FLIGHT MH370, Missing JET

I keep seeing things popping up (about a week or two now) about Diego Gargia...

Example from yesterday: http://www.emirates247.com/news/diego-garcia-and-mh370-conspiracy-of-a-lost-island-in-middle-of-it-all-2014-04-06-1.544414

Interesting conundrum, to say the least.
 
Don't know what happened to these poor souls on this aircraft, but godspeed and goodwill to them all .......

I've flown many times in jet aircraft, the feeling of helplessness if something goes wrong is very real to anyone on board

My deepest condolences and heartfelt sympathies to all family members and friends.
 
i doubt if the chinese really heard the real pinger but they wanted to make some news back home in china to curry more of the nationalistic fervor this accident has engendered.

but the aussie crew of the ocean shield towing the ping locator seems to have isolated both black box pingers now. maybe in a day or two it will be located. thank god the ozzies were able to take over from the malaysians.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/07/300148112/signal-just-like-emergency-beacon-detected-in-search-for-flight-mh370
 
Trivial..but ..
Personally i am just happy that the Aussie Navy have finally been able to use the "Ocean Shield" vessel they bought a few years ago. Im sure the crew are also glad to finally get away from the Sydney Harbout berth that they have been stuck in for years without ever going further than the Naval equivalent of the local gas station !
I can (have been) seeing this ship from my bed room every day and wondered when it would ever be put to use. now my view is a little less colorful without the "Red blob" moored at the Navy wharfe !
Just Sad that it had to be for such a tragic purpose !
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i would hate to be in that thing in a quartering sea. i bet it rolls 45o and has 12 meters of stem to stern cantering. that gets old after two or three days. been there, done that. really old fast.
 
from sidney morning post: (i said four days in that they would find it 1,000 miles west of perth. 2057 km WNW of perth finally, i think they are already processing the images and may be out in the morning or they may wait for pictures of the wreckage)

One of the world's expert wreck hunters believes searchers for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have pinpointed the crash site and that the recovery of the black boxes is inevitable.
David Mearns, director of Blue Water Recoveries told the ABC's 7.30 program on Tuesday that he was confident that, because of their strength, the four “pings” detected were emitted from the black boxes.
"I think essentially they have found the wreckage site," he said.
“While the government hasn't announced that yet, if somebody asked me 'technically do they have enough information to say that?', my answer is unequivocally, yes.
“They have got four very, very good detections with the right spectrum of noise coming from them and it can't be from anything else.”
Mr Mearns, an American, was awarded a Medal of the Order of Australia for his work after he found the wreckage of HMAS Sydney in 2008, 66 years after it had been lost in the Indian Ocean during World War II.
He also helped find the wreckage of Air France flight 447 deep in the Atlantic Ocean in 2011.
Mr Mearns believes search officials are being cautious for the sake of the families of the passengers and crew who were on board, while they wait for the Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle to bring back photographic proof of the plane wreckage.
Each AUV mission takes 16 hours to complete.
The sonar device takes about two hours to descend 4500 metres before scanning a five- by eight-kilometre search area. It then returns to the Ocean Shield vessel for a battery change.
Analysing data from the device can take up to four hours.
Data from the Bluefin-21's first mission, on Monday, which was aborted after six hours, has been analysed but "no objects of interest were found", the Joint Agency Coordination Centre said on Wednesday.
US Navy Captain Mark Matthews, told Fairfax Media that the Bluefin-21 is tasked with surveying a possible debris field and measures the density of the objects which will determine if something is silt or metallic, which could indicate jet wreckage.
Once man-made objects are identified, search operators can reprogram the Bluefin-21 to gather high resolution images.
“You can then then swap out sonar system with imaging system, a camera system to go take pictures of the debris field so you can positively identify that it is aircraft wreckage or something else,” Captain Matthews said.
He also said searchers had “a number of positive indications” they were in the right area, including the four sonar acoustic signals detected and an oil sheen identified on Monday.
Mr Mearns said the breakthrough in the investigation came with the analysis of the MH370 flight path, which helped refine the search area.
“Somewhere out of someplace, fantastic pieces of intelligence were put together to really narrow that down to a small, small area and that's how these guys have been able to find it so quickly,” he said.
“The Ocean Shield was only out there a couple of days and they got a hit. So that has been tremendous success and miraculous.”
A second underwater search is under way after Bluefin-21 was deployed from the Ocean Shield on Tuesday night.
Up to 11 military aircraft, three civil aircraft and 11 ships will assist in the search on Wednesday.
The centre of the search area lies approximately 2087 kilometres north-west of Perth in the Indian Ocean.
- with Aleisha O
 
dnmun said:
from sidney morning post:,,
...One of the world's expert wreck hunters believes searchers for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have pinpointed the crash site and that the recovery of the black boxes is inevitable.
....Up to 11 military aircraft, three civil aircraft and 11 ships will assist in the search on Wednesday.
The centre of the search area lies approximately 2087 kilometres north-west of Perth in the Indian Ocean.
- with Aleisha O

If they have pin pointed the site ,I wonder why so many aircraft searching still. ?
 
