Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

crea2k said:
I think 24s would only be an advantage if you ride on road a lot, for the extra speed, I run 18s5p on mine and it will still do 60mph + with OVS on 3-4 .

And that's what I said if you had a 24s pack then it would still run if you didn't want to split it up. I now have a 21S9P pack 29e cells running a 4065 with a top speed of 75KPH with OVS on 4.
Is this with a Cro, and what other setting have you changed. I haven't tried my Adaptto with my cro yet. I need to buy some of the connectors so I can soldier up a harness for my Phasor. It has the cro V2 on.
 
Iv got a cro v3 , the OVS is on either 3 or 4, the PWR is on 1.2 I think. You can put the OVS on 7 if you want, mine did some ridiculous speed with it on that, it just makes the motor less efficient though as it increases the lead angle.
 
The controller will put out max power only at 92V or below. from 92-98V power will be reduced continuously..
As Doc mentionend due to voltage spikes at high phase current its better to only use 20s and ramp up current with unlocked firmware. from what i know 200A batt should be in the safe region at 20s :twisted:
 
madin88 said:
The controller will put out max power only at 92V or below. from 92-98V power will be reduced continuously..
As Doc mentionend due to voltage spikes at high phase current its better to only use 20s and ramp up current with unlocked firmware. from what i know 200A batt should be in the safe region at 20s :twisted:

Wish I knew more about how this voltage exactly works. I thought adaptto recommended 22s to leave enough room for these voltage spikes. Now it is 20s for optimal safety?

Doc also mentioned in that post he likes 22s.

I would prefer the 22s over the 18s or 20s because I find myself using OVS a lot for gaining more speed with my smaller 17" tire. Maybe smaller tires won't voltage spike as high?
 
I believe limiting is based on battery current-- as long as your pack voltage is under 92v (e.g., ~22s) then power won't be limited.
 
Adaptto do not recommend voltages higher than 22s, just because something does work (24s) does not mean it's a good idea. As well as the fact that you're running very close to the voltage limits, there's not really any advantage in volting up using this controller. Using OVS you're able to put down full power to 50% higher of the standard KV - my Cromotor would max out at 60Km/h on infineon crystalyte controller, on Max-e I have had it up to 90km/h and still pulling using exactly the same battery pack. If you still desire speed more than 50% higher than its winding, you're using the wrong motor in the first place! My cromotor no load with OVS in a 24" wheel is beyond 99km/h on 20s (as high as the display goes). How fast do you really want to go on a bike?

18s-20s I believe is the sweet spot for battery packs intended for use with the Adaptto controllers. There's no real justification for higher than that. It adds complexity (more cells, more cell level monitoring wires), it adds risk that comes from higher voltages and building a 22s pack is a lot more difficult from hobby lipo than simply paralleling off the shelf 4s packs and plugging them straight into the BMS. The old school mentality prevalent on this board (which is absolutely correct in context of older controllers) is to volt up for more power - this just simply isn't required with Adaptto. Just increase current! The disposable nature of the basic trap controllers meant that blowing up some fets wasn't such a big deal, blowing up a max-e is no fun.
 
Ohbse said:
Adaptto do not recommend voltages higher than 22s, just because something does work (24s) does not mean it's a good idea. As well as the fact that you're running very close to the voltage limits, there's not really any advantage in volting up using this controller. Using OVS you're able to put down full power to 50% higher of the standard KV - my Cromotor would max out at 60Km/h on infineon crystalyte controller, on Max-e I have had it up to 90km/h and still pulling using exactly the same battery pack. If you still desire speed more than 50% higher than its winding, you're using the wrong motor in the first place! My cromotor no load with OVS in a 24" wheel is beyond 99km/h on 20s (as high as the display goes). How fast do you really want to go on a bike?

18s-20s I believe is the sweet spot for battery packs intended for use with the Adaptto controllers. There's no real justification for higher than that. It adds complexity (more cells, more cell level monitoring wires), it adds risk that comes from higher voltages and building a 22s pack is a lot more difficult from hobby lipo than simply paralleling off the shelf 4s packs and plugging them straight into the BMS. The old school mentality prevalent on this board (which is absolutely correct in context of older controllers) is to volt up for more power - this just simply isn't required with Adaptto. Just increase current! The disposable nature of the basic trap controllers meant that blowing up some fets wasn't such a big deal, blowing up a max-e is no fun.

whats the efficiency hit like? does anyone know?
 
I am very curious to see how the Max-E like my high speed winding hub motor ( the old great X5 5302) and 22s NMC and 350A phase current :twisted:

My guess is that if the phase current remain acceptable limit it will spin over 200km/h+ no load and my NYX bike will reach the speed that 12kW will allow witch is about 120kmh+ I guess

With my cheap chineese controller and 90V I was reaching 160km/h (no load )no ovs or timing tuning.. back in 2009

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Doc
 
Doc I think the new firmware will limit your no load speed. This is to prevent blown fets. I could get over 200km/h with my 5403 and rc7b firmware on 20s. And when you have OVS enabled and drop the throttle at 200km/h, the motor have so high RPM that it will create voltages beyond the Controller limits and this can blow it.
 
Allex said:
Doc I think the new firmware will limit your no load speed. This is to prevent blown fets. I could get over 200km/h with my 5403 and rc7b firmware on 20s. And when you have OVS enabled and drop the throttle at 200km/h, the motor have so high RPM that it will create voltages beyond the Controller limits and this can blow it.


Ok i see perfectly what you mean.. i'll be carefull then :D

Doc
 
whats the kV of this motor?
 
madin88 said:
whats the kV of this motor?

