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[ZeroEm]

by Dauntless » Jan 14 2021 1:26am
I wish there were still more of us Bill Clinton Democrats around

In Texas they were called blue dog Democrats, the end of them was when the Governor of Texas was elected as a Democrate and flipped to the Republican Party. He is running the department of Energy at the moment "Rick Perry". In 1984, Perry was elected to the Texas House of Representatives as a Democrat from district 64, which included his home county of Haskell. He served on the House Appropriations and Calendars committees during his three two-year terms in office. He befriended fellow freshman state representative Lena Guerrero, a staunch liberal Democrat who endorsed Perry's reelection bid in 2006.

Perry was part of the "Pit Bulls", a group of Appropriations members who sat on the lower dais in the committee room ("the pit") who pushed for austere state budgets during the 1980s.[23] At one point, The Dallas Morning News named him one of the ten most effective members of the legislature.[24]

In 1987, Perry voted for a $5.7 billion tax increase proposed by Republican Governor Bill Clements.[25] Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries and worked for Gore's campaign in Texas.[26] On September 29, 1989, Perry announced that he was switching parties, becoming a Republican.[27] On a guest appearance on Fox show Hannity, he partially credits Reagan as part of the reason he became a Republican, also stating he switched political parties sooner in his life than Reagan.[28]

That is when I left the Republican Party and became a Democrate and I keep moving left. Must keep some balance in the USA.

 

[Matt Gruber]

Say, a bank robbers shoots and kills the teller. Of course he is charged with murder. BUT the driver also gets charged with murder. I don't think this is fair, but it is the law.
So trump incites an insurrection. How can he get away? If senators vote nay, then he can escape. So my view is that any senator that votes nay, agrees with the actions of POTUS, and with equal justice under the law, they should also be charged with inciting an insurrection. (by being voted out of office in the next election)

 

[leisesturm]

Say, a bank robbers shoots and kills the teller. Of course he is charged with murder. BUT the driver also gets charged with murder. I don't think this is fair, but it is the law.

The driver gets charged with murder as an 'Accessory After the Fact". It is not quite the same bar as for the actual triggerman. I wouldn't worry too much about Republican Senators or Obstructionist House Republicans. Many are, in fact ,themselves, lawyers. Most of them represent constituent districts so rabidly pro-Trump that their actions up to, and including, last Wednesday, will HELP their re-election chances, not hurt them.

 

[Dauntless]

The driver gets charged with murder as an 'Accessory After the Fact".

Your terminology is bad, but your on the right track. Accessory MEANS after the fact so you drop that part, the driver is NOT after the fact, etc. In California an accomplice is not charged with murder but faces sentencing enhancement, if they were in the bank holding a gun they are a principal, woe be to them.

There's nothing to blame on any Senators or Representatives, as much fun as some people think they could have if only they could.

In Texas they were called blue dog Democrats

They were called 'Yellow Dog' Democrats, as in "I'd vote or a YELLOW DOG before I'd vote Republican." Republicans were too liberal, too progressive, too antiCivil War. The Democrats were the party of the KKK. The Blue Dog Coalition was formed after the 1994 election debacle as Democrats decided they'd gone too far left. (DAMN!) Job one was to reaffirm the commitment of Clinton and other Democrats to reduced spending and no deficits. (Fat lot of good they've done.) Three of the original members were from Texas.

Your story about Perry, etc., is all right as far as it goes, but people just don't know the real history of American politics and have some really funny ideas. Note the official House of Representatives list of black congressmen and which party elected the first 44.
https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Black-American-Representatives-and-Senators-by-Congress/

Also the first woman, before women were allowed to vote, for the express purpose of allowing her to reintroduce the same bill to allow women to vote that Republicans had pushed unsuccessfully for 40 years because Democrats opposed allowing women to vote. (She was also the first lesbian congresswoman.)

The artist who created the Blue Dog that inspired the name was in fact a Trump fan, but died before the candidacy was announced. But not before producing a version of the dog as 'The protege.'

https://bluedogcaucus-costa.house.gov/about/history

 

[ZeroEm]

First of all i'm not from your neck of the woods. So call it what you will.

The Blue Dog Coalition was formed in 1995 during the 104th Congress to give members from the Democratic Party representing conservative-leaning districts a unified voice after the Democrats’ loss of Congress in the 1994 Republican Revolution.
The term “Blue Dog Democrat” is credited to Texas Democratic representative Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been “choked blue” by Democrats on the l…

I will stick to the facts. The world looks different all depends where you are standing at.

 

[Matt Gruber]

Most of them represent constituent districts so rabidly pro-Trump that their actions, will HELP their re-election chances, not hurt them.

