LightningRods mid drive kit

recumpence said:
Let's try to keep it light and try to put yourself in his shoes.

Matt
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while i completely understand that he still doesnt have a lovely yet useless standard receptiopnist of "may i take your call, and we'll get back you " from the client point view its very stressing not get any response. Its like bringin up an application for the first time and not even see an hourglass ,you don't even know if you clicked on the shortcut. Personally i dont care if get a reply of "currently working hard on kits, but I'll get back to you in few " , but i understand its still its in infancy(part of the charm) so i bide my time, but i understand how others may not be used to it.
 
freewheel , conundrum...

well it would seem that my white-industries freewheel or in fact any freewheel, may not be up to the task for a powerful mid-drive motor, due the to recent clicking again, and play in a week old eno trials, i posted a question and miles led me to a few posts.

my question is this, has anyone been using a freewheel setup on a 3000 watt system that didn't have problems? from what i can see, there can be 2 extremes, either you get a cheap open bearing system, which would fail and seize, (as in the "destroyed" thread) or get a single bearing, that will fail really fast. i would rather have the latter one, and have the WOS, instead of the first where a pedal would stick up you legs at 60 kph :shock: and to the LOS (Limp Of Shame)

i've ordered the token freewheel as well, it seemed to be strongest 2 bearing system there is, in case the original crankset with acs flanged freewheel will fail i may need to have some one create a special 110 bcd spider similar to the ecospeed crank i have now, that will house that one as well as the adapter for the 219 sprocket.
 
emaayan said:
freewheel , conundrum...

well it would seem that my white-industries freewheel or in fact any freewheel, may not be up to the task for a powerful mid-drive motor, due the to recent clicking again, and play in a week old eno trials, i posted a question and miles led me to a few posts.

my question is this, has anyone been using a freewheel setup on a 3000 watt system that didn't have problems? from what i can see, there can be 2 extremes, either you get a cheap open bearing system, which would fail and seize, (as in the "destroyed" thread) or get a single bearing, that will fail really fast. i would rather have the latter one, and have the WOS, instead of the first where a pedal would stick up you legs at 60 kph :shock: and to the LOS (Limp Of Shame)

i've ordered the token freewheel as well, it seemed to be strongest 2 bearing system there is, in case the original crankset with acs flanged freewheel will fail i may need to have some one create a special 110 bcd spider similar to the ecospeed crank i have now, that will house that one as well as the adapter for the 219 sprocket.
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If you are referring to the small secondary sprocket free wheel, I have been using mine at 3000 watts + for almost 2 full seasons. Including through snow this winter with my ski and track kit on the bike. But you probably ride yours harder than I do. I ride mostly streets.

The stock GNG freewheel lasted me about 1 month when i got my kit and pumped the power to 3kw. So I bought a "Freewheel Adapter CCW for UniteMY1018" that enabled me to use this http://bikemotive.myshopify.com/products/acs-small-format-metric-30mm-freewheel and it has held since. I even bent 2 GNG stock jackshafts with it on and it still held and turned smoothly.

Bent Jackshaft under 4kw, this happened this winter with the ski and track kit on. But the ACS freewheel is still turning smoothly.
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I am finally going to remove it to put on LR's #219 secondary upgrade. The freewheel issue under high power is because the freewheel is on that small sprocket of the secondary reduction. There is a lot of pressure on that small sprocket. But with LR's primary upgrade, that comes with a freewheel on the other side and on the large primary sprocket, combined with the #219 secondary upgrade, you don't need the freewheel on the small secondary sprocket. Solving the issue altogether.

