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Thanks Matt,

I love your honest an open replies and advice.

Having seen your work first hand and ridden one of your trikes, I'm sure a Matt drive and Astro could do the job. I'm not too worried about the reliability is built to use and not pushing the envelope.

I would really want one of your fine drives if I go with an Astro, but that would definitely be beyond the budget at this point. I'm sure I could adapt my reduction set up for one.

I am looking at sizes to see if a BMC will fit on my drive. I am also pricing components and what I would need to go down each road.

Of course... If I go with an RC set up, it would only be motor, reduction, and batteries for a bike for my wife. Hum... Don't get me started.

Clay
 
I am leaning towards the BMC as it will create the least change to my set up. That is all dependent on availability of the motors though. I am waiting to hear from superkids about that. If they are not available, or coming in soon, then you might get a pm from me Matt.

I kind of have been holding off on the RC to do a full suss bike sometime in the future. By future, I mean a couple of years. I should have it mostly sorted by then ha ha.

Clay
 
Well, it's been a while. Unfortunately there is nothing exciting to report.

I am still waiting to hear from Superkids after 3 emails. He was really good to deal with last year, but seems to be slacking now.

If anyone knows a source other than Superkids for the BMC 1500W super scooter motor (non-hub), I'm interested. I am also looking for something similar that I could use instead. I am even thinking of going the cyclone route, just not through the crank.

An RC setup is just out of my price range at the moment, unless the big HXT's become available real soon.

I just can't justify an astro on this bike at this time. It may come to it, but I'd like to be up and running sooner than later and it will take some time to save up for it.

Anyway, back to the research for a suitable motor.

Clay
 
flyinmonkie said:
Well, it's been a while. Unfortunately there is nothing exciting to report.

I am still waiting to hear from Superkids after 3 emails. He was really good to deal with last year, but seems to be slacking now.

If anyone knows a source other than Superkids for the BMC 1500W super scooter motor (non-hub), I'm interested. I am also looking for something similar that I could use instead. I am even thinking of going the cyclone route, just not through the crank.

An RC setup is just out of my price range at the moment, unless the big HXT's become available real soon.

I just can't justify an astro on this bike at this time. It may come to it, but I'd like to be up and running sooner than later and it will take some time to save up for it.

Anyway, back to the research for a suitable motor.

Clay
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keep us updated mate, im still weighing up options on what motor to get for my own mid drive project... im even considering using a geared hub, since it'd remove the need for a reduction drive.
 
Looking on the Cyclone site I came across this motor.

http://www.cyclone-e-bikes.tw/product.php?pid_for_show=3253

It says it's 840w 24v. Is it the same as the 1500w motor if you run it at 48v? It could be an option.

No gearbox, so no extra noise. Maybe a bit big though.

Clay
 
flyinmonkie said:
Well, it's been a while. Unfortunately there is nothing exciting to report.

I am still waiting to hear from Superkids after 3 emails. He was really good to deal with last year, but seems to be slacking now.

If anyone knows a source other than Superkids for the BMC 1500W super scooter motor (non-hub), I'm interested. I am also looking for something similar that I could use instead. I am even thinking of going the cyclone route, just not through the crank.

An RC setup is just out of my price range at the moment, unless the big HXT's become available real soon.

I just can't justify an astro on this bike at this time. It may come to it, but I'd like to be up and running sooner than later and it will take some time to save up for it.

Anyway, back to the research for a suitable motor.

Clay
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I sent superkids an email about there 1500watt motor but they never got back to me. After a 3 weeks wait I ended up just getting a unitmotor like the one I had but a 1000watter. Trouble is I only have an 800watt controller so im not getting the full benifit of the motor. I'll need to get a new controller.
My new motor arrived last Friday, iv'e had a few trips around the block and around town with it and it fairly eats up my batts :( need to save ma pennys and get more.

Regards
Tom
 
@ Tom,

Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with them. I had really awesome service from them this time last year.

After lots of emails and disappointment with little or no response from suppliers, I have decided to go with a cyclone motor. I thought I had decided on the 1200w version with the gearbox, but I just plugged it into the shopping cart on the cyclone site and the shipping was insane. After trying the same thing with the 840w version (no gearbox) it was a lot better. I'm not sure how they figure their shipping, but it seems weird.

