latecurtis
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50 MPH. ???
THE ONLY THING THAT DON'T MATCH IS MY WALLET RIGHT NOW.
TOO MANY BILLS.
THE ONLY THING THAT DON'T MATCH IS MY WALLET RIGHT NOW.
TOO MANY BILLS.
new eZip motor
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latecurtis
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DrkAngel
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Get it out of your system!
If you just need to hit 50mph ... once should be enough, just get a starter motor out of an old Cadillac, stack up all your SlA and hit the switch?
If you just need to hit 50mph ... once should be enough, just get a starter motor out of an old Cadillac, stack up all your SlA and hit the switch?
DrkAngel
1 GW
2100 rpm - 12 Volt - 4.5 hp -$83.10 delivered
DAND214
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Don't need much to do it. DA said before a few bricks and big hill and your set. Sure hope the hill doesn't end at a turn.
Starter motor from a Ford is what I used as a kid for a fast go kart. Could make a couple passes down the street and I had to charge the big car battery. It was too fast to go all out but what a blast.
Dan
Starter motor from a Ford is what I used as a kid for a fast go kart. Could make a couple passes down the street and I had to charge the big car battery. It was too fast to go all out but what a blast.
Dan
latecurtis
100 MW
TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!!
I will definitely be ordering that.
Don't worry though I wont be running it here in the city. That will be for the country where my brother Jeremy lives. About 35 miles due west where the Amish people ride with horses and carriages and my brothers and their cousins race four wheelers. There is very little traffic and smooth country roads. I will wear a helmet like they do and treat it well, like a four wheeler.
The 24" bike with the 20" wheel running 44V LiPo is faster than anything I need to run here in the city. I will get a speedo. when I get Dans packs up and running and my bet it is running just under 30 mph. 28 mph is my guess and with the traffic and conditions of the roads here only a select few places where I can safely do that speed and only for short periods of time. Thanks very much for that. You guys are trully AWSOME!!!
LC. out.
I will definitely be ordering that.
Don't worry though I wont be running it here in the city. That will be for the country where my brother Jeremy lives. About 35 miles due west where the Amish people ride with horses and carriages and my brothers and their cousins race four wheelers. There is very little traffic and smooth country roads. I will wear a helmet like they do and treat it well, like a four wheeler.
The 24" bike with the 20" wheel running 44V LiPo is faster than anything I need to run here in the city. I will get a speedo. when I get Dans packs up and running and my bet it is running just under 30 mph. 28 mph is my guess and with the traffic and conditions of the roads here only a select few places where I can safely do that speed and only for short periods of time. Thanks very much for that. You guys are trully AWSOME!!!
LC. out.
DrkAngel
1 GW
Your 40A controller will get you up to about 25mph.
Then you can short batteries directly into motor for full speed.
Throttle up 40A till full speed then engage a contactor for the full 400A necessary for full power ... hold on to your ass Fred!
$10 more for ball-bearing version
Then you can short batteries directly into motor for full speed.
Throttle up 40A till full speed then engage a contactor for the full 400A necessary for full power ... hold on to your ass Fred!
$10 more for ball-bearing version
DrkAngel
1 GW
DrkAngel said:
~400A contactor necessary!
Lesser-cheaper contactor may weld closed, resulting in uncontrolled travel-demise.
Ejection seat advised as reasonable option.
latecurtis
100 MW
Basically it should smoke a four wheeler.
I think I will look around for a 400 amp controller though. looking now.
https://www.amazon.com/Electrical-LRW0017-Bearing-Horsepower-Mbj4201/dp/B008AUZPIO/ref=pd_sbs_263_1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B008AUZPIO&pd_rd_r=Z20S1V9W233KZED5GZMF&pd_rd_w=y0gDg&pd_rd_wg=upmqY&psc=1&refRID=Z20S1V9W233KZED5GZMF
this the 6 horsepower version and only 2 pounds heavier.
At 2100 rpm a 27" wheel only requires a 36 tooth spoke sprocket kit for 50 mph gearing.
I am looking at FAT bikes with disk front and rear for this build. I am looking now.
I think I will look around for a 400 amp controller though. looking now.
https://www.amazon.com/Electrical-LRW0017-Bearing-Horsepower-Mbj4201/dp/B008AUZPIO/ref=pd_sbs_263_1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B008AUZPIO&pd_rd_r=Z20S1V9W233KZED5GZMF&pd_rd_w=y0gDg&pd_rd_wg=upmqY&psc=1&refRID=Z20S1V9W233KZED5GZMF
this the 6 horsepower version and only 2 pounds heavier.