Wishes
 
Wishes said:
emaayan said:
freewheel , conundrum...

well it would seem that my white-industries freewheel or in fact any freewheel, may not be up to the task for a powerful mid-drive motor, due the to recent clicking again, and play in a week old eno trials, i posted a question and miles led me to a few posts.

my question is this, has anyone been using a freewheel setup on a 3000 watt system that didn't have problems? from what i can see, there can be 2 extremes, either you get a cheap open bearing system, which would fail and seize, (as in the "destroyed" thread) or get a single bearing, that will fail really fast. i would rather have the latter one, and have the WOS, instead of the first where a pedal would stick up you legs at 60 kph :shock: and to the LOS (Limp Of Shame)

i've ordered the token freewheel as well, it seemed to be strongest 2 bearing system there is, in case the original crankset with acs flanged freewheel will fail i may need to have some one create a special 110 bcd spider similar to the ecospeed crank i have now, that will house that one as well as the adapter for the 219 sprocket.
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If you are referring to the small secondary sprocket free wheel, I have been using mine at 3000 watts + for almost 2 full seasons. Including through snow this winter with my ski and track kit on the bike. But you probably ride yours harder than I do. I ride mostly streets.

The stock GNG freewheel lasted me about 1 month when i got my kit and pumped the power to 3kw. So I bought a "Freewheel Adapter CCW for UniteMY1018" that enabled me to use this http://bikemotive.myshopify.com/products/acs-small-format-metric-30mm-freewheel and it has held since. I even bent 2 GNG stock jackshafts with it on and it still held and turned smoothly.

Bent Jackshaft under 4kw, this happened this winter with the ski and track kit on. But the ACS freewheel is still turning smoothly.
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I am finally going to remove it to put on LR's #219 secondary upgrade. The freewheel issue under high power is because the freewheel is on that small sprocket of the secondary reduction. There is a lot of pressure on that small sprocket. But with LR's primary upgrade, that comes with a freewheel on the other side and on the large primary sprocket, combined with the #219 secondary upgrade, you don't need the freewheel on the small secondary sprocket. Solving the issue altogether.

Wishes
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Hi Wishes..
Couldnt you just use LR higher quality jackshaft and aftermarket secondary small sprocket on the gng chain reduction and see how it holds up first???
 
i'm not sure i understand what's the difference between you crossfire and this one
http://bikemotive.myshopify.com/collections/ebike/products/custom-acs-crossfire-flanged-freewheel

i'm not sure i understand the solution entirely, as i understand, L-R currently provides a bb with a freewheel, which i can't use thus i have to use a crank with a freewheel, but because of the angular force applied which freewheels with a single bearing aren't designed for, they will fail quickly.
 
Hi Mike, I hope you're well and this lack of comms isn't due to injury or illness.
I'd appreciate a reply regarding my new bike frame and the kit (no response seen yet to email with pictures sent 16/8/14, or followups).
An updated production list (last list 16/8 - where I am 2 kits shy of being in current production) would also be appreciated.
 
emaayan said:
i'm not sure i understand what's the difference between you crossfire and this one
http://bikemotive.myshopify.com/collections/ebike/products/custom-acs-crossfire-flanged-freewheel

i'm not sure i understand the solution entirely, as i understand, L-R currently provides a bb with a freewheel, which i can't use thus i have to use a crank with a freewheel, but because of the angular force applied which freewheels with a single bearing aren't designed for, they will fail quickly.
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Ah your referring to the freewheel on the cranks, my bad. I bent my stock BB and messed up that freewheel 2 months into last season. So i spent the extra $$ and ordered the Cyclone crank set, came with a new hardened BB, a freewheel, crank arms and chain rings. It was expensive but I've never had another issue with any of those parts since.

http://cyclone-tw.com/order-chainwheel.htm

I think some of LR's parts included in his kit are sourced from these guys.

Wishes
 
i can just order the freewheel, but isn't that freewheel the dicta freewheel which starred in the "destroyed" post? that's my biggest fear .

seems to me that if i can get a flange adapter for the token freewheel, i'll be all set.
 
Will someone with his phone number please check up on Mike and see if he's ok.

A long weekend I can understand but him not responding for this long is a bit of a worry.

Post here if you can and let us know what's going on.
 
t0me said:
Will someone with his phone number please check up on Mike and see if he's ok.

A long weekend I can understand but him not responding for this long is a bit of a worry.