I also saw what I believe the is the 840w version listed as a 1250w 48v version on another website. So I am thinking about that again. I really want to know if it can be run at 48v fine. I think it bolt to my set up pretty easy, where the 1200w version will take more effort. I like the idea of no extra noise as well, since my bike has been pretty quiet.

I have asked Paco twice now if the 840w motor can be run at 48v and or to supply spec for the motor. But, all I got back was 48v will blow the controller. It uses an external controller and I don't want the whole kit anyway. I will use a Lyen controller I think.

If it weren't for the crazy shipping cost, I would have already ordered the 1200w version. Now I really need to find out if I can put 48v through the 840w motor. But I don't want to get one and then blow it up. I am over testing motors. ha ha

Clay
 
flyinmonkie said:
@ Tom,

Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with them. I had really awesome service from them this time last year.

After lots of emails and disappointment with little or no response from suppliers, I have decided to go with a cyclone motor. I thought I had decided on the 1200w version with the gearbox, but I just plugged it into the shopping cart on the cyclone site and the shipping was insane. After trying the same thing with the 840w version (no gearbox) it was a lot better. I'm not sure how they figure their shipping, but it seems weird.

I also saw what I believe the is the 840w version listed as a 1250w 48v version on another website. So I am thinking about that again. I really want to know if it can be run at 48v fine. I think it bolt to my set up pretty easy, where the 1200w version will take more effort. I like the idea of no extra noise as well, since my bike has been pretty quiet.

I have asked Paco twice now if the 840w motor can be run at 48v and or to supply spec for the motor. But, all I got back was 48v will blow the controller. It uses an external controller and I don't want the whole kit anyway. I will use a Lyen controller I think.

If it weren't for the crazy shipping cost, I would have already ordered the 1200w version. Now I really need to find out if I can put 48v through the 840w motor. But I don't want to get one and then blow it up. I am over testing motors. ha ha

Clay
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I know you had good service with Superkids before when you bought your 1000watt Currie motor, I even sent them an email asking if they had any left after you bought your motor but got no reply way back then. They were (at one time) doing an offer on the 1500watter BDC motor, maybe they were all snapped up?

As to your thoughts on the Cyclone motor. I think you might be best spending that bit extra on the shipping? for the 1200w rather than buying the 800w and risk blowing it by running it at 48v :shock:

flyinmonkie said:
I am over testing motors. ha ha
Clay
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You and me both mate. I made a trailer out of an old ironing board that the nextdoor neighbours were chuking out. I thought I'd try it out with a 250watt motor 800watt controller and 36V of batts on it! Well it pushed me along fine around the block a few times. I started thinking (hey this is quite fast) while I was riding along :D When I stopped back at the house and put my hand on the motor I nearly took the skin off my fingers ---- Hot Hot Hot :roll: :D Needless to say I'd blown the motor.
A few days ago I was round at one of my mates and someone asked for a go on my chopper, me life a daft bugger let them have a go. They got about 50 yards and crashed it into a fence! After that it wouldn't go? When I got home I thought/hoped it would just be the batts that were flat but after charging them up I couldn't get it to go? I think they busted the controller when they crashed. I now have a new 1000watt controller on order...... and a note to self. Dont let any bugger have a go on yer bike.

Looking forward to seeing your build progress with which ever motor you decide to go with :wink:

Regards
Tom
 
I'd go for the 1200w if it were just a little more, but it is almost the same for shipping as the motor costs. The 840w is only $80. It makes the total almost twice as much as the 840w. It doesn't seem right at all. Pretty random way to figure shipping on items.

I have sent Paco an email asking if there is a bug in his shipping calculator. We will see what he says. He still hasn't gotten back to me about the specs of the 840w motor. If you don't know, just say so. If there is one thing I miss in the world today, it is customer service. It isn't that hard to provide it.

Clay
 
do you have links to the two motors? I can only seem to fin d the 840w, and for me it seems to be $130, not $80?
 
Here you go.

840w

http://www.cyclone-e-bikes.tw/product.php?pid_for_show=3253

The cost is $130 the shipping if you go to the check out is $80

1200w

http://www.cyclone-e-bikes.tw/product.php?pid_for_show=3244

The cost is $142 the shipping is $135. Then you have to get the gearbox as well and it is $99 and the shipping for both is $113.

