AM dual motor = bafang middrive + rear hub motor

John Bozi said:
DONT FEEl good bout 12v on 48v.

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Dont worry about the voltage, they can handle big amp draws from a starter motor

She'll be right mate were stralian

A precharge circuit would be recomended though so the arc doesn't wear away the contacts

or you could go all fancy with relays, or just unplug the battery :)
 
I had huge rides yesterday.

Just been getting into riding in the dark up the mountain and stopping in the pitch black and just looking up at the sky and listening to nature.

Came back down and wondered how I look going past people heading up there.

just a ball of light really.

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used a new pack 12s (the two that burnt my hands) in camera case on the side of my body. the weight felt unnoticable to enjoying the ride although it was annoying if it moved above my knee to pedal, they were hot at the end of the ride. pretty well punished them down to the lvc, then swapped over to the mounted pack.
don't like being tied the lipo with my camera case, because I realised I can't throw the strap over my helmet. I wonder if they warmed so much was because they are very new or because I wrapped them in lots of bubble wrap and other sponge and it was hot day or all of the above...

freaky if they caught on fire and I would have to take my helmet off first and then the bag. by that time I would have lost all my skin...

Idea was to ride up the mountain, do lots of recording. gopro didn't do what it was told. I rode back down and then it bloody worked.

hot arvo drinking brews finished off with a long ride. 8)
 
I was stoked to discover a firetrail under a kilometre away from my house. It's so dam steep though, I didn't enjoy it going up or down.

Peddled like a dog 90% of the way up, walked the bike 5% and enjoyed 5%. On the way down, I braked like a dog. Very cautious as I have fallen quite a bit on steep stuff in the past.

It's not an enjoyable video to watch because when you pedal hard there is too much movement. I can't even watch it myself, I just uploaded it to document the trail.

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I keep going to make a vid where the gopro is not mounted point of view, but the camera keeps stalling.

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After this video, I reinstalled the firmware, so next time I should be able to get some decent length of video to play with.
 
I am ready to move on from 12s, but I can't decide on what.

I think 18s would be fine, but charging 3 batteries is odd. The same time it will take to charge 3, I can also charge 4.
I really don't want to fiddle around with parallel charging or parallel wiring to be honest.
I like the idea of having 2 separate packs. 1 to use on the bike and the other to carry in the backpack to throw on for longer trips as a quick swap over.

Is there anything else that has to change if I went to 24s? I've heard things about shunts and cav3 mods etc. I really dont want to stuff around with.

Edit: I just twisted the red and black wires to put the controller in unlimited permanently :mrgreen: . Will pull of the 3 way switch and see how much I miss it. Would be nice to unlcutter the handlebars as much as possible.

After a long time of riding the bike maximum of 40kmh - getting over 50 again makes a huge difference and makes me realise 72v will have to do... Especially if I don't use a 3 way switch.
 
So your loving the 50v lipo?
Man you should go 18s . the front wheel lift mate. I told you b4.
May need new controller?
And drill the side plates like GCinDC did with his 40xx motor.
He says it stays coolish all the time.
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36375&start=2250#p850609
 
Been for a few single track rides now, experimenting with battery positions.

1. The two velcro strapped batteries near steer tube are not secure enough for rough riding. Fine for the streets but no bumps allowed. They drop down and hit the top of the shocks.

2. I don't mind being tethered to the bike with two batteries in the back pack. It is by far the best handling on the bike, I feel I can really let loose downhill as they are very well padded up and suspended. Draw back, is my back. I get a sore back from mountain biking over lots of drops without a backpack, its only going to get worse the more batteries I carry there. Also they heat up more with tons of padding, no air and my back heat. Also I cant hear the alarms.

3. 6 batteries will not fit in my triangle, without a super complex shape and lots of wires being mushed together. The other problem is the brake and gear lines under the top tube taking up space and not allowing a triangle box to be secured there properly. Also the top of the down tube is very thin, weird organic shape. I wish I had squarish giant like tubes.

I am left with two last options.

a) similar to the velcroed position I get a custom 2 box saddle bag option near the steer tube. downside is high centre of gravity. Knees will get restricted in more aggressive pedalling.

b) a long custom box attached under the down tube, as its flatter underneath. downside is near the ground and nothing to else to attach it to to stop it swinging left and right.

ps The rocket frog downhill track has been manicured with beautiful dark soiled berms! Will definately get up there again, even just on a mountain bike.
psps Both my light holders snapped hitting almost imperceivable bumps. Lights kept working so easy to find them. One fell down a drain, which was hard to get while tethered to the bike.
 
I was tethered to the bike - the torch has no wires. It was hard holding my bike up while I was down on my knees sticking my arm in a drain on the side of the road to grab the flashing torch.

3 or 4 batteries will be easy almost anywhere. 6 becomes the problem.

