The true sine-wave (vectored) controller & electronics set

[Alan B]

Very Nice, and welcome to ES!

Don't mind our skeptics.

 

[gensem]

Btw whats the continuos power rating?

like 2kw for the small one and 7kw for the big one?

 

[MadRhino]

I am looking forward to equip some of my bikes with your Max-E. I find that your feature list is great already, far ahead of anything else that is available on the market right now, better than we had expected to become available in a near future.

I wish you all the success that you deserve for this hard work. Keep us informed as production agenda evolves, I bet that many of us here will be waiting impatiently for the release day.

Скорых

 

[Kingfish]

Adaptto: Excellent – thank you for the reply. I look forward to the technical specs and integration notes. 8)

Welcome aboard, KF

 

[lostrack]

This is very interesting. I'd be Up for beta testing.
Is it sensor less?

Subscribed

 

[markobetti]

First : all respect doing a ready to market thing.
Second : all respect hitting the es before regular market

questions : 7kw version ? ( between max and mini - you should add midi 7kw version - most of us dont need more than 7 kw continuous )
Please explain the sinewave signal - how is the signal produced ? What does your test say in addition to normal square signal. Does the controler have field weakening on demand button .
Fancy display is nice etc.. but control of the motor is what most of us are after. So the question is easy :
rc guys will ask if the controller works with crazy low resistance motors ?
hub motor guys will ask for midi controller and performance
All of us will ask for efficiency of controller and additional goodies - like switch between sensorless and non sensorless mods , field weakening ( bigger rpm - smaller flux , bigger speed - non economic mode - i look at this as 120 mod on xie chang controllers -except more profound ) .

 

[heathyoung]

I'd be interested to know how you managed to get a vector based controller to work off halls rather than a proper encoder - halls are too clunky to guage the position without resorting to some clever maths, and you still don't get the silky smooth acceleration of a vector based controller.

I'd love a 20Kw-25Kw 150V+ version, programmable, for when the vectrix controller goes bang beyond repair (though when the IGBT goes, its $550 each - mind you, phase amps are 450+, so when it goes wrong - its messy.

 

[flathill]

I'd be interested to know how you managed to get a vector based controller to work off halls rather than a proper encoder - halls are too clunky to guage the position without resorting to some clever maths, and you still don't get the silky smooth acceleration of a vector based controller.

I want to know their implementation also but it can be done

Shunts on two phases
http://www.sinusleistungssteller.de/
60kHz

 

[Dauntless]

. . . .it's not clear how that can substantiate your statement), so if I'm not making myself clear at times, just let me know I'll try my best.

Actually, it is you who posted a product you wish to sell, all substantiation duties shall remain with you. Dang, you start to get the idea I've been employed at maintaining a web presence in communities such as this.

Meanwhile, you see the room is lining up for all the substantiation they can get. I'm immediately locking in on 2 controllers working together for 2wd. You've just made an offer they can't refuse, but we've had BIll Gates and Microsoft in the U.S. for just about 30 years now, so 'Bo Knows vaporware.' But then I don't know which of these cultural references you might know. I just want to make the point that people will make allowances for a bit of "Message Drift," where maybe it's not 100% as promised, but when you're talking about ready for market, you have to be delivering just about all of it quickly.

But anytime someone as you can get such a discussion going, just the questions people ask are quite informative before they're answered. "halls are too clunky to guage the position without resorting to some clever maths, and you still don't get the silky smooth acceleration of a vector based controller." I mean, duly noted.

Still, I have the feeling this won't be ready for market mid May, just because it sounds as though you're being optimistic about what you can get done in 2 months. I don't work in manufacturing, but all the materials and process engineering I've been learning lately are in a college manufacturing program. If you're still awaiting prototypes for some components, that means you haven't really seen the final product work together. Murphy's Law. I struggled for more than a week to get the glitchy HobbyKing website to take my order for some 13 Turnigy motors, now I have to wait until they're in stock. Supply problems alone. . . .

But should I get the project grant they're calling a 'Green Scholarship' that screen could look great on the cardboard bike I'm supposed to show enough confidence in to chase down the likes of LiveforPhysics without winding up like SoSauty. OR WORSE! So let's add questions about how hot it might get putting out that 7kw. Is there going to be a temp. display?

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32860&hilit=hanebrink&start=120#p480641

 

[lostrack]

. . . .it's not clear how that can substantiate your statement), so if I'm not making myself clear at times, just let me know I'll try my best.

Actually, it is you who posted a product you wish to sell, all substantiation duties shall remain with you. Dang, you start to get the idea I've been employed at maintaining a web presence in communities such as this.