Sadly, that is probably true

 

[markz]

Each state is different but lots of cases on the tv show The First 48, has countless drivers getting a murder charge.

If they are going to commit a crime, any crime they get charged with murder when anyone dies including within their own group. The key in the evidence is if the driver knew a crime was about to be committed, and remember its any crime but usually its just simple robbery and you get one dumb fk that brings along a gun to scare the victims more but ends up using the gun, whether by accident or on purpose, again dont matter if its an accident they all go to the penitentiary.

Facebook seems to be a common source of evidence, along with text messages and phone call times. All easily accessible and available with a warrant. They "grab" or copy all of the facebook pages for evidence. Many times the dumb criminals are showing off guns on fb used in the crime, and money and they brag for street cred. Or the criminals are hanging with their bro's and its good eye witness material for a 6 pack lineup to show witnesses. Pure stupidity on the the criminals part but hey they dont know any better. They are doing penny crimes, meanwhile steal $5M, hide $3M and do 2 years!
Another commonality of criminals getting caught is their cell phone pinging off cell towers, and other cell phone apps that track.

On the news just today, some Toronto gang bangers got nabbed in Missouri. They kidnapped and extorted an overseas student and were paid off. OPP were looking for them for murder in T.O. They got pinched due to speeding in Missouri. They couldnt get their stories straight, were caught with a cache of arms. Others get pinched for having a tail light out, or license plate light not working, or not using blinkers, no seat belt. All pretty stupid reasons to get caught, but all to common.

As for drivers and murder charges. Outcomes have varied a little but my guess is it comes down to which state they are in, their defense lawyer and what the defendant said while being interrogated. Many of the suspects are dumb and talk, its quite laughable and sad at the time. You got idiots doing crime for pennies, $50 here, $100 there and they get 25yrs out in 15, or 45 out in 25 and life sentences.

Say, a bank robbers shoots and kills the teller. Of course he is charged with murder. BUT the driver also gets charged with murder. I don't think this is fair, but it is the law.

The driver gets charged with murder as an 'Accessory After the Fact". It is not quite the same bar as for the actual triggerman. I wouldn't worry too much about Republican Senators or Obstructionist House Republicans. Many are, in fact ,themselves, lawyers. Most of them represent constituent districts so rabidly pro-Trump that their actions up to, and including, last Wednesday, will HELP their re-election chances, not hurt them.

 

[Matt Gruber]

mark,
i think congress is exempt from most laws it will be interesting to see what they can get away with. seems some knew of the plan and gave tours
If trump pardons the insurrectionists, they will be emboldened to try again. 20,000 troops sounds like a lot, but if a million trump voters show up, they will run out of ammo. My guess is the troops will scare off a 2nd attack. Mainly because trump does not know what made America great in the 1st place. If the plan was to revive the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, well, that would be a cause worth fighting for.

 

[Dauntless]

First of all i'm not from your neck of the woods. So call it what you will.

The Blue Dog Coalition was formed in 1995 during the 104th Congress to give members from the Democratic Party representing conservative-leaning districts a unified voice after the Democrats’ loss of Congress in the 1994 Republican Revolution.
The term “Blue Dog Democrat” is credited to Texas Democratic representative Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been “choked blue” by Democrats on the l…

I will stick to the facts. The world looks different all depends where you are standing at.

Not really. Yellow is still yellow. I will say I stand where blue and yellow are opposite, in the world of the video signal they counter balance one another. Less yellow, more blue.

But I gave you the Blue Dog and you go running to a wiki. That's fleeing the facts, as Indivisible does.

Oh, look, traditional vectorscope images. Don't it just bring tears to the eyes?

 

[flippy]

If trump pardons the insurrectionists, they will be emboldened to try again. 20,000 troops sounds like a lot, but if a million trump voters show up, they will run out of ammo. My guess is the troops will scare off a 2nd attack. Mainly because trump does not know what made America great in the 1st place. If the plan was to revive the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, well, that would be a cause worth fighting for.

in case you did not notice: 1 shot was fired in the capitol and 1 seditionist was shot in the face and hundreds of seditionists all ran off REAL quick.

americans are like any other group of bullies: just punch the first one and deck him and they all run.

its real simple: did nixon try to overtrow the goverment and install him as Supreme Leader? no, then trump is worse.

 

[ZeroEm]

I'm sure it's what kind of glasses your looking thru. I like the rose color glasses, makes me think most people are Good.

 

[Matt Gruber]

If trump pardons the insurrectionists, they will be emboldened to try again. 20,000 troops sounds like a lot, but if a million trump voters show up, they will run out of ammo. My guess is the troops will scare off a 2nd attack. Mainly because trump does not know what made America great in the 1st place. If the plan was to revive the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, well, that would be a cause worth fighting for.

in case you did not notice: 1 shot was fired in the capitol and 1 seditionist was shot in the face and hundreds of seditionists all ran off REAL quick.

americans are like any other group of bullies: just punch the first one and deck him and they all run.

its real simple: did nixon try to overtrow the goverment and install him as Supreme Leader? no, then trump is worse.

