Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

[Jonboy]

Thanks Allex, Quick Q: When it's left on can the throttle be disabled?

With my theoretical setup I'd be looking at 128amps max before the c rate stress the multistars. so in reality I guess stuffing 110 -120.

It's a bigish unit & space counts .. But "I think they can be split" so if they can at least it's just a flick of the switch to get going again if the current is to much, but as you say one is cool.....

Many thanks

 

[Seven]

I am with Alex, I'm only using one 63a breaker and haven't had it trip even with all the settings maxed out with a QS V3 motor

 

[ecross]

this are the stock caps:

http://www.elektronik.ropla.eu/en/magazyn/magazyn/?ic=JAM0564

i have replaced three of them with this guys:

https://www.rutronik24.com/product/rubycon/100zlj820m18x40/5259129.html
http://www.rubycon.co.jp/de/catalog/e_pdfs/aluminum/e_zlj.pdf

they have 350µF more, can carry four times the ripple current and have five times higher load life!

one 560µF 15x35,5mm i have installed additional + 7 pcs ceramic caps (four at the input and one at each group of FET's)

it was no hard work to make all fit and soldering is nice on the the copper bus bars. what it needs is plenty of time and and care.

some pics

before:

after:

wires:

@Madin88: have you ever test your modding, please send some setups and the max. ratings after the great modding

 

[Allex]

Thanks Allex, Quick Q: When it's left on can the throttle be disabled?

With my theoretical setup I'd be looking at 128amps max before the c rate stress the multistars. so in reality I guess stuffing 110 -120.

It's a bigish unit & space counts .. But "I think they can be split" so if they can at least it's just a flick of the switch to get going again if the current is to much, but as you say one is cool.....

Many thanks

You have a few choises:
Lock the screen with password
Place keyswitch on the display to turn it off
Place keyswitch on the controller, like Oleg suggested.

 

[Wheazel]

Anyone in here with input on how the adaptto maxe works together with a revolt 120 motor?

Theres an Anton Simonov on YT that have video of this combo posted.
I have asked for an opinion of the combo, but I havent gotten any reply.
I dont understand the russian in the video if he says something that answers my question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrGe2HO2dQ

Grateful for any info!

 

[Allex]

In the video, he first tests it with square wave and gets around 250W in consumption, then he changes to sine wave and gets 1250W at the same RPM. So 1000Watt just goes do heat. His conclusion is that Adaptto works best with slow DD hubmotors.

 

[striker54]

Anyone in here with input on how the adaptto maxe works together with a revolt 120 motor?

Theres an Anton Simonov on YT that have video of this combo posted.
I have asked for an opinion of the combo, but I havent gotten any reply.
I dont understand the russian in the video if he says something that answers my question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrGe2HO2dQ

Grateful for any info!

Maybe GreeRoad can help you. He also uses high Kv motors: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61183&start=1300#p1020757

 

[madin88]

@Madin88: have you ever test your modding, please send some setups and the max. ratings after the great modding

by now i have not hooked it up with a motor, but the display works (and flashing firmware)
the max ratings?
thats hard to say and i will definitely not try to find it out because this would mean i need to blow it.
ater testing it i will flash the unlocked firmare and will try max 200A batt and 400A phase. 20s battery. 12kV mxus.

 

[ecross]

@Madin88: have you ever test your modding, please send some setups and the max. ratings after the great modding

by now i have not hooked it up with a motor, but the display works (and flashing firmware)
the max ratings?
thats hard to say and i will definitely not try to find it out because this would mean i need to blow it.
ater testing it i will flash the unlocked firmare and will try max 200A batt and 400A phase. 20s battery. 12kV mxus.

@madin88: -you are right, 150 - 200A battery current are ok for the 4503 motor, keep us informed, how can I change to unlocked firmware?

 

[ohzee]

Tonight I was wiring and setting up my BMS on my max-e. I had just setup the amp and watt hours along with lower/upper cut off.

Saved the setting and went back to the main menu. I noticed !BMS! on the screen I had thought and I think I hit he left arrow.

Then the screen went to LOCKED enter password. Which is stange because I have never enabled or set that up. I had just done
one test ride on the bike the day prior and the the only thing different. today was setting up the BMS.

There does not seem to be a default password i can find. Cutting power and turning back one it goes right back to the locked screen.

