new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

[evolutiongts]

Hey does the Sabvoton controller make any difference in noise? I found mine is fairly quiet, so I was wondering if the Sabvoton sinewave controller makes any difference... has anyone tried a FOC controller?

G.

Maybe slightly quieter, there is still chain noise. Controller is much smoother, and the power is the same if not greater than the cyclone controller.

The bolts and spacers on my cyclone kit are all bent from the load and torque from the motor.

I have a few cyclone motors here, but I don't want to sell them until they are developed and "bullet proof" because the stock hardware is junk.

 

[gman1971]

Thanks for the hints about the controller. Mine is pretty much silent when at speed, all I hear is the tires and some chain noise...

As for bent bolts, yes, you really need to do the mod I did to mine to strengthen the supports/mounts. I haven't had any issues with mine at all. I also added a metal block to one of the sides of the motor so it now rests against the frame when throttle is applied, thus preventing further flex.

G.

 

[gman1971]

So, after much thought I figured I jump into something new after my success (to date) with my eBike... so I've never ridden a tadpole trike, and these look like you're flying an F-16... so I think am going to build a Trike using another Cyclone 3000W kit... I've been eyeing the Performer Trike-X, thoughts?

G.

 

[Aftonrider]

Hi cyclone beast lovers

I'm at a good point in my trike build. It's a atomic zombie delta wolf speed trike. It has a 20" front wheel with spring shocks from a kids bike. The frame is made of 1-1/2" X 1-1/2" cold steel. 26" rear wheels, drive train is a 5/8" axel with hand built hubs. It's low to the ground and fast with the 6 speed shamino set up with indexed shifting. The rear has a single mech disc brake and rim brake in the front wheel.

I want to install a Cyclone 3000 watt beast kit from Sick Bike Parts. I plan on buying it soon wanted your input so that I get the proper chain rings and extra. I plan on using a Lyen 3077 programmable controller, I may put the motor in the chain line instead of running the motor to the bottom bracket. Cyclone makes a recumbent that has it installed in the chain line. But that's not in stone. Ide like to run 48 volt turnigy packs as the battery. Three way Lyen switch and a thumb throttle.

I'm looking for some help with this build as this is my first e bike project. I'm supper stoked and can wait to ride the back roads of NYS. I'll come back and add a link to a cloud library with a bunch of photos.

Thanks

Afton Rider
Dom

 

[gman1971]

Hi cyclone beast lovers

I'm at a good point in my trike build. It's a atomic zombie delta wolf speed trike. It has a 20" front wheel with spring shocks from a kids bike. The frame is made of 1-1/2" X 1-1/2" cold steel. 26" rear wheels, drive train is a 5/8" axel with hand built hubs. It's low to the ground and fast with the 6 speed shamino set up with indexed shifting. The rear has a single mech disc brake and rim brake in the front wheel.

I want to install a Cyclone 3000 watt beast kit from Sick Bike Parts. I plan on buying it soon wanted your input so that I get the proper chain rings and extra. I plan on using a Lyen 3077 programmable controller, I may put the motor in the chain line instead of running the motor to the bottom bracket. Cyclone makes a recumbent that has it installed in the chain line. But that's not in stone. Ide like to run 48 volt turnigy packs as the battery. Three way Lyen switch and a thumb throttle.

I'm looking for some help with this build as this is my first e bike project. I'm supper stoked and can wait to ride the back roads of NYS. I'll come back and add a link to a cloud library with a bunch of photos.

Thanks

Afton Rider
Dom

Nice... very nice!

What kind of help can we provide?

And speaking of trikes, well I am now eyeing a trike build as well, but a tadpole instead, not a delta trike...

G.

 

[Aftonrider]

Thanks so much for the reply Gman

I'm new to this ebike thing. This is my first build and just looking for personal experience from others who have the 3000 watt cyclone kit.

I've heard good things about the stock controller and wanted to know if anyone out there has used a lyen 3077 controller.

Q: is there any advantages to using a Lyen 3077 programmable controller?

I'm going to get the stock sprockets and the upgraded freewheel fron Sick Bike Parts. 44T and 36T

Q: are the stock sprockets adequate for good low end and top speed?

I've seen some posts that say the BB mounting brackets flex a bit and could be an issue.