Well said

 

[Dauntless]

 

[Matt Gruber]

litmus test - turns red under acid and blue under alkaline conditions.
A good litmus test for the character of a person is how fast they can re-evaluate a previous position when presented with new facts.
When D or anybody sticks to their old view in the face of an attempted coup, it shows an inability to shrug, and say i was wrong about him
My opinion of any such person drops very low, but could improve if they make an about face. (they have so far, flunked the litmus test)

 

[Dauntless]

When D or anybody sticks to their old view in the face of an attempted coup, it shows an inability to shrug, and say i was wrong about him

When D or anybody sticks to realizing a noncoup isn't an attempted coup, it shows an inability to be brainwashed and say, 'Oops, I guess 4 fingers REALLY IS 5 FINGERS.' And that's great, I never would want to be the worm who makes the about face and says '4 fingers is 5 fingers' because the bullies insist.

My opinion of those who don't like strength of character has always been low, it can only be improved by growing some of their own. You should go watch the speech video and see what is NOT in it.

 

[Matt Gruber]

He never caught on as to why people came to America from all over the world.
The land of opportunity. The right to own property. The "pursuit of happiness" as a goal of the people, encouraged by the government.
Instead he tried to shut the boarders.

 

[flippy]

He never caught on as to why people came to America from all over the world.
The land of opportunity -if you are white-. The right to own property -if you are white-. The "pursuit of happiness" as a goal of the people, encouraged by the government -if you are white-.
Instead he tried to shut the boarders.

slight correction.

My opinion of those who don't like strength of character has always been low, it can only be improved by growing some of their own.

wich explains why you like and defend dictators.

 

[Matt Gruber]

He never caught on as to why people came to America from all over the world.
The land of opportunity -if you are white-. The right to own property -if you are white-. The "pursuit of happiness" as a goal of the people, encouraged by the government -if you are white-.
Instead he tried to shut the boarders.

slight correction.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't most freed slaves stay here? If i was kidnapped and enslaved, and then freed, i'd go home. Unless conditions were WORSE back home.
Anyway the constitution does say "all men are created equal" and blacks do own property, so i am totally confused by your butchering of my statement. I stand by my original statement, not your butchering. You appear to be a racist! SHAME ON YOU !

 

[flippy]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't most freed slaves stay here? If i was kidnapped and enslaved, and then freed, i'd go home. Unless conditions were WORSE back home.
Anyway the constitution does say "all men are created equal" and blacks do own property, so i am totally confused by your butchering of my statement. I stand by my original statement, not your butchering. You appear to be a racist! SHAME ON YOU !

talking about racism does not make someone a racist. might want to get that idea in your head if you want to talk about america's history. its basically all racism.

in case you did not notice: just a few days ago there was an attempt by actual racists to overtrow the american goverment.

your view about american africa-american history is so frocked up that is not even worth commenting on if you believe what you said in that comment.

ask yourself this first: how the frock would a black man go ANYWHERE with litteraly nothing in his pocket while standing in the middle of the most racist country in the known world? being "free" does not mean what you think it means when you are black. or do you believe black people were immediatly treated as equals when slavery was made illegal?

holy shit you are as stupid as you are white.

if they gave out "dumb frock" merit badges you would be scout master.

 

[Matt Gruber]

flippy
i have no interest is discussing history, you are right about that
YOU brought it up as if i'm some kind of history scholar
You could make a movie about it if you like
I deal with current events, and since you are a racist, i assume you voted for trump, as they say he attracts racists.
The Q is : Why did trump fail? I'd say he likes to blame others i.e immigrants and china. This made racists feel a kinship and they imagined he is a racist, since racists like to blame the "other" race, like you do.
Time to grow up and live in the 21st century. Your future is what YOU make of it.
Good luck

 

[leisesturm]

ask yourself this first: how the frock would a black man go ANYWHERE with litteraly nothing in his pocket while standing in the middle of the most racist country in the known world? being "free" does not mean what you think it means when you are black. or do you believe black people were immediatly treated as equals when slavery was made illegal?

holy shit you are as stupid as you are white.

if they gave out "dumb frock" merit badges you would be scout master.

Yup. That's about the size of it. Take the 'Toxic' line-up. Just the guys we know. Scale this up. You've got America. Is Biden safe? Is anybody?

 

[Dauntless]

My opinion of those who don't like strength of character has always been low, it can only be improved by growing some of their own.

wich explains why you like and defend dictators.

