Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases

The cost of labor in China is rising and starting to become uncompetitive over the last few years.. and western governments are handing out money left and right to subsidize or tax advantage these domestic operations, including ones started by foreign countries.

Generally speaking, China and the west are looking to economically separate in the near future, so Taiwanese and Chinese companies are moving some of their operations to the west so they can continue selling batteries in that market after that happens.
 
Nice find!

It's hard to believe someone could best Amprius' 450 whrs/kg this early in the game.

I looked into this because i was skeptical. Chinese companies can be as full of **** as ours stateside sometimes, lol.

Apparently this energy density is feasible.
Ref: Lithium-ion batteries break energy density record – Physics World

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Here's an article about this company:
Solid-state battery startup Talent New Energy unveils cell with ultra-high energy density

Dude this is insane. I know these cells could 'theoretically' hit 2.5x that of current lithium but i had no idea we were this close already.

Now they just have to figure out how to produce them economically, which seems to be the current challenge.
Apparently improving them is no big deal!
 
Also assuming they have useful cycles lives, discharge rates, etc. I don't think it would be particularly hard to make a battery with incredibly high energy density that only lasts 50 cycles and often the cycle life is the hardest part of moving from a test chemistry to a production chemistry, notice how they say good cycle life but no numbers, got to throw out the big density number to catch some attention first and figure out everything else later. Still I think we'll start seeing higher and higher energy density cells hit the market as some of the developments make it to production in some for or other.
 
neptronix said:
Apparently this energy density is feasible.
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Yes,…. if nothing else, this Talent info seems to parallel to the Samsung 900Wh/ltr that you posted last month.
hopefully we may eventually get the full specs of one or both , and some idea of commercial availability /use.

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I noticed in your link to Physics World they seem to be talking of very similar results and materials ,.…
.so, i wonder if it is not the same cell ?…and if so maybe this is relavent..
”The devices boast a gravimetric energy density of 711.3 Wh/kg and a volumetric energy density of 1653.65 Wh/L, both of which are the highest in rechargeable lithium batteries based on an intercalation-type cathode,”
..BUT ALSO NOTE..
”The researchers, who report their work in Chinese Physics Letters, explain that a trade-off always exists between the energy density, cycle performance, rate capability and safety of lithium-ion batteries. Safety is a primary requirement, but elevated energy density will increase the risks …….
……..The cycle performance of high-energy density batteries also still lags behind that of currently commercialized batteries, he adds. “This parameter needs to be comprehensively considered to meet the requirements of specific fields. It will therefore take considerable time for ultrahigh-energy density batteries to be practically applied. ..”
Safety, (fire) is probably the most sensitive aspect of Li batteries at the moment.
 
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Now for something completly different !…..
Grid scale storage, currently the domain of lithium batteries, Pumped Hydro, Flow cells , Thermal storage, etc ……may have a new competitor.
And the core material may be a shock !
COMPRESSED CO2 !
Based on the principle that CO2 can be compressed to liquid phase at ambient temperature for storage, then used by expanding back to gas phase through turbines to generate power, in a sealed closed loop system at 75-80% efficiency, and with a much lower cost (LCOS). than any current alternative (1/3 the cost of Li battery)
CO2 compression and storage is an established technology.
More explanation here…
 
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I suppose it depends on what they actually did for pulses--did they just use a simple 50% duty cycle squarewave, or some more complicated waveform.

This image from the article implies a simple 50% duty cycle squarewave of *current*; I haven't tried to figure out what the voltage waveform would have to look like to get that current waveform, but I don't think it would be a simple one. The actual current waveform they used could be completely different, as they don't have any scope images, etc, and don't describe it.
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In case the article or site goes away, the PDF is attached to this post.
 

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A-DamW said:
Came across this recently, apparently you can extend the cycle life of lithium based batteries by using 100-2000Hz pulsed current for charging:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aenm.202400190
Makes me wonder if you could just add a chopper circuit to your existing charger setup.
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We as a species have spent a collective trillion dollars trying to improve various aspects of the lithium battery with very little to show for it currently and we missed the fact that we could ~3x battery life with a weird trick?

Dude, WTF!

And also thanks for sharing that!
 
From the graphs, it looks like a simple 50% duty cycle. This would be pretty easy to implement. Pulse charging has been used for many years with lead-acid and Ni-Cd with some benefits.
 
100Hz, PWM 50%, c/100 gives very good results for charging alkaline batteries, but that's another story. For LiION I would expect a negligible effect at lower charging current. In the article they use 1C.
 