Q: should I get a pair made of steel to avoid any problems?

I'd like to use turnigy Lipo batts. 36-48-72 volt.

Q: what's a good voltage to start out with for testing and such?

I'm sure I'll have many other questions when I get the kit. This will give me a good starting point

Thanks so much for the help and I hope I posted my questions properly.

Afton Rider
Dom

Peace.

 

[gman1971]

Np,

My experience with this kit has been flawless, I haven't had any issues with it. I am already thinking about a 2nd build with a Tadpole trike... so I am real happy.

I have never used the Lyen controllers, so I cannot say... I know the sinewave controller might offer some improved efficiency, and if you can get a FOC controller then that would be the way to go. ( I think the Phaserunner does FOC, but not sure, $$$$ tho)

The motor freewheel is pretty strong, I would use a BMX chain here instead of a MTB one... but thats just my thought. The cyclone crank is pretty strong too... and I would use it.

I would advice not to use the 44-36 on such a high weight application. Use a smaller chainring for cassette than for motor... I would go with the opposite instead and let the rear cassette do the leverage (not the crank), For my trike build I will go with a 40T-48T-24T triple chain, so I would advice to go that route for what you're building. In the case of a heavy trike you really want to lower the stress of the chain by cranking the RPM as high as you can possibly go.

The stock hardware is fine for most applications; I can see that cranking wheelies all day long or running 5 kW of power through it would make it snap... but at the rated stock power it should be fine. I also posted a few tweaks to the motor mounts to strengthen them. Also, if you go the route of RPM I am proposing here you won't need to worry about flex as much as you would with a high torque application.

I run Multistar 6S 12000 Ah packs on mine, any LiPo is fine... as long as you know the "warnings" with these.

I would start at 12S Lipo or 14S LiFePo, then you can judge. Mine is stupid fast on 12S LiPo... I assume it would be the same in 14S LiFePo...


G.

Thanks so much for the reply Gman

I'm new to this ebike thing. This is my first build and just looking for personal experience from others who have the 3000 watt cyclone kit.

I've heard good things about the stock controller and wanted to know if anyone out there has used a lyen 3077 controller.

Q: is there any advantages to using a Lyen 3077 programmable controller?

I'm going to get the stock sprockets and the upgraded freewheel fron Sick Bike Parts. 44T and 36T

Q: are the stock sprockets adequate for good low end and top speed?

I've seen some posts that say the BB mounting brackets flex a bit and could be an issue.

Q: should I get a pair made of steel to avoid any problems?

I'd like to use turnigy Lipo batts. 36-48-72 volt.

Q: what's a good voltage to start out with for testing and such?

I'm sure I'll have many other questions when I get the kit. This will give me a good starting point

Thanks so much for the help and I hope I posted my questions properly.

Afton Rider
Dom

Peace.

 

[Aftonrider]

Np,

My experience with this kit has been flawless, I haven't had any issues with it. I am already thinking about a 2nd build with a Tadpole trike... so I am real happy.

I have never used the Lyen controllers, so I cannot say... I know the sinewave controller might offer some improved efficiency, and if you can get a FOC controller then that would be the way to go. ( I think the Phaserunner does FOC, but not sure, $$$$ tho)

The motor freewheel is pretty strong, I would use a BMX chain here instead of a MTB one... but thats just my thought. The cyclone crank is pretty strong too... and I would use it.

I would advice not to use the 44-36 on such a high weight application. Use a smaller chainring for cassette than for motor... I would go with the opposite instead and let the rear cassette do the leverage (not the crank), For my trike build I will go with a 40T-48T-24T triple chain, so I would advice to go that route for what you're building. In the case of a heavy trike you really want to lower the stress of the chain by cranking the RPM as high as you can possibly go.

The stock hardware is fine for most applications; I can see that cranking wheelies all day long or running 5 kW of power through it would make it snap... but at the rated stock power it should be fine. I also posted a few tweaks to the motor mounts to strengthen them. Also, if you go the route of RPM I am proposing here you won't need to worry about flex as much as you would with a high torque application.

I run Multistar 6S 12000 Ah packs on mine, any LiPo is fine... as long as you know the "warnings" with these.