Rode to Malaysia and back last week with Malaysia Airlines. Sat with a Cathay pilot coming home and had a good chat. He was deeply critical that Malaysian Airlines only kit out their planes with one oxygen bottle , Cathay use two. He knew of two other suicides in the past , one egyptian, one malaysian. In both instances the pilot locks the door while the copilot is out sleeping with the plebs.

The only way to take down the door is to load a drinks trolley and get three guys to slam it into the door. This is what happened when the egyptian one was foiled he claimed. The two since have apparently involved the pilot climbing so hard to high altitude that it's impossible to get the laden drinks trolley up to speed.

I woke up three hours into the flight to see the Cathay guy holding his Android handset at the window with GPS checking direction and speed. He was worried about a sudden climb but the pilot was simply taking advantage of a slipstream he'd decided and picked up an extra 100kph to make up for a late departure. He owned four ebikes so we struck up quite a conversation.

It makes me laugh that Norad sits about tracking every possible thing in the sky that might be a missile and MH370 was so far off course that no one owned up to knowing for several days until Rolls Royce stumped up with the info that the engines had been running for some time after the plane went missing...
 
CNN has fired their simulator pilot. Could it be he flew their speculation in the WRONG direction?

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/16/ufly-fires-mitchell-casado-flight-simulator-who-appeared-on-cnn/20870754
 
April 17, 2014, 2:41 a.m. EDT, wsj

Hunt for missing MH370 took a gamble on location

By Daniel Stacey
A combination of cutting-edge science, dogged analysis and simple luck prompted searchers to focus the hunt for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 underwater, just days before the plane's black box recorders were expected to fall silent.

Authorities got a first look at the sea floor Tuesday in an area that they believe is the jet's likely location, without detecting any wreckage. Hopes rest on a remote-controlled submersible from the U.S. Navy, which is seeking the first visual confirmation of wreckage that could lead investigators to the all-important recorders.

It's a turn of events that seemed unimaginable less than two weeks ago, after an extensive air and sea hunt for surface debris had turned up little more than garbage. The frequent and seemingly fruitless shifts in the aerial search frustrated investigators and eroded the confidence of the public and families of the victims. The current effort may yet turn out to be another false lead.

But over the past 11 days, an international team of experts has persistently recalibrated data and capitalized on new streams of information to zero in on a tight corridor in the southern Indian Ocean, according to senior Australian government officials, investigators from several countries and others briefed on the probe.

The decision to narrow the search on April 4 amounted to a carefully calculated gamble. Investigators incorporated arcane new calculations reflecting changes in the operating temperatures of an Inmarsat PLC satellite as well as the communications equipment aboard the Boeing 777 when the two systems exchanged so-called digital handshakes. Those links occurred regularly for some six hours after the plane deviated from its original flight path to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, and then headed south.

The new analysis provided investigators with a "sweet spot" to begin the underwater search, initially using a black-box detector in an area of sea some 500 kilometers to the north of where military aircraft and ships had previously been looking, said Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

The international working group established by Malaysia to investigate the crash, which included U.S., British, and French technical experts, assembled the new analysis, which the ATSB vetted before incorporating into the Australian-lead search.

"There's a set of assumptions, some of which are factually checkable, others of which remain assumptions," Mr. Dolan told The Wall Street Journal. "We knew we were running out of time."

The revised data also indicated the jet, carrying 239 people, may have been flying toward the Western Australian city of Perth and possibly traveling on autopilot when it crashed on March 8, though those specifics haven't been confirmed, he said.

Nine days after the jet disappeared from civilian radar, search crews spent 10 days scouring an area of ocean for floating wreckage without success. Then the operation was abruptly moved to a new location some 1,100 kilometers northwest of Perth, based on new military radar data.

The narrowing of the search on April 4, which defined where the Australian naval vessel Ocean Shield would tow the U.S. black box locator, took into account factors including the position of the Inmarsat satellite relative to the sun.

