Adding throttle conrol and removing speed limitor from REI co-op1.2e.

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So I have read some post...but none are filling in the gaps or posting results of their Inquiry.

I know that buy buying a 100$ cable...we can reprogram the speed limit or to 38-39mph with peddling.

But I feel the motor can do more.

Touches on a few things about changing out the controller. But again have no knowlege of which one is ideal to get.

Wanted to see of there is a solution to add a throttle and perhaps take off speed limit off.
 
I know that buy buying a 100$ cable...we can reprogram the speed limit or to 38-39mph with peddling.

Wanted to see of there is a solution to add a throttle and perhaps take off speed limit off.
Seems like you already figured out how to do the latter. But the good news is, since it's a geared hub, you can pedal as fast as you want even without reprogramming and save $100.
 
I know that buy buying a 100$ cable...we can reprogram the speed limit or to 38-39mph with peddling.

But I feel the motor can do more.

Touches on a few things about changing out the controller. But again have no knowlege of which one is ideal to get.

Wanted to see of there is a solution to add a throttle and perhaps take off speed limit off.
38-39mph will take, on flat well-paved roads with no wind, about 2500W out of the battery. Basic quick simulation using a 72v battery and the GMAC in a 26" wheel and a 40A controller:
It will overheat the motor doing this in about 12 minutes.

If you have headwinds, hills, or non-flat/paved roads, then it will take more power than that to do the work; you can use that linked simulation to guesstimate different scenarios.

GraphSyst A
Wheel Torq43.0Nm
Mtr Power2352W
Load2353W
Efficiency85.3%
RPM522.6 rpm


ElectricalSyst A
Mtr Amps49.1A
Batt Power2756W
Batt Amps39.1A
Batt Volts70.5V


PerformanceSyst A
Acceleration-0.00 mph/s
Consumption67.8 Wh/mi
Range23 mi
Overheat In12 minutes
Final Temp194 °C


Is this the bike you have?
If not, please link to the specific one you have so we can see what you've got to work with so we can make specific suggestions.

For now, going with the specs on that page (quoted at the end of the post), it says there's a 350w bafang geared hubmotor in a 20" wheel, with a 48v/14Ah / 672Wh battery.

So to do your ~40mph it will take about 7 times the amount of power that motor is "rated" to take. Even though it could take more (maybe 500-600w+) for short perioids, at seven times that it will probably fail in a few minutes or less from overheating. So you'll need to replace it with something capable of handling at least 2500w; none of the geared motors do this so it will be a heavier and larger DD hubmotor, perhaps the QSmotors' (not the clones, but the actual one) QS205-50H as it is better quality than most of the ones I've seen the insides of.

Since it's nominal speed is around 20mph (even without a limiter it probably can't go very much faster with the equipment on the bike), then to go twice tthat speed you'll need to replace the battery with one about twice the voltage you already have, about 96v, to spin that motor fast enough in that small wheel.

The controller you have can't take that, so you'll need a new one capable of at least 2500w and 96v and 26A+ battery current (possibly with higher peaks during acceleration)..

The battery you have doesn't have enough voltage, so it has to be replaced for that with a 96v or higher voltage battery, and it will have to be able to supply 26A continuously (possibly with higher peaks during acceleration).

I'm not sure that the bike itself and it's brakes and such can safely handle the extra speed either, but I don't know the bike and it's components well enough to say for sure, and it also depends on your riding conditions style / terrain / etc.


Technical Specs​

Best UseRecreational Cycling
Urban Cycling
E-Bike ClassificationClass 1: pedal assist up to 20 mph
MotorBafang 350W with Bafang 48V/14AH removable battery
Motor TypeGeared Hub
Motor Torque (Nm)80 Newton meters
Battery TypeLithium Ion
Battery Capacity (Wh)672 watt hours
Battery RemovableYes
Charge Time (hrs)8 hours
Pedal Assist Range40-50 miles
Frame6061 Aluminum
Step-ThroughYes
Bike SuspensionNo Suspension
Fork TravelNot Applicable
CranksetAlloy with 48T steel chainring
Bottom BracketBafang
ShiftersShimano Altus, EZ-Fire, 7-speed
Rear DerailleurShimano Altus, 7-speed
Rear Cogs11-34T 7-speed freewheel
Number of Gears7 gear(s)
Brake TypeHydraulic Disc Brake
BrakesTektro Hydraulic with 180 mm rotors
Brake LeversTektro
RimsCo-op Cycles double-wall, 36h
Front Hub15 mm thru-axle 36 Hole alloy
Rear Hub36 hole
Wheel Size20 inches
TiresSchwalbe Super-Moto-X with Double Defense GreenGuard puncture protection
Tire Width2.4 inches
Handlebar ShapeRiser Bar
HandlebarCo-op Cycles 6061 aluminum
StemPromax HQ adjustable
Seat PostCo-op Cycles aluminum
SaddleCo-op Cycles Comfort Plus with memory foam
PedalsFPD alloy
Headset1-1/8 x 1-1/2 in. threadless
ChainKMC for e-bike
Weight54 pounds
Bike WeightBike weight is based on median size, as sold, or the average of two median sizes.
GenderUnisex
SustainabilityFrom a Climate Neutral Certified brand
 
38-39mph will take, on flat well-paved roads with no wind, about 2500W out of the battery. Basic quick simulation using a 72v battery and the GMAC in a 26" wheel and a 40A controller:
It will overheat the motor doing this in about 12 minutes.