Meanwhile, you see the room is lining up for all the substantiation they can get. I'm immediately locking in on 2 controllers working together for 2wd. You've just made an offer they can't refuse, but we've had BIll Gates and Microsoft in the U.S. for just about 30 years now, so 'Bo Knows vaporware.' But then I don't know which of these cultural references you might know. I just want to make the point that people will make allowances for a bit of "Message Drift," where maybe it's not 100% as promised, but when you're talking about ready for market, you have to be delivering just about all of it quickly.

But anytime someone as you can get such a discussion going, just the questions people ask are quite informative before they're answered. "halls are too clunky to guage the position without resorting to some clever maths, and you still don't get the silky smooth acceleration of a vector based controller." I mean, duly noted.

Still, I have the feeling this won't be ready for market mid May, just because it sounds as though you're being optimistic about what you can get done in 2 months. I don't work in manufacturing, but all the materials and process engineering I've been learning lately are in a college manufacturing program. If you're still awaiting prototypes for some components, that means you haven't really seen the final product work together. Murphy's Law. I struggled for more than a week to get the glitchy HobbyKing website to take my order for some 13 Turnigy motors, now I have to wait until they're in stock. Supply problems alone. . . .

But should I get the project grant they're calling a 'Green Scholarship' that screen could look great on the cardboard bike I'm supposed to show enough confidence in to chase down the likes of LiveforPhysics without winding up like SoSauty. OR WORSE! So let's add questions about how hot it might get putting out that 7kw. Is there going to be a temp. display?

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32860&hilit=hanebrink&start=120#p480641

Jees, chill out.

 

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

To sn0wchyld & kingfish: The displays are 2,8" in size. The BMS main board supports maximum 8 auxiliary boards, each for 4s6p, so 32s6p total. Since the BMS is fully adjustable it's any type of battery compatible, including LiPo. Moreover the auxiliary boards have 6 JSTXH connectors, so completely plug&play for LiPo. On the pic below are 3 auxiliary boards.

For 2WD applications you will still need one display to be able to play with controllers' settings - in addition to everything mentionned in the initial post you'll be able to change power distribution between the motors and, if you have front geared motor, set the speed at which the front motor turns off. Integration between them happens through a master-slave interface, nothing special about it really just plug one into another and that's it. As for the specs it can be a combination of any of the two. To get an idea about the price deduct around $150 from the total price of two controller sets you like.
To gensem: Our peak power values are a bit conservative, so continuous power rating for Mini-E is 3Kw and 10Kw for Max-E.
To lostrack: It both and you can choose between sensored and sensorless.
To markobetti & heathyoung: Obviously, I can't tell you how exactly sine-wave signal is produced. But heathyoung is right it does take some sophisticated maths to do that. However the accelaration is smooth. It will work with RC motors, but at lower power levels. As for efficiency, I just don't want to make any claims right now and let the beta-testers assess that.
Markobetti, if you could clarify a little what you meant by "field weakening ( bigger rpm - smaller flux , bigger speed - non economic mode - i look at this as 120 mod on xie chang controllers -except more profound )"
To Dauntless: 8)

 

[lostrack]

Well...you have alot of people's attention

Do you think there's going to be a useable version soon?

Happy to sign an NDA to not send out pics of production models etc. if you decide to send a beta in this direction...

 

[SplinterOz]

First : all respect doing a ready to market thing.
Second : all respect hitting the es before regular market
...

rc guys will ask if the controller works with crazy low resistance motors ?
hub motor guys will ask for midi controller and performance
All of us will ask for efficiency of controller and additional goodies - like switch between sensorless and non sensorless mods , field weakening ( bigger rpm - smaller flux , bigger speed - non economic mode - i look at this as 120 mod on xie chang controllers -except more profound ) .

Dude... do you think you can get one of the larger ones to test on the Colossus? It may not drive it to the peak but it would be a great package.

 

[Dauntless]

Jees, chill out.

Now THAT would be an unfortunate turn of events.

 

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

A little update on how we are moving towards a better future
The prototype (molded into silicone) display cases/boxes arrived today.

The prototypes exposed a few issues to us and we are moving the supports on which the display is supposed to rest on the handlebar towards the rider and making a proper fitting (instead of using zip ties), so that the display won't slide down each time you press the buttons on it, as well as making the TPE layer a little thiсker and reshaping its edges slithly.
This means that in the end of this week we are giving a start to real (steel) molds manufacturing, which takes 30-40 days+5 days max to produce 500 boxes, + 10 days to deliver to Russia. All the electronics components are arriving next week. So we have plenty of time to assemble everything and are still optimistic about getting them done in mid-May.