I would start at 12S Lipo or 14S LiFePo, then you can judge. Mine is stupid fast on 12S LiPo... I assume it would be the same in 14S LiFePo...


Hello G

Thanks so much helping me with my questions. I'm going to look into the sine wave controllers. I need to check with Ed Lyen, his controllers might be sine wave.

I'm going to take your advise on the chain rings and go with 40t for the motor and a 48t for the chain drive. I'll order it that way from Sick Bike Parts. Thanks for the heads up on that, my trike is heavy and I'm sure that will help.

Most of my riding will be cruising around the countryside on hard roads so I'll just use the stock mounting brackets. I'll also check out your bracket mod.

I'll also start out with 12S lipo @ 48 volts as you recommended. All I have to do is dismantle my trike to get it out of the basement. Ha ha. I'll start testing tomorrow to make sure all things stay put and the drivetrain is working smoothly.

Thanks a lot for the advise and I'll be back to pick your brain some more.

Peace brother :lol:

Afton Rider
Dom

 

[gman1971]

Np,

Make sure you get a 11-36T cassette, at least a 14-36T if you cannot locate an 11-36T... the reasoning behind this is you'll be needing the high sprockets to convert all those RPM into useful torque a the rear wheel. I would use the 48T for road cruising on motor (or even on pedals) and the 24T for low speed towing or climbing up very steep hills on pedal power. The 24/36 will give you a 1.5 gear ratio, which should be able to make your trike climb up a tree even on pedal power. (which believe me, it might save you from walking if you run out of juice on the pack)

On a trike you don't really have much of an issue with crosschaining since the chain is soo darn long... so as long as you have 36T cog, or even 42 if you can locate one of those, any given number of gears should be fine; From what I've learn here is that the thicker the chain the longer it will longer... and that coupled with decreased force transferred through the chain should provide a very long lasting drivetrain.

The bracked modification is here, see my post down the page: (sorry pics are so huge)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=69867&start=50

G.

 

[Aftonrider]

All of you guys that are having jumpy throttles, I suggest upgrading to a proper programable controller that you can tweak the battery and phase amps ratio to something that starts smooth when you throttle up. this will save your gear box and bike drivetrain from having issues due to the tremendous amount of torque this kit has. Most probably the stock controller are configured for direct drive hub motor which requires a higher battery to phase amps ratio to turn that massive bicycle wheel without any reduction. In a mid drive you really don't need that as you already have all that reduction and the motor spinning easily from standstill. This is also applicable to the GNG and other Cyclone mid drives out there. How do I know? you don't wanna know lol, but got trails of parts to prove it till I found this solution from the threads of the high power hub motor guys.

i thought this thing comes with a kelly controller? is that programmable?

You may want to look at This site.

http://www.lyen.com

Ed has some great parts for us ebike freaks.

Afton Rider
Dom

 

[gman1971]

All of you guys that are having jumpy throttles, I suggest upgrading to a proper programable controller that you can tweak the battery and phase amps ratio to something that starts smooth when you throttle up. this will save your gear box and bike drivetrain from having issues due to the tremendous amount of torque this kit has. Most probably the stock controller are configured for direct drive hub motor which requires a higher battery to phase amps ratio to turn that massive bicycle wheel without any reduction. In a mid drive you really don't need that as you already have all that reduction and the motor spinning easily from standstill. This is also applicable to the GNG and other Cyclone mid drives out there. How do I know? you don't wanna know lol, but got trails of parts to prove it till I found this solution from the threads of the high power hub motor guys.

i thought this thing comes with a kelly controller? is that programmable?

You may want to look at This site.

http://www.lyen.com

Ed has some great parts for us ebike freaks.

Afton Rider
Dom

I am really happy with my stock throttle, so I have no need to get anything else. Thank you!

G.

 

[gman1971]

So today I was at a big bicycle show in Madison WI and had the chance to take five different trikes for a test ride. BTW, this was my first time ever riding a trike too, soo...

...I am sorry if I offed the upright bike crowd, but I will never ride an upright bike ever again; well, unless I don't have a choice, that is. With little effort I was doing 25mph on human power alone, and I felt I was riding inside a Formula One... it just felt freaking amazing; I was also expecting a lead sled.. well, these things are lighter than my ebike...

