Just built my 1st - 36 spoke rim....thanks

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Wanna thank everyone and the info they provide that helped me accomplish this feat.

I was gonna support my local bicycle shop, and pay them to do all my wheel builds, but they got greedy on me and charged me $130 to do a wheel build 2 months ago, for a 36 spoke ,ebike hub and I supplied all the parts . They quoted me $100 price just for the lacing/ truing, which I knew was a bit high , but I accepted it and told them if they do a good job, I would bring them more business. They called me 3 days later, and told me it was done, and that it would now cost me $130..so screw em.

I decided to not only build my own wheels, but learn how to cut my own spokes since I have about 100 spare 14 gauge spokes laying around.

I decided I didnt need to spend $160 on the Hozan C-706 spoke threader tool , and instead purchased just the head assembly for $58 for that tool , to mount in my Harbor freight mini lathe . This allowed me to cut spoke threads much quicker then by hand . I also came up with a system to quickly measure each spoke length accurately, before using snips to cut the spokes to size. My spoke length needed to be 169 M.M , so I took a plastic straw and measured it to that length and cut it . I then could quickly slip each spoke into the straw and let the spoke head rest on the top lip of the straw, then take my cutters and snip off the excess spoke flush with the bottom of the straw. This really worked nicely for me.

For all my measurements , spoke fabrication and lacing /truing, it took me about 9 hours to do this....next time around should be much quicker.
 
Drunkskunk said:
Got pics?

I'm curious about that spoke head, does the Hozan cut material for the threads, or does it roll the threads?


it rolls them...

heres the ebay link...of what I purchased

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/221684599977?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
That's a great idea! Thanks. Think I'll be trying this in the lathe too.
 
Brake said:
That's a great idea! Thanks. Think I'll be trying this in the lathe too.


Yeah...I thought of the idea this past week ....

I cut off the end of a drill bit shaft { part that goes in the drill chuck} so it fits snugly in the end of the spoker threader , then tightened the allen screw and put it in my lathe .....works great and fast.
 
999zip999 said:
They do wear out on S.S. so just buy them from JR Holmes. But nice to have. Still I buy 40~42 for a 36 wheel and nipples.


for my situation, it made much more economical sense to take the time and learn how to do all the wheel/ hub measurements , calculate spoke length , and then purchase the rolling head for $58 to put in my lathe. I have plenty of spare spokes laying around...and since these ebikes are generally 36 spoked hubs....I figure im saving at least $40 per wheel build , by not having to buy spokes. ....lets also consider the fact that spokes can sometimes break or bend, and I now have the capability to make my own single spoke as needed.

If my local bicycle shop { 75 minute drive 1 way] wasnt so damn greedy, I woulda just used them for all my wheel builds....but their greed resulted in them losing me as a customer. They charged me $130 to do a 36 spoke- 26" fat bike wheel..and I supplied the rim, hub, spokes, nipples and thread tape. ..all they did was the labor of lacing/ truing.

So I spent $58 for the Hozan spoke head and 5 days reading about how to measure properly and I will now save at least $130 , everytime I need to build a wheel.
 
ebikedelight said:
Brake said:
That's a great idea! Thanks. Think I'll be trying this in the lathe too.


Yeah...I thought of the idea this past week ....

I cut off the end of a drill bit shaft { part that goes in the drill chuck} so it fits snugly in the end of the spoker threader , then tightened the allen screw and put it in my lathe .....works great and fast.


Good tip. Thanks.
 
Thanks for the tip on the spoke threader. Awesome! I will get one of these. I felt the last spokes I needed cut and rolled were pricey and this is an awesome solution. On my last project I got mail order rims and tires from Ireland delivered to my door in Canada for cheaper that the spokes that I had to get cut to fit. And I had to drive 70 miles to get the spokes as well.
 
Hey this is cool also.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJXopdiz7nE
The cordless drill on the full on tool makes quick work. I see some of the complete units on for sale for 130 bucks on ebay.
 
Wow that's cool too. Thanks for the video. It looks so easy [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH]
 
thxs to you,. those spoke threading Tools seem very tempting, just found this one I might order from UK:
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/cyclo-spoke-rolling-head-prod26319/
 
Glad my idea has helped some people on here.

I have another idea , that I am working on. If this new idea works out , I may actually fabricate this item myself and offer a few of them for sale on this forum .
 
Thanks for all the info here! My threader came today (whole unit $130- don't have a lathe yet :cry: )

There was some break-in/adjustment. Used a scrap spoke and kept trimming and retreading till the cutters (edit- ROLLERS) got broken in, and I had it adjusted for best thread depth without breaking the spoke.

Used the drill setup that wayne linked. Works like a damn charm- Perfect threads in 20 seconds a spoke.

Ebike.ca's spoke calculator was informative and userfriendly. Hopefully the guesswork on my end will result in the right length for my first wheel build! (mainly offset, and how to measure a spoke for length!)
http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/spoke-calc.html

I found this useful to lace the wheel 3cross. (did a mockup to double check the length calc.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIU6mi0K4Y4
 
I use a Hozan threader for emergency repairs on wheels with odd length spokes, but there's no way I'd do a wheel's worth of spokes with one.

Danscomp cuts any length you want (down to some minimum length) for $0.25 each. If you need shorter ones, Grin or Holmes Hobbies can sort you out economically. It's not worth the time or the inconsistent thread quality to use a hand threader for a whole wheel's worth.
 
If I were doing fresh wheels all the time I'd agree. I may only need to do a few wheels before i'm in my pine pajama's though, and of course I already have decent spokes from other wheels. I'da blown the money on one or two sets of spokes/ nipples, and still had nothing to do odd or time sensitive repairs.

Even if the neighbors', kids, or grandkids wanna do a different rim size, this machine is the sht to make that happen on the cheap. And if you already have a lathe . . . investment is half.
 
If you see any small 250W geared hubs for sale cheap (old SLA battery, etc), consider re-lacing them to 20-inch rims. The number of holes may require an odd lacing, but...there's always a way. I would think it would be a big hit with kids.

Right now, if I wanted a hot rod DD hub, I might buy a Leaf 1500W with a 19-inch moped rim, ventilated. Not quite as much power potential as the MXUS 3000W, but...lighter, cheaper, and allows a 6-speed derailleur.

If you ordered a Leaf with a rim from the factory, I think the default rim is too skinny for a fat tire (2.4/2.5-inch Hookworms, Cyclops, etc). Even the largest geared hubs (MAC/BMC/etc) can easily use bicycle rims (if you want) but...large diameter DD hubs should use one-cross with moped rim (IMHO). Price is just as good as bike parts, and the tires are much more flat-resistant and long-lasting.

https://www.electricbike.com/moped-rims-tires-hubmotors/
 
This certainly wins for convenience. There are many times that I don't have the right length spoke and could be back in business within minutes as opposed to days.

My options are ordering from DansComp (great for a whole wheel or two, but shipping is a killer for a couple broken spokes) OR getting them from the local shop. And although $2 a spoke isn't bad in a pinch, they aren't always open the times I need.

I'm not sure I would buy one to do full wheels as it is much easier to buy a set from DansComp. But the convenience of this method is off the charts. :D
 
Sweet. That's some the most x~rated bike porn I've seen not too long before that gets banned. Makes me want to jump in my pine pajama's.
Ya it took 2 hr. to get to the local bike store and back for one custom cut. Spoke. With a little begging. I would love one of these.
 
I just recently finished threading two wheels worth of spokes. One thing that I learned was to use a caliper or micrometer to measure the diameter of the threads afterword. This way you can verify that they have the proper profile.
 
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