So I am at a loss. No one else has messed with this as it's in my locked garage. Any ideas ? Disconnecting the bms still have the same issue.

 

[bowlofsalad]

I don't yet have a KTY83 thermistor that comes with an adaptto, but I have several motors that lack KTY83 sensors. I am looking on digikey for one and I've found 2, one has a 1k ohm resistance, the other has 990. Anyone know which to get?

Thanks

 

[ohzee]

Tonight I was wiring and setting up my BMS on my max-e. I had just setup the amp and watt hours along with lower/upper cut off.

Saved the setting and went back to the main menu. I noticed !BMS! on the screen I had thought and I think I hit he left arrow.

Then the screen went to LOCKED enter password. Which is stange because I have never enabled or set that up. I had just done
one test ride on the bike the day prior and the the only thing different. today was setting up the BMS.

There does not seem to be a default password i can find. Cutting power and turning back one it goes right back to the locked screen.

So I am at a loss. No one else has messed with this as it's in my locked garage. Any ideas ? Disconnecting the bms still have the same issue.

Misc Settings

1. Lock controller.
When a password is "master password", then triple pressing "back" from the main screen controller switches to lockout.
When this option enabled Anti thief, the controller will also resist rotation of the motor in the lock mode.
Accordingly, the lock mode can be removed only by password (a combination of arrows), at the end of the input by pressing the "back" button.
Controller when power remembers the lock and when the power resumes it.
You can set a password in the section menu controller setup. Password combination is typed arrows LYUOM combination and ends with the "back".

So I think this is what happened. I hit back 3 times and it switched to lockout , but I never setup a pass. Is there a default ?

 

[striker54]

Tonight I was wiring and setting up my BMS on my max-e. I had just setup the amp and watt hours along with lower/upper cut off.

Saved the setting and went back to the main menu. I noticed !BMS! on the screen I had thought and I think I hit he left arrow.

Then the screen went to LOCKED enter password. Which is stange because I have never enabled or set that up. I had just done
one test ride on the bike the day prior and the the only thing different. today was setting up the BMS.

There does not seem to be a default password i can find. Cutting power and turning back one it goes right back to the locked screen.

So I am at a loss. No one else has messed with this as it's in my locked garage. Any ideas ? Disconnecting the bms still have the same issue.

Misc Settings

1. Lock controller.
When a password is "master password", then triple pressing "back" from the main screen controller switches to lockout.
When this option enabled Anti thief, the controller will also resist rotation of the motor in the lock mode.
Accordingly, the lock mode can be removed only by password (a combination of arrows), at the end of the input by pressing the "back" button.
Controller when power remembers the lock and when the power resumes it.
You can set a password in the section menu controller setup. Password combination is typed arrows LYUOM combination and ends with the "back".

So I think this is what happened. I hit back 3 times and it switched to lockout , but I never setup a pass. Is there a default ?

Don't know if there is a default but i think that with a firmware rewrite you can remove it.

 

[ohzee]

Man I hope you are right. I was wondering if I tried to update the firmware it would over write or even allow me to do that.

Going to read up on that now. Anyone know for sure ?

Thanks for the reply.


***EDIT*** I looked into it.

Ok I know for sure now. Flashing does NOT reset the password. It let me flash it fine , but afterwards on boot comes right back up to
LOCKED enter password.

I am still at a loss as I would not want to use a password nor set one up. Hopefully there's some default I can try to remove it.

 

[GreenRoad]

In the video, he first tests it with square wave and gets around 250W in consumption, then he changes to sine wave and gets 1250W at the same RPM. So 1000Watt just goes do heat. His conclusion is that Adaptto works best with slow DD hubmotors.

thats not right - the adaptto works also fine with outrunner motors.
We use it with the torcman CPD System - without any problems - now about 600km on my bike.

The important thing are the right setting - you should know what you are doing if you change the settings.
Autosetup with the adaptto a high Speed outrunners does not realy work - (for me)

The other thing with outrunner motors is, that they need some load - if you spin the motor without any load - it could be that you get a high power consumption.
But if you limit the maximum speed without any load of the motor - it should go down.
At my first testing - i get higher power consumption at no load - at the prozess of the autosetup - if i get in real life - on road - under load.

Thats why outrunners motors are a little bit tricky to get to work at the adaptto system - but it works - you have to find the right settings - then everything should okay.