The KV is 18 if i remember correctly! :twisted:

yes... 18

A pure torture for controllers !! but that motor stay cold like ice

but the powerband is really large and impressive.. you feel intense acceleration even at 90kmh !!

It's like your controller drive a shorted output !!

Doc
 
18 :shock:

i seem to recall andreym had a special cromotor he got wound to use with a max-e.
i think he got 90kph on 48v...
 
ridethelightning said:
i seem to recall andreym had a special cromotor he got wound to use with a max-e.
i think he got 90kph on 48v...


Yes ... and i might get one of these :twisted:

The advantage with buying high Kv motor is that you can rewire them easy into torque version.. just like the 5302-5304 X5 motor does. this leave you the choice between both torque or speed depending on the way you wire the winding end connections!.

Doc
 
Ohbse said:
Adaptto do not recommend voltages higher than 22s, just because something does work (24s) does not mean it's a good idea. As well as the fact that you're running very close to the voltage limits, there's not really any advantage in volting up using this controller. Using OVS you're able to put down full power to 50% higher of the standard KV - my Cromotor would max out at 60Km/h on infineon crystalyte controller, on Max-e I have had it up to 90km/h and still pulling using exactly the same battery pack. If you still desire speed more than 50% higher than its winding, you're using the wrong motor in the first place! My cromotor no load with OVS in a 24" wheel is beyond 99km/h on 20s (as high as the display goes). How fast do you really want to go on a bike?

18s-20s I believe is the sweet spot for battery packs intended for use with the Adaptto controllers. There's no real justification for higher than that. It adds complexity (more cells, more cell level monitoring wires), it adds risk that comes from higher voltages and building a 22s pack is a lot more difficult from hobby lipo than simply paralleling off the shelf 4s packs and plugging them straight into the BMS. The old school mentality prevalent on this board (which is absolutely correct in context of older controllers) is to volt up for more power - this just simply isn't required with Adaptto. Just increase current! The disposable nature of the basic trap controllers meant that blowing up some fets wasn't such a big deal, blowing up a max-e is no fun.


This is why I run 18s5p for, iv even experimented with 18s6p with some of the batteries outside the bike just to add some extra range for trips over 50-60 miles. With that many packs in parallel it just destroys any hills, as the current is just crazy. I can also say that blowing up a max-e is not nice, when they go pop, they go pop properly and fry more than just the fets, and all I was doing was charging it, the same as I have done for the last 6 months.
 
Allex said:
Doc I think the new firmware will limit your no load speed. This is to prevent blown fets. I could get over 200km/h with my 5403 and rc7b firmware on 20s. And when you have OVS enabled and drop the throttle at 200km/h, the motor have so high RPM that it will create voltages beyond the Controller limits and this can blow it.

Iv had 85mph with mine on OVS 7 unloaded, it goes crazy fast.
 
Good to see we are getting some comments about what these controllers can do.
crea2k said:
Allex said:
Doc I think the new firmware will limit your no load speed. This is to prevent blown fets. I could get over 200km/h with my 5403 and rc7b firmware on 20s. And when you have OVS enabled and drop the throttle at 200km/h, the motor have so high RPM that it will create voltages beyond the Controller limits and this can blow it.

Iv had 85mph with mine on OVS 7 unloaded, it goes crazy fast.


I have 124kms an hour unloaded with my 4080 and 95 odd with my 4065. But as soon as I do a speed test amps are significantly reduced using my 21s9p pack with a BMS.

On the weekend I will wire it up with my max-e with my cromotor and JonesCGs 40c pack.
 
Does anyone know if the color display is available? I saw it there : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37377. They promised it should has been ready on July 2012 but I never saw it for real. :(
 
graoully said:
Does anyone know if the color display is available? I saw it there : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37377. They promised it should has been ready on July 2012 but I never saw it for real. :(


I think thats been put on the back burner, as not seen any mention of it anywhere.
 
Doctorbass said:
crea2k said:
To test the hardware put in a sd card, then instead of clicking firmware update click the hardware test, this will let you test all the buttons then.

That's a great advice but on that older version max-E the firmware can not be updated. the hardware to do that exist bt the function seem to not be fully working. ( I get a blank screen after I activate the firmware update action)

Thanks anyway!

Doc

how can i find out if it is old or new controller or whats the difference (in hardware)? I know about LCD V5 and V6, but not more..
my Max-E is about 16 month old.
 
madin88 said:
Doctorbass said:
crea2k said:
To test the hardware put in a sd card, then instead of clicking firmware update click the hardware test, this will let you test all the buttons then.

That's a great advice but on that older version max-E the firmware can not be updated. the hardware to do that exist bt the function seem to not be fully working. ( I get a blank screen after I activate the firmware update action)

Thanks anyway!

Doc

how can i find out if it is old or new controller or whats the difference (in hardware)? I know about LCD V5 and V6, but not more..
my Max-E is about 16 month old.
Doc and I got preproduction units a long time ago. I think if you got one through normal channels, it's 'new hardware' and can have FW upgraded. My first one is not listed on the FW upgrade page, and I know its BMS was definitely beta...
 
Got my Max-E back from warranty, took only about 10 days from Russia to my home in New York. Won't be able to check it out for a few more months because I'm in Asia.

I wanted to ask if anyone is going to unlock their controller after warranty? My reasoning is that I would like to increase the phase amps a bit to be more like my old Lyen controller. I don't know if I'm going to increase it as much as that, but just a bit more as it definitely lacks the phase amps the lyen 18fet had.

Just wondering your thoughts as most of our controllers will be out of warranty soon. I figure increasing it a bit shouldn't blow it up and if it does hopefully Adaptto won't charge a lot to fix it as it will be out of warranty and unlocked.
 
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