Crucial to Inmarsat's analysis of the pings was the Doppler effect: the change in frequency of sound or other waves depending on movement of their source relative to their recipient. Luck emerged when signals believed to come from the plane's recorders were detected past the equipment's intended 30-day useful life.

Investigators relied on the principle that the satellite's temperature distorts the way it receives radio waves. The investigators analyzed changes in the temperature of the Inmarsat satellite on each occasion that the plane made contact and then made calculations about the jet's trajectory, according to Warren Truss, Australia's deputy prime minister.. Investigators also incorporated aircraft performance calculations from Boeing to fix the sweet spot, according to Mr. Dolan, developing the most precise projection yet of the jet's probable point of impact.

At the same time, investigators further refined those projections by evaluating data from hundreds of other flights with similar equipment that crisscrossed the same region, according to Inmarsat officials. That established a baseline to better calculate where Flight 370 was presumed to have gone down.

"The Inmarsat model was designed for fine tuning," said Inmarsat Senior Vice President Chris McLaughlin, who said it revised the search area continually as new information arrived.

The revelations about how the search proceeded help to explain why the Australia's Ocean Shield vessel was able to detect a string of acoustic signals, believed to have come from the plane's black box recorders, within 48 hours of starting its underwater search on April 4. And also why authorities, including Australia's Prime Minister Tony Abbott, were so quick to declare their confidence that they were closing in on the jet's location.

"We still haven't come up with a different alternative theory as to what it might be if it's not the pinger, but we're never going to give you a guarantee on this," Mr. Dolan said.

When no new underwater signals from the recorders were detected in nearly a week, authorities deployed an unmanned submersible to scan the seabed for signs of plane wreckage Monday. The primary goal remains recovering Flight 370's flight-data and cockpit-voice recorders, in the hope they might reveal what befell the jet.

After completing about six hours of its first mission Monday, the submersible reached its operating depth limit of about 3 miles, and its built-in safety feature returned it to the surface, underscoring just how difficult and protracted its mission is. The boundaries of the Bluefin-21's search zone encompass roughly 500 square miles. The device moves at a walking pace, and scanning the entire search area was expected to take between six weeks and two months.

In the end, even Angus Houston, the former Australian military chief coordinating the search, acknowledges that luck has played a part in the effort. "The batteries of both devices are past their use-by date and they will very shortly fail. I think we are very fortunate in fact to get some transmissions on Day 33," he said last Wednesday.

Describing the decision to switch to underwater searches, Mr. Houston told reporters "I think we have probably got to the end of the process of analysis." Noting that "the data we've got is the data we've got," he added "we'll proceed on the basis of that."
 
The fuzzy math behind the search for MH370.

The March 25 report stated that Inmarsat had used a new kind of mathematical analysis to rule out a northern route. Without being very precise in its description, it implied that the analysis might have depended on a small but telling wobble of the Inmarsat satellite’s orbit. Accompanying the written report was an appendix, called Annex I, that consisted of three diagrams, the second of which was titled “MH370 measured data against predicted tracks" and appeared to sum up the case against the northern route in one compelling image. One line on the graph showed the predicted Doppler shift for a plane traveling along a northern route; another line showed the predicted Doppler shift for a plane flying along a southern route. A third line, showing the actual data received by Inmarsat, matched the southern route almost perfectly, and looked markedly different from the northern route. Case closed.

The report did not explicitly enumerate the three data points for each ping, but around the world, enthusiasts from a variety of disciplines threw themselves into reverse-engineering that original data out of the charts and diagrams in the report. With this information in hand, they believed, it would be possible to construct any number of possible routes and check the assertion that the plane must have flown to the south.

Unfortunately, it soon became clear that Inmarsat had presented its data in a way that made this goal impossible: “There simply isn't enough information in the report to reconstruct the original data,” says Scott Morgan, the former commander of the US Air Force Rescue Coordination Center. “We don’t know what their assumptions are going into this.”

Another expert who tried to understand Inmarsat’s report was Mike Exner, CEO of the remote sensing company Radiometrics Inc. He mathematically processed the “Burst Frequency Offset” values on Page 2 of Annex 1 and was able to derive figures for relative velocity between the aircraft and the satellite. He found, however, that no matter how he tried, he could not get his values to match those implied by the possible routes shown on Page 3 of the annex. “They look like cartoons to me,” says Exner.