3 pack in the backpack is tidy. it means I have a second pack waiting to easily swap over, if back pack option. If I hard attach them to the bike there start the hassles, for attaching detaching for charging. If only 3 the over heating and voltage sag saga continues. Although higher voltages would mean less amps more of the time. (why I consider 24s 1p)

4 pack is the most I would carry in the backpack

Permanent to the bike until new batteries come
On another note: Can epoxy be used to give batteries a hardcase? This is a pretty crazy idea. I was thinking if I wrapped the batteries in sponge and rubber case then tapped to whatever shape needed to the bike and then epoxied the tape... Id have wires sticking out all over the place for charging at a docking station.

I know epoxy heats up, not sure how hot, not sure if epoxy melts tape...

anyway I want to try just blowing a few rolls of tape with sponge and rubber with as you say 3 bricks directly onto the bike. (make a simple charging table - I can roll up to the bike)
 
Tape is OK ish. Its still able to be dented and damaged but not so bad.
I like the idea of neoprene also using an inner tube over the blocks could be a good option.
In my monster bike the blocks are in a metal box lined with camping mattress foam. The blocks are not coated in tape or anything and after a year of jumps showing very little wear.
Epoxy... No IMO
Silicon like roof silicon etc. Could be good. Maby a layer of something over it.
 
whats about that:

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I have 8x 8000 Turnigys in there.
The Bag is fixed with Magnetic 'Buttons/Straps) ...2 on downtube, one on steeringtube.
No Problems with knees. Good Balance to handle.
Looks a bit of Futere Bike...but it works great.
 
yep with a hardtail it would be easier...but i need the 1600wh for long trips. Maybe i can fit the 8x8000 in triangle...next Problem would be charging at work or at home, because i dont have juice in my garage and i live in the 6th floor.

So there was no way to left Batterys fixed on the Bike.

The Bag is from Germany and called additive Bike Bag.
 
http://www.additive-bikes.com/additive-bag-v2-fuer-jede-rahmenform.html
just searched it, yeah thanks merlin thats very cool.

I am into off road riding - on the links I cant find information about how secure this is.
Can you tell me how many points it is strapped down?

As with my other saddle bag, I guess its good for the road but not for off road.

also does it have any clearance issue near the fork over big bumps?
 
I think it would be no Problem riding Downhill like a crack.
It is strapped down 2 times. I dont think that the Jump itself be a Problem...it would be the landing.
And on Landing the bag wants to go "down" to Earth :p
Also a 12KW Fullthrottle start cant drift the Bag from Steeringtube, because theres another Strap.
...and i have no Touching the Fork over Big Bumps or hard Braking. When you order you get 2 Straps to bring the bag on the Toptube in that Position you want.
so it is no matter if you have a hardtail city bike or a downhill machine with a 40° toptube.
(Iam sure u dont understand what i mean :p)

I will make you some Pics.
 
Danke Merlin,

Ich muss dinken weil 129 euro ist teuer (sorry for my poor German)

Ich kan fur diese gld ein man bezeilen fur ein kustomish box.

Ich habe in Deutschland geliebt vielleicht funfzehn jahren vor allex habe ich vergesist
 
Your German is equal my english :D

129€/170$ is not cheap. But when i take a look at other bags it is from quality worth.
Its a mercedes bag :p

I tried it also to let a professional leather or bags specialist to make a custom bag for my frame....
300€ and up for a single prototype...when i take 10 it would be 200 for a bag.(and not with same features)

i was tired of trying bags to fit my wishes....till now iam very happy with this bag.
For that (moveable)solution it is worth.

When you have a guy who made bags for that price....go for it....and build 20 others too...i will buy it for germans :D

iam not a reseller of additive bags. i will make a topic with a try for a group buy. maybe the Price gets better when we found for example 10 guys
who wants one. then i would send the bag to one guy in the states...so that the price for one would be ok.
 
I meant I probably get an aluminium box solution for that money, which would be more dent proof and less prone to movement.

I do like the bag a lot and have not seen anything like it thank you very much for the share because google doesn't always locate what we want to find.

I just wonder if it is too big. I also have to enquire about shipping costs...

the saddle kind of makes me think of it as a horse, or it looks like a motorbike petrol tank. Even your seat is the Mercedes of seats :) I might one of those too when I finish building the more important parts of my bike.

Can I trouble you for one more picture of how your batteries harness together in the bag? do they parallel out of the zipper?
 
pendragon8000 said:
Tape is OK ish. Its still able to be dented and damaged but not so bad.
I like the idea of neoprene also using an inner tube over the blocks could be a good option.
In my monster bike the blocks are in a metal box lined with camping mattress foam. The blocks are not coated in tape or anything and after a year of jumps showing very little wear.
Epoxy... No IMO
Silicon like roof silicon etc. Could be good. Maby a layer of something over it.

I went to clarkes rubber: I bought some neoprene and a tube of sponge stuff I think is for air con or something which fits perfectly with a bit of a stretch (like a sock) over individual batteries. still not sure if I should go ahead to use it as I dont want to reconfigure again when I get a new controller.
 
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