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet:

CATL Unveils Shenxing PLUS, Enabling 1,000-km Range and 4C Superfast Charging

At Auto China 2024, CATL unveiled Shenxing PLUS—the world's first LFP battery that achieves a range above 1,000 kilometers with 4C superfast charging. Within eight months after the launch of the Shenxing superfast charging battery in August 2023, CATL has once again pushed the boundaries of LFP...
www.catl.com

205Wh/kg with such high power density using LFP cells is insane.
I wouldn't be surprised if they can reach 250Wh/kg with LMFP using the same tech.
 
Hey not bad for lifepo4!!
 
This just came out, Sakkuu's dry-printed Li-metal battery, I have linked the utube video at 11:48 in where they show charts of the batteries performance for 1,000 cycles and at different discharge rates. And how it is exactly the same for their ~40% cheaper/less energy intensive dry-printed manufacturing process.

So it really looks like 2024 is the year of truly new and even actually going to be mass produced notable improvements in battery technology.
I gotta be honest, about 3-4 years ago when I looked back on this thread that starts in 2007 with news of very convincing battery promises "available in a few years" that never came through, I started to think it was all total BS and nothing new would actually come, but man has that depressing view totally gone now. :mrgreen:
 
I recall seeing that Sakuu uses proprietary polymer collectors that are cheaper and lighter than copper/aluminum foil. I'm wondering if their collector patents can be paired with some of the other chemistry improvements that are popping up all over.
 
Even if sakuu does not uses new chemistry, the new process allows insane improvements in weights and volume. And cheaper in theory (and greener if you like that stuff)
 
CharlySierraGolf said:
Even if sakuu does not uses new chemistry, the new process allows insane improvements in weights and volume. And cheaper in theory (and greener if you like that stuff)
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Sorry, ?…i must have missed the part where they presented that data ?….…
…..can you repeat the Wh/kg, Wh/ ltr, $$s/ kWh etc
and since when is 1000 cycles to 80% capacity, a “breakthrough “ ?

2 kWh pack on a moto is not particularly exciting…even at 8C (16 kW) !
 
To be fair i don't think the manufacturing process would be much faster the main brake through i see is the lack of interconnects and the weight saving from ditching them, plus the shape of the cells can be what ever you like leading to better packaging density if the tech is what it says it is.

What ive not seen is there any ability to cool them now there's less conductive material, And how does the interconects age with time is there any degrading leading to increased IR across cell connections and how does the interconect manage heat the polymer is not a super conductor so there will be heating between cells and no were for it to go still lots of questions and revisions before mainstream release but interesting none the less.
 
Dude i just came here to post that, lol.

I'm amazed that we can get them already!
 
A-DamW said:
Anyone know more about the claimed solid state batteries in this portable power station?:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CPPKFXP3

An Undecided with Matt Ferrell video:

I wanna see some Batterymooch or Pajda cell-level reveiws.
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The problem with "Undecided with Matt Ferrell", is that he doesn't really know anything about what he is talking about, as he fell super-hard for the "Solid Hydrogen" scam which in hindsight was basic physics knowledge, Matt did a remarkably detailed video about it and used a lot of complex lingo that TRULY made him look like he knew what he was talking about, but it was obvious he didn't as "solid hydrogen" is laughably dumb.
The only reason the USA gov "banned" it, was they were probably sick of people in gov falling for the scam idea of solid hydrogen stored on discs and asking for it to be funded..

I think the most of the attack videos from Thunderf00t on Elon Musk are quite DISGUSTING, but man did Thunderf00t nail it on Matt Ferrell and his "solid hydrogen" video. The original video has been taken down by Matt, it convinced me that Matt really didn't have a clue on a level that just now haunts me forever.
 
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TheBeastie said:
The problem with "Undecided with Matt Ferrell", is that he doesn't really know anything about what he is talking about,
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I'm always glad to hear when somebody else is equally annoyed by the total lack of knowledge about anything, and his videos are just summaries of a recent "tech" puff piece article he found online.
 
I feel like "Just Have a Think" is just a better version of "Undecided with Matt Ferrell" if what you want is coverage of new green energy tech in short entertaining videos with some detail but not really much technical information. Sometimes interesting but I prefer stuff with more information generally. But at least he's fairly skeptical of anything that sounds too good, doesn't pretend to know things he doesn't and if he covers anything that isn't actually in production he pretty much always is optimistic but wants to see actually in use in the real world before he believes it.
 
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