Even more significantly, I haven’t found anybody who has independently analyzed the Inmarsat report and has been able to figure out what kind of northern route could yield the values shown on Page 2 of the annex. According to the March 25 report, Inmarsat teased out the small differences predicted to exist between the Doppler shift values between the northern and southern routes. This difference, presumably caused by the slight wobble in the satellite’s orbit that I mentioned above, should be tiny—according to Exner’s analysis, no more than a few percent of the total velocity value. And yet Page 2 of the annex shows a radically different set of values between the northern and southern routes. “Neither the northern or southern predicted routes make any sense,” says Exner.


http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/04/mh370_inmarsat_the_fuzzy_math_behind_the_search_for_the_missing_airliner.html
 
This thread is in danger of suffering the same fate as MH370 ......drifting off and getting lost in an ocean of posts !
Latest comment to come from the "secret" Malasian report was that there was more than 2 tonnes of lithium batteries on board as a cargo consignment !
If true, that is quite a unusual battery shipment !
Once they start clutching at straws for an explanation/excuse, i can see a prime candidate for the finger pointing !
 
On Thursday, Malaysian authorities release MH370's full cargo manifest as part of the preliminary report on the missing plane.

The manifest showed NNR Global transported consolidated items - 133 pieces of one item weighing 1.99 tonnes, 67 pieces of another item weighing 463 kg, for a total weight of 2.453 tonnes.
According to a report from Malaysia Chronicle, the cargo came with a precaution that it should be handled with care due to flammable components.

"About two tonnes, equivalent to 2,453 kg of cargo was declared as consolidated under one master airway bill. This master AWB actually comprised five house AWB. Of these five AWB, two contained lithium ion batteries amounting to a total tonnage volume of 221 kg. The balance three house AWB, amounting to 2,232 kg, were declared as radio accessories and chargers," MAS said in a statement.

A source from MAS said that the batteries weighed less than 200 kg but they were instructed not to reveal the remaining components of the 2.253 tonnes of cargo. "I cannot reveal more because of the ongoing investigations. We have been told by our legal advisers not to talk about it," the source said.

According to the source as reported by The Star Online, he could not name the manufacturer of the batteries. However, another source told fz.com that it was Motorola that shipped the cargo from its factory in Penang to the KL International Airport on March 6.

According to the report, the manifest indicated lithium ion batteries but did not mention radio accessories and chargers. The air waybill from NNR Global Logistics Sdn Bhd revealed that it shipped on behalf of its client, Motorola. In detail two loads were packed - 1,990 kg with 133 pieces and 463 kg for 67 pieces.



http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/550999/20140505/mh370-200kg-batts-motorola-preliminary-report.htm
 
oh dear - another Malaysia Airline down, shot down over Ukraine. Thoughts and condolences to those affected by this tragedy.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-rebels-are-likely-responsible-for-shooting-down-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-over-the-ukraine/story-fnh81p7g-1226992928465
 
I can't help but feel there is something related about these 2 events beyond just the obvious.
 
cal3thousand said:
I can't help but feel there is something related about these 2 events beyond just the obvious.

No. its just an example of what can happen when you allow powerful modern weapons to get into the hands of dumb idiot fanatics who have no idea of what they are doing or what they are fighting for. :evil:
 
and a young dutch passenger posted a pic of the plane on facebook should it go missing before he boarded, if only he knew

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465419050262262&set=a.121009184703252.21333.100003825135026&type=1&relevant_count=1
 
Hillhater said:
cal3thousand said:
I can't help but feel there is something related about these 2 events beyond just the obvious.

No. its just an example of what can happen when you allow powerful modern weapons to get into the hands of dumb idiot fanatics who have no idea of what they are doing or what they are fighting for. :evil:

Oh no, absolutely not that. IF this plane was shot down, it was done by expertise toward a real purpose. Neither idiots (At least in the technical sense) nor fanatics fired that missle, IF one was fired, it was fired by experts. We'd have an easier time among this crowd putting together a team that could pull it off than some band of insurgents.

18 years ago TODAY came the report that a missle brought down TWA flight 800. (Now THERE is a coincidence.) And oh, did the talk ramp up. It was all part of Charlie Wilson's war, if you know the movie. The FAA conclusion was that an electrical short set off fuel vapors leaking from the tank, or some such.

