CO2 emissions by quite a bit.neptronix said:CARB and EPA took actions to fit internal combustion cars with emissions controls, so now instead of emitting carbon monoxide, they now emit carbon dioxide. Now we have another problem. Emissions controls bought the car and oil industry some time, and that is about it.
I think pretty much everyone is doing better with less repression and more freedoms. Of course, just having more freedom won't solve all your problems. It just solves one.Civil rights acts and women's rights etc have some positive impacts along with negative ones. Some minority groups are actually doing significantly worse. Other ones have improved a bit.
Yep. And that consensus came from an awful lot of work by protesters, activists, legislators and gay rights groups.Gay rights is just government rolling back it's oppressive laws and no longer being part of the problem. That was easy to tackle once decades of consensus were built.
Of course. It's just one method. It worked well for pollution, civil rights and automotive oil use. It won't work for everything.But don't count on consensus or political action. There are many more large problems left unsolved by the 'get the government to fix it' route than solved by that route.
Nope. A typical backyard garden will, at most, supply 5% of a family's food needs. And the most pollution/transportation costs/health issues comes not from the carrots you buy at the store (that can be replaced by a garden) but from those steaks you buy (which you can't grow unless you have a reasonably large farm.)A backyard garden eliminates a series of pollutants, transportation costs, and health issues for an individual or family. Done on a massive scale, it would eliminate a significant part of humanity's footprint.
As does simply moving to within a few miles of where you work, and using local farms.Everyone on a bike and no cars cuts our global emissions EASILY in half.
I agree that they have a bad track record. But they are sometimes the only way to get anything done.Almost every major problem we have has a solution you can implement on an individual level. Government has a bad track record of doing the right thing, so doing the right thing is up to us.
I agree. But you were just complaining about people using EV's is an "extra fancy" way of putting one's head in the sand. Even though they are living examples of a way to get to close to zero carbon/zero pollution transportation.Being a living example of what to do is not sticking your head into the sand at all. It's far more effective than begging people in power to force others to do as you wish.
Not such a good example. The chemtrails theory says they are spraying mind control chemicals from jets that circle the planet, and often use satellite pictures of contrails over the oceans to "prove" they are right. And moving to Mars isn't an option.neptronix said:What's most effective.. protesting chemtrails.. putting a bumper sticker on your car.. or packing your bags and leaving the area?
These options look like this:
1) Beg government to stop doing an evil thing
2) Beg other people to beg government to stop doing an evil thing
3) Actually getting away from evil thing or negating evil thing some other way.
I say do number 3 first and 1 & 2 last.
rumme said:Oh, and only 15 more days, till Santa comes down the chimney to give us gifts. Im also glad we eliminated those WMDS in Iraq.