Post here if you can and let us know what's going on.
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mike emailed me on the beginning of the week, and said he'll be shipping my parts this next next week.
 
i got an email from MIke a couple of days back.
he is very busy and concerned about his reputation as some people are whiny bitches and others cant shut up and stop asking stupid questions.
darren
 
cheekybloke said:
i got an email from MIke a couple of days back.
he is very busy and concerned about his reputation as some people are whiny bitches and others cant shut up and stop asking stupid questions.
darren
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Customers asking for parts they DO WANT to buy, people that need help if they have problems with some parts, are bitches?
A seller that disappear while many people ask about products or delays ..is normal for you?

Please explain, because these persons are getting more and more, so maybe everyone's stupid?
 
Firstly i did not mean people requiring to buy things,i was refering to certain irrelevant posts and others who will remaayan nameless posting for the sake of it.
Mike did not say whiny bitches it was me.
Most of the orders from here are not normal anyway they more of a kickstarter as we sent cash to Mike and said post me a kit when it is done.
Anyway he is alive and working hard .
darren
 
stocaz said:
cheekybloke said:
i got an email from MIke a couple of days back.
he is very busy and concerned about his reputation as some people are whiny bitches and others cant shut up and stop asking stupid questions.
darren
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Customers asking for parts they DO WANT to buy, people that need help if they have problems with some parts, are bitches?
A seller that disappear while many people ask about products or delays ..is normal for you?

Please explain, because these persons are getting more and more, so maybe everyone's stupid?
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Asking for parts is one thing. But i've seen the emails Mike gets, and I have had the same exchanges with many of you over technical questions. Do you know how long it takes to answer your 2 full page emails. Longer than it takes you guys to write it. Answering 1, 2, or even half a dozen is one thing. But when your getting 20-30 + long winded emails that mostly repeat themselves, well there is just so much time in a day. And I've read many of these emails, including my own exchanges with some of you, and they are long to read, longer to reply.

Mike's error, was at the begging, when he was taking 3/4 of his days to answer all these emails. And that was when he was getting less than a dozen a day. It set a precedence and now everyone expects him to do it and everyone expects the personal hand holding by Mike's through their projects.

And before i get flamed, I used the word "everyone" in a very "loose way".


If you have technical questions, post your questions in the forums, in this thread, or start your own thread, you will get tons of replies and help. This thread is for technical discussions about the various LR parts. So go complain somewhere else and keep this thread for what it was intended for. This is not a customer service thread. If you got issues, questions, comments and queries, send him an email. If he doesn't reply to you, that is your problem and you deal with it how you seem fit. Don't make it the communities problem and don't pollute this thread.

You don't like the service, then go buy your parts in a store where you can get them on the spot. There is plenty of people who understand the situation and are more than happy to wait for their parts. No surprise that Mike seems to respond to those people. Get the hint.

Wishes
 
Hi,

seems to me that if i can get a flange adapter for the token freewheel, i'll be all set.
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If you search Gary Goodrum's posts for "Big Cheese", there is at least one post where he explains in detail how to build what you want. Here he just mentions it briefly:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8035&p=195172&hilit=+Big+cheese#p195172
You can use any freewheel, with the standard 1.37" 24tpi threads. Many work with standard 3/32" chain....

For use with regular bicycle chainrings, you can use a Dimension "Big Cheese" 110mm BCD adapter and drill out the bore with a 2-1/8" hole saw:
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This thread is for technical discussions about the various LR parts. So go complain somewhere else and keep this thread for what it was intended for. This is not a customer service thread. If you got issues, questions, comments and queries, send him an email. If he doesn't reply to you, that is your problem and you deal with it how you seem fit. Don't make it the communities problem and don't pollute this thread.
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Well said (your entire post)!!
+10
 
Good to know he's not unwell anyway.

Is it suitable to post queries or information about a pending order here if it hasn't been dealt with via PM already? I hope so cos I'm going to.