Even after, no less than Pierre Salinger (Lucky Pierre of the 1960's 'Batman' tv series) claimed to have the proof that the U.S. Navy shot down flight 800. But then he also claimed he had the proof of who REALLY brought down the Lockerbie Pan Am flight 103. At least kept his promise to leave the country if Dubya became president. (And you all thought it was Alec Baldwin who said that. His exwife Kim Basinger came up with that to embarrass him, but of course nothing embarrasses Alec Baldwin.)

So Obama has been using this as an opportunity for nonstop rhetoric, seeing as how we all know what a liar he can be, maybe this will be HIS Pierre Salinger moment. Recall Dubya insisting on and on that Iraq was behind 911, even as all investigations said otherwise. . . .

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Dauntless said:
Hillhater said:
cal3thousand said:
I can't help but feel there is something related about these 2 events beyond just the obvious.

No. its just an example of what can happen when you allow powerful modern weapons to get into the hands of dumb idiot fanatics who have no idea of what they are doing or what they are fighting for. :evil:

Oh no, absolutely not that. IF this plane was shot down, it was done by expertise toward a real purpose. Neither idiots (At least in the technical sense) nor fanatics fired that missle, IF one was fired, it was fired by experts.
Well I have read that BUK launchers can/are linked to multiple radar sites etc but I don't think the MH17 attack can be boxed into a deliberate purpose.

Russian-backed fighters have been stepping up the shooting down via missiles of Ukrainian (normally military) aircraft over the last few weeks to the point where it was becoming a routine for Russian-backed fighters.

It was in fact becoming so routine that pro-Russian media, facebook and pro-Russian commanders were twittering things like "this will teach Ukraine they can't fly into our air space" in the minutes after the missile was fired, when they learned they had shot down a civilian aircraft all these internet posts were hastily removed but some are still stuck in google cache.
Says it all even in its heading "Donetsk People’s Republic militia downs another Ukraine’s An-26 plane "
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741164

There is no "gain" from either side shooting down a civilian aircraft, this was purely a mistake. The only side thats been routinely shooting down aircraft in the Ukraine vs Putin backed pro-Russian boarder war has been pro-Russian fighters.

The only thing I think we could gain from this is to get a window into Putins mind to see how evil minded he is from seeing if he chooses to take away BUK launcher weapons or will there be a continued increase in numbers of Russian forces (which has been the report of general news about the war) around the Russian/Eastern Ukraine boarder which is most possible, hes the only one with the power to choose either path.


No doubt the BUK is a feared weapon as listed here on the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
that in a conflict Georgia vs Russia, Georgia managed to use BUK to down 4 Russian military planes. the loss of four aircraft is surprising and a heavy toll for Russia given the small size of Georgia's military. Some have also pointed out, that Russian electronic counter-measures systems were apparently unable to jam and suppress enemy SAMs in the conflict and that Russia was, surprisingly, unable to come up with effective countermeasures against missile systems it had designed.
 
IF this plane was shot down, it was done by expertise toward a real purpose. Neither idiots (At least in the technical sense) nor fanatics fired that missle, IF one was fired, it was fired by experts....
Sorry but no.
It doesn't take much training to "press those buttons" , but it takes brains to know what to target and what to avoid.
These were f#*k wits with a new toy and no discipline .....probably half tanked on vodka also.!
I really do not get the retarded mentality of these Eastern Block , (or Middle East) ... Who don't seem able to grow out of a tribal mentality ?
 
Hillhater said:
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These were f#*k wits with a new toy and no discipline .....probably half tanked on vodka also.!
I really do not get the retarded mentality of these Eastern Block , (or Middle East) ... Who don't seem able to grow out of a tribal mentality ?
"Eastern Block"? What's that? Does it still include Poland? East Germany? The world has progressed somewhat in the past quarter century.
And "Middle East" is lumped in the same prejudice bag to you? --- Never mind.

But I don't follow this MH17 thing too closely; I have issues in my personal life that take up my time. But I remember the State Dept. (US) saying it had satellite photos showing the exact missile that killed MH17. I'd like to see that. Plus, I'd like to see photos of the BUKs being deployed, moved around the country, and returned to Russia. Since you seem to be more attuned to the news on this subject than I, please save me some time and post a link to those photos.
 
GOOGLE offers a search service and it will help you find the pictures of the mobile rocket launcher returning to russia with the russian technicians who used it to shoot down MH17.
 
dnmun said:
GOOGLE offers a search service and it will help you find the pictures of the mobile rocket launcher returning to russia with the russian technicians who used it to shoot down MH17.

If we've learned anything from history, that would be CIA spooks posing at Russians bringing launcher.
 
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