At 2100 rpm a 27" wheel only requires a 36 tooth spoke sprocket kit for 50 mph gearing.
I am looking at FAT bikes with disk front and rear for this build. I am looking now.
latecurtis
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As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. three more builds./ LiPo shoot.
If you click on the picture you will see it larger or full size.
The back rim next to it is the back wheel off the Currie. The 26" wheel which is going on the 26" Diamond Back at Doug's house
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latecurtis
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My 16 Ah LiPo packs are charged and ready to go. I will be going to Wall- Mart to pick up a 29" tube for that bike which will be getting the 6 horsepower winch motor. :lol:
I will then be taking the 26: rear wheel from the Currie over to Doug's house for the 26" Diamond Back bike I am building over there and picking up the 20" wheel with the old 80 tooth #25 sprocket bolted to the freewheel which will go on the front of the bike that had the 2 by 4 motor deal on the handlebars. I already have the #25 chain and 11 tooth #25 motor sprocket on that Unite 500W motor. The 26" Dimond Back will get the 36V 800W Unite motor which sits on the front porch next to the 500W motor.
That is three new builds or two new builds and one rebuild. It looks like we will hit 200 pages. :lol:
I will then be taking the 26: rear wheel from the Currie over to Doug's house for the 26" Diamond Back bike I am building over there and picking up the 20" wheel with the old 80 tooth #25 sprocket bolted to the freewheel which will go on the front of the bike that had the 2 by 4 motor deal on the handlebars. I already have the #25 chain and 11 tooth #25 motor sprocket on that Unite 500W motor. The 26" Dimond Back will get the 36V 800W Unite motor which sits on the front porch next to the 500W motor.
That is three new builds or two new builds and one rebuild. It looks like we will hit 200 pages. :lol:
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latecurtis
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This is for DA because I know he runs a computer store. These are all machines Doug built.
The top picture is the 8 core AMD Flagship which is AMD gaming standard. Their flagship processor 4 gig per core. I posted it awhile ago but just got it running as it needed a hard drive. it is the link below the bottom picture.I need a power cable and a mouse to hook it up. It has a hdmI cable to the 32" TV.
The 6 core APU is the gateway I am using now and the red machine the intel machine Doug just built for me yesterday. That will get an I5 Devels canyon later on maybe. Or maybe not as when I get a power cord I will be firing up the 8 core.
My question for DA is Doug says the i5 devils canyon which is a quad core with hyper threading will outperform the 8 core AMD and I cant figure out how that can be. Anyway Doug can build anything. I need to get going so I can get stuff done. thanks.
LC. out.
The top picture is the 8 core AMD Flagship which is AMD gaming standard. Their flagship processor 4 gig per core. I posted it awhile ago but just got it running as it needed a hard drive. it is the link below the bottom picture.I need a power cable and a mouse to hook it up. It has a hdmI cable to the 32" TV.
The 6 core APU is the gateway I am using now and the red machine the intel machine Doug just built for me yesterday. That will get an I5 Devels canyon later on maybe. Or maybe not as when I get a power cord I will be firing up the 8 core.
My question for DA is Doug says the i5 devils canyon which is a quad core with hyper threading will outperform the 8 core AMD and I cant figure out how that can be. Anyway Doug can build anything. I need to get going so I can get stuff done. thanks.
LC. out.
latecurtis
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As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. I can drive 55
This bike seems kind of light but definitely NOT a kids bike.
Any idea how I will mount the 22 pound 6 HP electric winch motor.
Also what about a 14V 5 kilowatt controller ?
Gearing will be for 55 mph. The speed limit on most highways.
This bike seems kind of light but definitely NOT a kids bike.
Any idea how I will mount the 22 pound 6 HP electric winch motor.
Also what about a 14V 5 kilowatt controller ?
Gearing will be for 55 mph. The speed limit on most highways.
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latecurtis
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q2H7J1I?psc=1
I know I am really stupid when it boils down to this technical stuff but will this work somehow to control the beast.
iI already know that 6 HP will hurt someone and not to be trifled with. However I grew up with kids that rode 2 stroke dirt bikes like a 125 Kawasaki and other nastey 2 stroke motors. I never learned how to do the gears to ride one but can appreciate the power. and learn to respect it but don't have the skills necessary to ride a gear shifting gas powered crotch rocket so this build will be the closest I will ever come to being a biker so please help me with this.