That makes the 840w $210 tot eh door and the 1200w $341 to the door.

Seems odd for two things that are about the same size and probably pretty close in weight for one to cost $33 more to ship. It also makes the 1200w over $100 more to get.

Then the site doesn't say what currency that is. I am assuming it is US dollars as they are mentioned in the terms. That makes a big difference in the conversion also.

Clay
 
I got a reply from Cyclone about the shipping. They asked what I was interested in and would quote me a shipping price. I am just waiting to hear back from them.

Clay
 
flyinmonkie said:
I got a reply from Cyclone about the shipping. They asked what I was interested in and would quote me a shipping price. I am just waiting to hear back from them.

Clay
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keep us updated mate, im still deciding between one of these and a 8080 or 80100...
 
I got a quote of $298USD for the following including shipping to NZ.

1x 1200w motor (without gearbox)
1x single 14t freewheel gearbox
1x set of cooling fins
1x CCW 14t freewheel

Still nothing about the specs of the 840w motor.

I think I just might go with the 1200w and try to adapt my reduction as best I can. It seems that the people that have used them like them. I'm not all that worried about noise as I commute and don't ride trails I shouldn't be on (often).

I have a feeling that my last motor would have lasted a lot longer if I had used a slightly smaller controller. Or set up amp limiting somehow. Seeing peaks of 100amps to 120amps on every ride I'm sure wasn't good for the brushes. While cruising I only pulled about 30 amps.

Oh well, I've decided to go the brushless route and try a setup that isn't beyond the limits of some or all the parts.

Clay
 
whats the deal with the shaft on these cyclone
Motors with the gear box, I gather they have
A machined gear on them that slips between
The planetary gears on the gear box? I should
Whip the box off the 1200watt cyclone I have here
(not mine) it will need some good grease in it
Before use anyways. I wondered why the box
Couldnt be removed and your own reduction
Setup (belts for the noise nazis maybe?) If
There is a machined gear, spinning the motor
Up and attacking the gear with angle grinder
And grinding disk would be first thing on my mind...

KiM
 
As boostjuice said and you can see, yep geared shaft. There is a thread about doing that here.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=34421

The shaft is pretty short by the looks of it so the mounting plate would have to be pretty thin. Or one would have to extend the shaft.

I have thought about and at this point it falls in the to hard basket. If someone came up with a "kit" to do it, it might be a hit as the motors seem solid and are available at a reasonable cost.

Clay
 
Heres what I would do now I have seen it,
break out the Devcon, fill all the gears up
Likely need two hits at this, one to fill the
Bulk of it, one to finish it off and get the shaft
round...
Then once dry spark up the motor, using
Reasonable corse grit sand paper on a hard
Block, remove excess Devcon, reapply more
If needed and repeat sanding process..file

Two flat spots on shaft and fit your own pulley/sprocket...

KiM
 
@ kim The shaft is pretty short to try and get a sprocket past a mounting plate, but could work.

I am ordering a 12FEt controller from Lyen and the 1200w cyclone form Paco. I'll be getting it with the gearbox.

I am going to run it through my reduction and not the cranks. That will give me 3 speeds for the motor and one for the pedals.

Well see if I get parts before xmas or after. Either way, I'll be ridding again in the new year.

Clay
 
What is the cost of these motors and how much power can they take? If they will handle say 2-3000 watts, they might be a very viable motor for us MID drive freaks! Anyone know the KV of these motors?

By the way, could you not just make a new shaft for the motor?
 
The motor only is $145USD. I haven't seen one in person yet, but there are several people on the forum that are knowledgeable about them. I'm not sure what the peak output is either, but the people running them seem happy and get good torque and top end.

There is potential to replace the shaft with a longer one that isn't geared on the end as well. But again, I haven't seen one in real life. boostjuice might know if it is possible.

Clay
 
I could paint grey lines on it to make it look like carbon fibre. Does that get me points?

Motor and controller should be on their way. Looks like it will be an ebike xams for me.

We'll see what else I need when it all gets here. Most likely a sprocket to go on the output shaft. A smaller driven sprocket for the first stage. Maybe a bigger bottom bracket (I hope not). Hopefully that is all.

Clay
 
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