If you have headwinds, hills, or non-flat/paved roads, then it will take more power than that to do the work; you can use that linked simulation to guesstimate different scenarios.

GraphSyst A
Wheel Torq43.0Nm
Mtr Power2352W
Load2353W
Efficiency85.3%
RPM522.6 rpm


ElectricalSyst A
Mtr Amps49.1A
Batt Power2756W
Batt Amps39.1A
Batt Volts70.5V


PerformanceSyst A
Acceleration-0.00 mph/s
Consumption67.8 Wh/mi
Range23 mi
Overheat In12 minutes
Final Temp194 °C


Is this the bike you have?
If not, please link to the specific one you have so we can see what you've got to work with so we can make specific suggestions.

For now, going with the specs on that page (quoted at the end of the post), it says there's a 350w bafang geared hubmotor in a 20" wheel, with a 48v/14Ah / 672Wh battery.

So to do your ~40mph it will take about 7 times the amount of power that motor is "rated" to take. Even though it could take more (maybe 500-600w+) for short perioids, at seven times that it will probably fail in a few minutes or less from overheating. So you'll need to replace it with something capable of handling at least 2500w; none of the geared motors do this so it will be a heavier and larger DD hubmotor, perhaps the QSmotors' (not the clones, but the actual one) QS205-50H as it is better quality than most of the ones I've seen the insides of.

Since it's nominal speed is around 20mph (even without a limiter it probably can't go very much faster with the equipment on the bike), then to go twice tthat speed you'll need to replace the battery with one about twice the voltage you already have, about 96v, to spin that motor fast enough in that small wheel.

The controller you have can't take that, so you'll need a new one capable of at least 2500w and 96v and 26A+ battery current (possibly with higher peaks during acceleration)..

The battery you have doesn't have enough voltage, so it has to be replaced for that with a 96v or higher voltage battery, and it will have to be able to supply 26A continuously (possibly with higher peaks during acceleration).

I'm not sure that the bike itself and it's brakes and such can safely handle the extra speed either, but I don't know the bike and it's components well enough to say for sure, and it also depends on your riding conditions style / terrain / etc.


Technical Specs​

Best UseRecreational Cycling
Urban Cycling
E-Bike ClassificationClass 1: pedal assist up to 20 mph
MotorBafang 350W with Bafang 48V/14AH removable battery
Motor TypeGeared Hub
Motor Torque (Nm)80 Newton meters
Battery TypeLithium Ion
Battery Capacity (Wh)672 watt hours
Battery RemovableYes
Charge Time (hrs)8 hours
Pedal Assist Range40-50 miles
Frame6061 Aluminum
Step-ThroughYes
Bike SuspensionNo Suspension
Fork TravelNot Applicable
CranksetAlloy with 48T steel chainring
Bottom BracketBafang
ShiftersShimano Altus, EZ-Fire, 7-speed
Rear DerailleurShimano Altus, 7-speed
Rear Cogs11-34T 7-speed freewheel
Number of Gears7 gear(s)
Brake TypeHydraulic Disc Brake
BrakesTektro Hydraulic with 180 mm rotors
Brake LeversTektro
RimsCo-op Cycles double-wall, 36h
Front Hub15 mm thru-axle 36 Hole alloy
Rear Hub36 hole
Wheel Size20 inches
TiresSchwalbe Super-Moto-X with Double Defense GreenGuard puncture protection
Tire Width2.4 inches
Handlebar ShapeRiser Bar
HandlebarCo-op Cycles 6061 aluminum
StemPromax HQ adjustable
Seat PostCo-op Cycles aluminum
SaddleCo-op Cycles Comfort Plus with memory foam
PedalsFPD alloy
Headset1-1/8 x 1-1/2 in. threadless
ChainKMC for e-bike
Weight54 pounds
Bike WeightBike weight is based on median size, as sold, or the average of two median sizes.
GenderUnisex
SustainabilityFrom a Climate Neutral Certified brand

Hey amberwolf - thanks for the above. Curious - seems like the Bafang BESST tool adjustment thats out there might onky eek 3-4 more mph out if this. What would be the most “bang for the buck” upgrade on the above bike for more power? Controller upgrade? Coming from a class 3 that got stolen so used to 28mph vs 20. Thank you!
 
You need more battery before you do anything. 14Ah pack, so likely 4P based on the case size, with 3500mAh cells. The specs don’t say which cells, but if they are Samsung 35E, then they can do 8A but with a fair amount of sag. 20A to 25A is more like it to not abuse the pack; so 1200W, or 1440W if you pull 30A. So besides not having the voltage, you don’t have the current/power.
EDIT looks like they are LG MJ1 cells, so good for 10A max instead of 8A.
 
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