So, the Trikes I tested today where:
Catrike Road
Catrike Pocket
FS Scorpion
ICE (something)
Catrike (something)

The one I liked the best was the Catrike Road. I was expecting the FS Scorpion to be the best, but in the end it was the worst of all... too long, I almost tripped when sitting on it. I also liked the Catrike Pocket, which sort of felt perfect for my short 5' 7 1/2" body.

I also learned that suspension isn't that big of deal on these things as some people claimed; suspension IMO didn't make much of a difference. Today, three of the five models had rear suspension (none with front unfortunately), one was air shock, one with elastomer and another with spring/oil, and really I couldn't tell the difference between these and the two rigid frame ones I tested.

So it is official at this point and I am getting the KMX Cobra. The reason of why a KMX is because I don't think a rigid trike (no suspension) is worth 3 grand, be it made by ICE, FS, the Pope or Buddha... I also want a steel frame since I plan on sticking a Cyclone 3000W motor in it... and this time I will be running an upgraded battery: a 40Ah 18S battery pack, which should potentially yield 60+mph (or even 70mph) top speeds and a 40-50 mile range on motor alone. I am working on the money logistics ATM but I expect to have this project started in less than two weeks. I can't wait to ditch the upright and start feeling like a fighter pilot riding my e-trike at 60mph!

I won't be selling my upright eBike, I still need a backup.

G.

 

[eride]

Saw this 100mm Vortexbike.com ISIS BB, axle 168mmL, last week at Taipei Cycle. (It's the same brand as the 68-73mm and 83mm ISIS BB from Cyclone)
Would that work on a 100mm BB fat-bike with the Cyclone?

 

[Aftonrider]

So today I was at a big bicycle show in Madison WI and had the chance to take five different trikes for a test ride. BTW, this was my first time ever riding a trike too, soo...

...I am sorry if I offed the upright bike crowd, but I will never ride an upright bike ever again; well, unless I don't have a choice, that is. With little effort I was doing 25mph on human power alone, and I felt I was riding inside a Formula One... it just felt freaking amazing; I was also expecting a lead sled.. well, these things are lighter than my ebike...

So, the Trikes I tested today where:
Catrike Road
Catrike Pocket
FS Scorpion
ICE (something)
Catrike (something)

The one I liked the best was the Catrike Road. I was expecting the FS Scorpion to be the best, but in the end it was the worst of all... too long, I almost tripped when sitting on it. I also liked the Catrike Pocket, which sort of felt perfect for my short 5' 7 1/2" body.

I also learned that suspension isn't that big of deal on these things as some people claimed; suspension IMO didn't make much of a difference. Today, three of the five models had rear suspension (none with front unfortunately), one was air shock, one with elastomer and another with spring/oil, and really I couldn't tell the difference between these and the two rigid frame ones I tested.

So it is official at this point and I am getting the KMX Cobra. The reason of why a KMX is because I don't think a rigid trike (no suspension) is worth 3 grand, be it made by ICE, FS, the Pope or Buddha... I also want a steel frame since I plan on sticking a Cyclone 3000W motor in it... and this time I will be running an upgraded battery: a 40Ah 18S battery pack, which should potentially yield 60+mph (or even 70mph) top speeds and a 40-50 mile range on motor alone. I am working on the money logistics ATM but I expect to have this project started in less than two weeks. I can't wait to ditch the upright and start feeling like a fighter pilot riding my e-trike at 60mph!

I won't be selling my upright eBike, I still need a backup.

G.

Hi Gman

Your entering a whole new world with recumbent tadpoles. I've tested some of those you rode and there all amazing. The KMX trikes are amazing and priced right. I was going to buy a KMX but opted to build my own as there priced to sell but we're to much for my budget.

Good luck with your build and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

Ride safe Gman

Afton Rider
Dom

 

[gman1971]

Thanks Dom,

I went back today again to the bicycle expo to test ride those things, again... man, let me tell you, I am in sold. I have my eBike that works well, so the Trike will be something I take my time to build since I don't need something right away.

Ride safe as well!

I'll be watching your progress, if you need anything, just PM me and I'll respond.

G.

 

[Aftonrider]

Thanks Dom,

I went back today again to the bicycle expo to test ride those things, again... man, let me tell you, I am in sold. I have my eBike that works well, so the Trike will be something I take my time to build since I don't need something right away.