My order is close to being (if not already) in production.
Mike's last pm to me to confirm the standard brackets will fit the new bike (Giant Anthem) I've bought to use for the kit, he said he seemed to remember I'm ordering a Big Block kit.
That's not what I'm after, I've asked (and sent payment for) a standard kit NOT A BIG BLOCK. He hasn't replied but I hope that's what he's putting together for me.

I wouldn't call it nagging to ask for a production update either, its been a while since the last date and seeing the current progress will give some of the pending orders some idea of a time-frame for when they'll be in production.
 
t0me said:
Good to know he's not unwell anyway.

Is it suitable to post queries or information about a pending order here if it hasn't been dealt with via PM already? I hope so cos I'm going to.

My order is close to being (if not already) in production.
Mike's last pm to me to confirm the standard brackets will fit the new bike (Giant Anthem) I've bought to use for the kit, he said he seemed to remember I'm ordering a Big Block kit.
That's not what I'm after, I've asked (and sent payment for) a standard kit NOT A BIG BLOCK. He hasn't replied but I hope that's what he's putting together for me.

I wouldn't call it nagging to ask for a production update either, its been a while since the last date and seeing the current progress will give some of the pending orders some idea of a time-frame for when they'll be in production.
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I 100% agree with you t0me, you are not nagging at all to request a production update. Although it's Mike's fault for posting order and production info on this thread at the begging, but for the obvious reasons of late, LR is no longer posting, and has not posted in a while, any order information in this thread. So although you are not wrong and I do not think you are a nagger to want to know, don't pollute this thread with order info request. You are clearly not going to get an answer to your order info in this thread. Posting to it, is just polluting it for the rest of us. LR is a responsible person, I don't think you will get something you didn't order. I'm sure he will contact you to finalize any details when he gets to your order in his line of production.

I'm not an admin of this site, not even a moderator of any kind, I'm not in business with LR either. I'm not and couldn't if I wanted to, tell anyone what to do, I'm simply expressing my opinion on this thread's direction as a contributing, and like everyone else, a benefiting member of this community.

STOP the pollution. Keep your order info requests to PM or emails. If he doesn't respond to you it is because he does not have the time and he will all in due course. If you don't like his due course, it is your problem, not the rest of the ES community. Start our own thread and bitch all you want if the moderators let you.

Wishes
 
jdevo2004 said:
I would just like to report that Mike was very quick in replying to my email about a replacement motor. He sent one out the next day express mail and I received it this past Wednesday. I am happy to report that it is much quieter and smoother than my first motor. The only issue that I am working through right now is a custom chain guide to prevent my bike chain from falling off when I am in the higher gears. I have bought a small piece of Delrin plastic (hard plastic infused with Teflon) that I am going to shape into a chain guide for 6 dollars. Should have something together this week sometime and I will do some more videos to tell you all about my small, easy and cheap modifications that I have done with the kit to get it working right for my particular bike.
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I had the same problem with my Kona, the chain would drop on the chain rings when I had it in the lower gears. Something to do with the angle of the cassette and the chain rings. I tried reducing the gears in the back to shorten my cassette and used spacers to offset it so I would get a better chain angle on those lower gears. It helped, as it reduced the amount of times my chain would drop. But it did not eliminate the problem. I ended up rigging up a chain guide out of plastic I bought. Had to do a bit of grinding to get it to fit, but it completely eliminated the chain drop issue.

Good luck fitting the chain guide. Let us know how it turns out.

Wishes
 
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Chain guides would seem to present a problem for 100mm BB owners. I am losing one of my chain rings (no big deal) to maintain my chain line, but would adding a guide like the one pictured throw off the LR bottom bracket mount?
 
I need someone's knowledge about a way to use the lightening rod kit with my 1997 GT LTS-1 I have a 34mm internal threaded bottom bracket and it uses the Shimano un72 and shimano square tapered spindles. How will I be able to use Mike's kit on this bike... Oh and the bottom bracket is 73mm wide. Thanks .....
 
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