To SplinterOz: Unfortunately, I don't know of any Colossus owners in Moscow, but we will order one soon. It might require reprogramming the controller to make it work properly, so we want to test it first and I'll let you know the results. It should work the question is where the safe power level will be.

To lostrack: We haven't blown a controller in a while already, so the usable versions are already here. Before this day they looked like this

I'd be happy to send them out in dozens if they didn't cost what they cost.If someone of the people we chose and people that knew long before this thread that they are getting one refuses I'll send you one.

 

[lostrack]

A little update on how we are moving towards a better future
The prototype (molded into silicone) display cases/boxes arrived today.

The prototypes exposed a few issues to us and we are moving the supports on which the display is supposed to rest on the handlebar towards the rider and making a proper fitting (instead of using zip ties), so that the display won't slide down each time you press the buttons on it, as well as making the TPE layer a little thiсker and reshaping its edges slithly.
This means that in the end of this week we are giving a start to real (steel) molds manufacturing, which takes 30-40 days+5 days max to produce 500 boxes, + 10 days to deliver to Russia. All the electronics components are arriving next week. So we have plenty of time to assemble everything and are still optimistic about getting them done in mid-May.

To SplinterOz: Unfortunately, I don't know of any Colossus owners in Moscow, but we will order one soon. It might require reprogramming the controller to make it work properly, so we want to test it first and I'll let you know the results. It should work the question is where the safe power level will be.

To lostrack: We haven't blown a controller in a while already, so the usable versions are already here. Before this day they looked like this

I'd be happy to send them out in dozens if they didn't cost what they cost.If someone of the people we chose and people that knew long before this thread that they are getting one refuses I'll send you one.

This is cool...keep on posting info!

 

[Philistine]

I think I have a rock in my pocket :wink:

This is one of the coolest developments I have seen on ES lately, if this does all you guys say it will, I would happily pay the prices you quoted earlier. Looking forward to updates.

 

[gensem]

I think I have a rock in my pocket :wink:

This is one of the coolest developments I have seen on ES lately, if this does all you guys say it will, I would happily pay the prices you quoted earlier. Looking forward to updates.

Your wrong Philistine.

You should say you would be happy to pay the prices quotes if it did work from 24v to 200v.

 

[Philistine]

Your wrong Philistine.

You should say you would be happy to pay the prices quotes if it did work from 24v to 200v.

Do you mean because it is limited to 100V?

I don't know Gensem, I admit this sheepishly *looks around to make sure noone is listening* I haven't actually gone over 20S to date. I feel like a guy with a 6 incher at a porno shoot saying that on ES, but I am pretty happy with 20S. I would probably swap any speed increase I got over that with more range, so I doubt I will be going over 20S anytime soon.

Even in the last year I have seen the most hilarious "voltage race" on ES. I remember when 20S and 24S were the big dong voltages on here, now 30S is the new 9 inch benchmark.

 

[gensem]

Your wrong Philistine.

You should say you would be happy to pay the prices quotes if it did work from 24v to 200v.

Do you mean because it is limited to 100V?

I don't know Gensem, I admit this sheepishly *looks around to make sure noone is listening* I haven't actually gone over 20S to date. I feel like a guy with a 6 incher at a porno shoot saying that on ES, but I am pretty happy with 20S. I would probably swap any speed increase I got over that with more range, so I doubt I will be going over 20S anytime soon.

Even in the last year I have seen the most hilarious "voltage race" on ES. I remember when 20S and 24S were the big dong voltages on here, now 30S is the new 9 inch benchmark.

Yes, Im running 24s, but I would love to able to use the same controller for my commute at 20-24s 4p and in the weekends 40-48s 2p to have fun with. Also have a higher voltage range would alow this controller to be used in small motorcycles and scooters.

 

[grindz145]

That display alone is trick! Ill be looking forward to getting one.

 

[gestalt]

Yeah, that level of display is what I've been looking for for some time. Like a cycle anylyst on steroids. From the looks of it I'm on the hook for two of these controllers complete with bms which can safe me the trouble of fooling around with cell logs to do my cell monitoring. As soon as I see a bit of testing and review I will most likely be hook, line and sinker.

Its about time a controller/bms/display unit where all of the components work together seamlessly came around. Well worth the added cost over the usual infineon controllers that everyone has been building with. I really would like to see this product set the bar for what is expected in controller technology. I'll be waiting with bated breath.

 

[gensem]

Any updates on the 150v-200v version?

Have you tested the regular 100v version with the colossus already?

Thanks

 

[wojtek]

subscribed and waiting for more news

 

[mat h physics]

Looking forward to this. Posting to have easy ref to the tread. Any updates would be greatly appreciated.