Ride safe as well!

I'll be watching your progress, if you need anything, just PM me and I'll respond.

G.

Hi Gman

I've been checking out your vids, cool stuff. I'm sure your tadpole will be amazing.

Here's a link to some pics of my trike

http://forum.atomiczombie.com/gallery/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=9105

Check them out.

Afton Rider
Dom

 

[DingusMcGee]

...I am sorry if I offed the upright bike crowd, but I will never ride an upright bike ever again

Let's go trail riding!

 

[DingusMcGee]

We had a deep wet snowstorm last week and when riding, snow was pushed between the two big chain rings forcing the motor chain off towards the plastic chainring chainguard. Soon that plastic guard broke.

Rather that purchase a new guard, I extended the coverage of the home built polycarbonate motor pulley guard to cover the big motor chainring where clothing might get caught.



When the chainguard was off I replaced the OEM tensioner pulley with one having a better chain mating profile and roller bearings. This replacement lessened the already quite quiet drivetrain whisper/sound.

 

[BoomerChomsi]

Hi guys,

How does this new kit perform, any durability issues yet?
Will it fits a 100mm BB bike?

Thank you all!

 

[DingusMcGee]

BoomerChomsi,

does this kit perform? I have this kit and the LR Sm BK. If you have some mechanical skills, this kit with some additions will perform just as reliably as the LR kit and it costs 40% as much.

 

[BoomerChomsi]

Thanks for your info mate!

Yes I have some skills, that is not the problem

What do mean by BK?

 

[DingusMcGee]

BK there is to mean Block. I have the Lightning Rod Small Block which is sold as a 1500 watts mid drive motor kit. Perhaps not the best choice of abbreviation methods.

 

[BoomerChomsi]

Thank you! Will have some look at those Cyclone kits

 

[sather]

To: Gman1971
I just ordered a Cyclone from Luna. I would really appreciate your help with the install.
Questions:
1. Will the bottom bracket that comes with the stock Cyclone damage my bike? If so
will the optional ISIS bottom bracket and cranks that Luna sells be adequate?
2. What are the instructions for getting the cyclone into Mode #3?
3. Where is the best place to buy triple chainrings for the cyclone?
4. I notice on Youtube that you are using a Cycle analyst . Does it plug directly into the Cyclone controller, or require modification to the plugs? Which model of CycleAnalyst? Do you use the Bus model?
5. What type voltage regulator (brand, model and where to buy) do you use to get down to 7.5 volts for headlight and horn?
I would be grateful for any info you can provide.

Thanks

 

[gman1971]

Sorry I was away, prepping for my next Cyclone 3000W round...

and it is official: I just ordered a KMX frame kit, along with all the components to replicate my eBike drivetrain. Same RD-615 shadow plus with clutch... same deal. I've already mocked up the right handle with the SLX sequential shifters, throttle and some other fancy stuff.... it looks more like an F-16 HOTAS than a trike steering lever.

I haven't ordered the motor yet, first I want to get the trike put together and get familiar with riding it on human power, well at least for one week... after that I plan on bolting a whopping 4.5 kW by shunting the Cyclone 3000W controller. With the 20 gears it should be capable of more than 70mph top speed.

I'll be running 3 BB7 mechanical brakes, the two front ones will be 180 mm and the rear one I'll leave as 160.

For batteries I will be running x3 Multistar 20,000 mAh in series for 18S, or 72V. I am tempted to go x6, but I think I'll have to see how much space these occupy first before proceeding with extra packs. With x6 20,000 packs it will probably have more than 300 mile range... so I won't be needing to charge my batteries twice a day (like I do now)

I'll be running a long AWG8 (or 10) wiring from the battery pack, which will be placed behind the seat, to the motor controller which will be located on the front mast. I've used my current ebike to figure out clearances on the Cyclone and while it might not be the prettiest front end on a Trike, but that will all be forgotten when it blasts from zero to 60 mph in a handful of seconds...

I'll start wrenching this guy together next week once it arrives... most of the other stuff comes from Amazon so I should have nearly all the parts ready to go by this weekend. I can't wait to feel like Fernando Alonso romping through the gears like a Formula 1!!

G.