Nope, but it DOES leave you needing to explain why you say that. Without lying of course, it's always easy for you when you're lying.

Anyway the constitution does say "all men are created equal" and blacks do own property, so i am totally confused by your butchering of my statement. I stand by my original statement, not your butchering. You appear to be a racist! SHAME ON YOU !

Join the club. He's. . . .

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't most freed slaves stay here? If i was kidnapped and enslaved, and then freed, i'd go home. Unless conditions were WORSE back home.

Muhammad Ali spent I think more than a month in Zaire when his fight with George Foreman was delayed. Afterward he quipped 'I'm glad my granddaddy was on the boat.' It makes for quite a question how much better life was for some.

At the time slavery ended it had been illegal to import slaves long enough that there probably were no living that were legally imported. The illegal import would remain in small numbers, the population of slaves would be nearly all born here. And many had been freed long before, born free, etc. Little inspiration toward "Going Home."

The colonies of Liberia and Sierra Leone were started for sending exslaves back to Africa. The way they 'Go Home' is to accept the offer to be sent. There wasn't much enthusiasm among exslaves for going. Dang, a country of their own. But how good was life there, really? You have to remember many of the slaves knew how to be farm workers, which is not the same as knowing how to BE farmers. Be it metal smithing or whatever, both the number with skills and the level of those skills were probably low. The people who could have best led them, Fredrick Smalles, etc., didn't go and did well here. Collectively those colonies sound like a great opportunity, but individually you know there are always those colonists who fail quickly. What were an individuals real chances if they returned to Africa?

talking about racism does not make someone a racist.

Using "Racism" for your own twisted pleasure DOES make you a racist.

. . . . or do you believe black people were immediatly treated as equals when slavery was made illegal?

holy shit you are as stupid as you are white.

You mean were they immediately becoming judges, elected to local office, Congress, the Senate? Why yes, they WERE. I've mentioned Fredrick Smalles before, the Confederate sailor who waited for the white crew to go ashore, fired up the engines, sailed his ship north and surrendered. Before long he was commanding that very ship for the U.S. Navy, going to Congress, buying the house he'd grown up a slave in.

If you'd bother to learn history you'd be embarrassed by the fool you make of yourself on a regular basis. Louisiana had it's first black governor in 1872, he had been their 2nd black lieutenant governor at the time. But that doesn't fit the mantra of chanting ignorance as fact, does it?

Flippy, holy (Language I don't use) YOU are as stupid as an ignorant racist white liberal! (No small coincidence there, eh?)

flippy. . .since you are a racist, i assume you voted for trump, as they say he attracts racists.
The Q is : Why did trump fail?

Trump, two elections, two huge blocks of black votes by modern standards. Time was ALL the black votes went republican.

Trump did not fail. Where this board has always failed is in insisting all things are arguments, no discussion allowed. Hey, it's a DISCUSSION board, okay? But Trump would have done himself a favor if he hadn't let the Flippy's of the world drag him into it. The Flippy's of the world carry much blame. And they're proud of themselves for it.

But we could never have discussions here about what he could have done better. The flying monkeys were only looking to hate.

"dumb frock" merit badges

Yup. That's about the size of it. Take the 'Toxic' line-up. Just the guys we know. Scale this up. You've got America. Is Biden safe? Is anybody?

Yeah, you two deserve every merit badge in hate, ignorance, lying. What all DO the Flying Monkey Scouts give out these badges for?

 

[leisesturm]

Jesus wept. Another thread for the lock if there ever was one. Arguing strenuously that black Americans had the tools to repatriate themselves. Or should. OMG. I spent a good portion of my life thinking that white people didn't spend much time arguing over the secret lives of black folk. Then I married someone white and started to learn that, even with no blacks around, many a convo would turn southward and stall over the topic, dumping inches of ignorance and emotion in just hours. What's that about?
Now we have a national obsession with race because a RACIST made it all the way to the top. We've got Tea Party, Qanon and Alt-Right affiliated Republican Representatives and Senators. What chance does this country have? No one saw the Serbia/Bosnia clusterfrock coming. In fact, the opposite. The people in that region were being praised for their tolerance and willingness to put ethnic divisions aside. I'm not seeing much evidence that America can avoid a race war. Logistics of where to draw the battle fronts is probably the main inhibition.

 

[nicobie]

"Logistics of where to draw the battle fronts is probably the main inhibition."

So many targets, so little time.

 

[JackFlorey]

ask yourself this first: how the frock would a black man go ANYWHERE with litteraly nothing in his pocket while standing in the middle of the most racist country in the known world?

He'd just go to an airport and get on a plane. Heck, we've had those since the Revolutionary War.