There's nothing on the bike that can't be rebuilt or repaired. I just read your thread and wanted to give you some positive encouragement, the photos you took from your rides looked really cool, i hope there's gonna be more of them in your future!
My econo-e-bike
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A new wrinkle came up on resurrecting my bike. I just saw the new slew of ebike legislation our lame governor, with his dumb priorities, signed in as of Jan 1. Not sure if I’ll need to make things more stealthy or not, since it depends on enforcement.
Most ES builds would be illegal, as many/most e-bikes i see on the riding paths will be. Of course the really expensive mid drive e-bikes, like $pecialized meet the criteria for being legal. Maybe they participated in helping draft the laws (we wouldn’t know, since the new thing is that everyone involved has to sign NDAs so they can do all the shady back room deals they want and the public can never know).
My controller is no name and not labeled, and my heat sink mod covers the power markings on the motor. I hope the torque sensor works really well in case I need to ditch the throttle some day.
Most ES builds would be illegal, as many/most e-bikes i see on the riding paths will be. Of course the really expensive mid drive e-bikes, like $pecialized meet the criteria for being legal. Maybe they participated in helping draft the laws (we wouldn’t know, since the new thing is that everyone involved has to sign NDAs so they can do all the shady back room deals they want and the public can never know).
My controller is no name and not labeled, and my heat sink mod covers the power markings on the motor. I hope the torque sensor works really well in case I need to ditch the throttle some day.
What state/what legislation? Do you have a link to the legislation?A new wrinkle came up on resurrecting my bike. I just saw the new slew of ebike legislation our lame governor, with his dumb priorities, signed in as of Jan 1. Not sure if I’ll need to make things more stealthy or not, since it depends on enforcement.
Most ES builds would be illegal, as many/most e-bikes i see on the riding paths will be. Of course the really expensive mid drive e-bikes, like $pecialized meet the criteria for being legal. Maybe they participated in helping draft the laws (we wouldn’t know, since the new thing is that everyone involved has to sign NDAs so they can do all the shady back room deals they want and the public can never know).
My controller is no name and not labeled, and my heat sink mod covers the power markings on the motor. I hope the torque sensor works really well in case I need to ditch the throttle some day.
California. Haven’t seen it, but just been bombarded with YouTube videos trying to explain it all during the last week, now that folks figured out it flew in under the radar at the beginning of the year. Some videos have mothers supporting it from the “save our children” angle (maybe parenting never occurred to them, so better have the police handle it). Reading past legislation, they never really make things clear, which is often intentional anyway.
docw009
10 MW
I read that the new rules in California now explicitly ban throttles for class 3 ebikes, It seems to me that this was already true, but there are some bikes that limit throttle to 20 mph (class 2) and then run up to 28 mph with pedal assist. I'd have to agree with the stricter class 3 being pedal only, but if your bike can ghost pedal that fast, it;s almost like a throttle,
Bikes were always limited to 750W, but now that appears to apply to peak power. That part makes many new bikes over the limit,
I predict enforcement will be sporadic of course.
Bikes were always limited to 750W, but now that appears to apply to peak power. That part makes many new bikes over the limit,
I predict enforcement will be sporadic of course.
It’s almost like it’s not designed for direct enforcement (like how does a cop determine peak power), but for after the fact charges if something else goes wrong, and they can say the perp was riding a highly illegal ebike when they ran over a jogger. Seems like class 2 is out, which is a big category of non-Specialized bikes lol. The fine structure is interesting, and enough room to allow you to go the “ride it until they catch you” route before the fine gets too hefty.
If that's any consolation, current EU laws only classify e-bikes as: max 48V system (not specified if charged or nominal), max 250W drivetrain (not specified if continuous or peak), max speed 25km/h with progressive support reduction, no throttle allowed.
Anything else falls into an out-of-classification two-wheelers (not motorcycles, because motorcycles are a homologated subset of those) and effectively aren't allowed to ride anywhere except private land.
At least around here, virtually noone cares as long as you don't ride like an idiot, but I know that UK, Germany and NL are getting much stricter with their inspections.
Anything else falls into an out-of-classification two-wheelers (not motorcycles, because motorcycles are a homologated subset of those) and effectively aren't allowed to ride anywhere except private land.
At least around here, virtually noone cares as long as you don't ride like an idiot, but I know that UK, Germany and NL are getting much stricter with their inspections.
Sadly if the current propensity for creating tons of poorly written “knee jerk reaction” laws existed at the turn of the last century, we probably would never have had cars or anything motorized on the streets. Back to dirt roads and horse drawn wagons.
Up until now, nobody here has cared much, so I’ll take a wait and see approach.
Hey, remember the red flag thing in London? That's how I feel about current e-bike laws.
en.wikipedia.org
Red flag traffic laws - Wikipedia
Could it be in reaction to the disruptive events from the "hooligan youth ebike gangs" that have been happening in So. Cal.? Ex: Tossing firecrackers as bombs into dumpsters and then running from (into?) the police?
I'm sure they are already breaking other laws with their behavior anyway. But, absent enforcement, the current mentality is just to make another law so the gov appears to be doing something about it, which is easier than figuring out how to enforce the current laws without police. You know, the California way, offer counseling and support through social workers. That will stop them, by showing them a better way. Maybe go gluten free, and stuff like that; we all know the benefits of good nutrition lol.
marvin78
10 kW
Same here...
When our coppers started ordering roller benches to 'test' ebikes on, I was a bit worried. But those roller benches are not capable of testing for power at all, they require a cop to sit on the bike and pedal it and they 'manually' determine if there is assistance past the legal limit.
I am Dutch, the above is for all Dutch 'inspections'. The people I see getting busted by random checks are all behaving like knobs, cops who are not involved in a big traffic check won't look at you twice if you're riding normally. And the big roundups, they don't happen often and even when they do I've found they concentrate on the young kids on fatbikes more then on people riding mtb's with added middrives.
It usually is, our 'crackdown' was instigated by our media covering the stark increase in more serious accidents due to unrestricted fatbikes in the hands of teens. This is also I feel the reason most cops will ignore you unless you fall into that category.
As to your US ebike laws and what sparked them, I have a feeling you can blame Surronster and people like that for riding their edirtbikes everywhere in manners which aren't making them very popular with other road users.