 

[Wheazel]

thats not right - the adaptto works also fine with outrunner motors.
We use it with the torcman CPD System - without any problems - now about 600km on my bike.

The important thing are the right setting - you should know what you are doing if you change the settings.
Autosetup with the adaptto a high Speed outrunners does not realy work - (for me)

The other thing with outrunner motors is, that they need some load - if you spin the motor without any load - it could be that you get a high power consumption.
But if you limit the maximum speed without any load of the motor - it should go down.
At my first testing - i get higher power consumption at no load - at the prozess of the autosetup - if i get in real life - on road - under load.

Thats why outrunners motors are a little bit tricky to get to work at the adaptto system - but it works - you have to find the right settings - then everything should okay.

Would the load from a large propeller be good for tuning parameters? what are the risks involved with changing them? (I dont even know what parameters that can be changed within the adaptto)

 

[Wheazel]

thats not right - the adaptto works also fine with outrunner motors.
We use it with the torcman CPD System - without any problems - now about 600km on my bike.

The important thing are the right setting - you should know what you are doing if you change the settings.
Autosetup with the adaptto a high Speed outrunners does not realy work - (for me)

The other thing with outrunner motors is, that they need some load - if you spin the motor without any load - it could be that you get a high power consumption.
But if you limit the maximum speed without any load of the motor - it should go down.
At my first testing - i get higher power consumption at no load - at the prozess of the autosetup - if i get in real life - on road - under load.

Thats why outrunners motors are a little bit tricky to get to work at the adaptto system - but it works - you have to find the right settings - then everything should okay.

Would the load from a large propeller be good for tuning parameters? what are the risks involved with changing them? (I dont even know what parameters that can be changed within the adaptto)

 

[GreenRoad]

Would the load from a large propeller be good for tuning parameters? what are the risks involved with changing them? (I dont even know what parameters that can be changed within the adaptto)

To find the right settings is very important- the revolt should work without any problems.
I did not try any revolt, but there are people who use this motor with other controllers - so it should be no problems with the adaptto controller

First use the autosetup to get
angle corr / Ind timing - this are the important settings to get the motor run

Then you have to play with
PWM rise lim / SPD smooth /PWR timing /OVS timing

I put my bike on a "hometrainer" - to get some load on the wheel to check the settings.
The other thing is to test the settings in real life - its easy with the adaptto because you could change the setting on your trip - and you dont need an laptop with you - which is verry good - special to find the right settings.

 

[Cowardlyduck]

Here's a mod made to my Mini-E with 2 fans and a heat-sink.

Not sure how much heat it will remove, and it will be some time before I find out because of other work still to be done on my motor.
I'm hoping it will allow 4-5KW continuous without overheating.

The heat-sink is from E-bay: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121532652740?

The fans are Yeah Racing fans with 5.13CFM: http://www.rcmart.com/rc-yeah-racing-ya0201-tornado-high-speed-25x25mm-p-29521.html

They will probably get dirty/wet/muddy etc over time...but they are cheap, and that is why I have some spares.
I attached them with strong double sided tape for now. If it fails, I will probably just epoxy them.

The thermal paste is some of the best out there...for CPU's at least:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121405296689?

One of the other reasons I did this mod was I needed to reduce the voltage getting to the fans I'm going to be running inside my motor if I wanted to run them in series directly off a higher voltage battery.
This way I don't have to mess around with a DC-DC converter (again).

Cheers

 

[ohzee]

Controller is now unlocked.

There was something that was controller number specific. All good now.

Maiden voyage here i come.

 

[striker54]

Controller is now unlocked.

There was something that was controller number specific. All good now.

Maiden voyage here i come.

How did you unlocked it?

 

[madin88]

Controller is now unlocked.

it will not take long before we see a thread about replacing blown FET's on adaptto controllers :lol:

 

[striker54]

Controller is now unlocked.

it will not take long before we see a thread about replacing blown FET's on adaptto controllers :lol:

~

it's not unlocked firmware.
it's unlocked from the password.

 

[ohzee]

thanks Striker.

Yea not looking to push this controller anymore then it's willing to let me with the default sw.

Other then hitting back 3 times I did nothing wrong nor setup a password causing my issue. somehow this controller
had a default password. sounds like in updating the fw that carried over or im not sure. All good now so I am happy.

 

[ridethelightning]

what steps did you take to fix the actual situation? would be helpful in case other folks have same issue...