LC. out.
I know I am really stupid when it boils down to this technical stuff but will this work somehow to control the beast.
iI already know that 6 HP will hurt someone and not to be trifled with. However I grew up with kids that rode 2 stroke dirt bikes like a 125 Kawasaki and other nastey 2 stroke motors. I never learned how to do the gears to ride one but can appreciate the power. and learn to respect it but don't have the skills necessary to ride a gear shifting gas powered crotch rocket so this build will be the closest I will ever come to being a biker so please help me with this.
LC. out.
Sunder
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Have you lost the plot?latecurtis said:
5000w/v 14 = 357A
What do you have that could possibly deliver that kind of power? 5Ah Lipo Packs @ 20c will only last if you do less than 5c. So 5Ah x 5 = 25A. Maybe 15 of those in parallel?
Maybe you have some super-capacitors you haven't told us about? If so, start sharing! I want a set!
latecurtis
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Wagan-600-Amp-Battery-Jumper-Jumpstarter-with-Air-Compressor-and-LED-Worklight/19714435?action=product_interest&action_type=title&item_id=19714435&placement_id=irs-106-t1&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id&category=&client_guid=db623936-5be5-488c-8e18-f402188faff4&customer_id_enc&config_id=106&parent_item_id=10928425&parent_anchor_item_id=10928425&guid=a0149351-75a9-4a20-85a2-56b4099cbf80&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&beacon_version=1.0.1&findingMethod=p13n
I guess there is no way of hooking up a controller to this. :lol:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-30V-100A-3000W-Programable-Reversible-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-PWM-Control-/371521297570?hash=item5680651ca2:g:eTMAAOSwX~dWhO2o
Will this get me up to 40 mph ?
Unit Type Alternator
Part Type UNIT
Voltage 12
Free running Speed 2100 RPM
Rotation BI
KW 6.0 HP
Brief
WESTERN MOTORS W-7643
2100 RPM / 12 = 175 RPM so 16V = 2800 RPM. The controller = 100 AMPS so total power = 1600W. top speed and gearing would = 35 mph.
Will this work or will the controller just catch on fire ?
The limit on the highest amp controller that I saw is 100 amp. The link is posted above and is under $100. Will it work ? If so I could run 4S LiPo in parallel.
Please let me know. LC. out.
I guess there is no way of hooking up a controller to this. :lol:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-30V-100A-3000W-Programable-Reversible-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-PWM-Control-/371521297570?hash=item5680651ca2:g:eTMAAOSwX~dWhO2o
Will this get me up to 40 mph ?
Unit Type Alternator
Part Type UNIT
Voltage 12
Free running Speed 2100 RPM
Rotation BI
KW 6.0 HP
Brief
WESTERN MOTORS W-7643
2100 RPM / 12 = 175 RPM so 16V = 2800 RPM. The controller = 100 AMPS so total power = 1600W. top speed and gearing would = 35 mph.
Will this work or will the controller just catch on fire ?
The limit on the highest amp controller that I saw is 100 amp. The link is posted above and is under $100. Will it work ? If so I could run 4S LiPo in parallel.
Please let me know. LC. out.
Sunder
10 MW
Haha. You realise that the jump starter is just a couple SLAs given a nice package?
If battery manufacturers follow SAE J537, then whatever current they can put out for 30 seconds without dropping below 7.4v is the "cold cranking amps" of that battery.
So yes, that jump starter can deliver 600a - but only at 7.4v for 30 seconds. Gonna need something bigger
If battery manufacturers follow SAE J537, then whatever current they can put out for 30 seconds without dropping below 7.4v is the "cold cranking amps" of that battery.
So yes, that jump starter can deliver 600a - but only at 7.4v for 30 seconds. Gonna need something bigger
latecurtis
100 MW
If I can get 35 mph with the motor I will be good for now. I can always upgrade later. The thing is the jump starter will have an extended warranty for about three years so when it fails i can get a new one. However how do I hook it up to a 500A 14V controller if I were to find one ? Also what would prevent it from burning up the controller ?
DAND214
10 MW
there is a post on those jumpers used for a ebike. 4 of them in series so 12s 44.4v.
It was a 3s lipo in it 4ah. Used it for 1500 miles and now is switching to LiPo's.
Still the easiest is to ride down a big steep hill WITH a SPEEDO. Then you will feel what 40mph+ might be if you make it?
Don't even think you will get that monster mounted on you bike with a silly little chain. With enough power to it you might rip the spokes out or snap the chain.
Other way to go fast would be a rope on a car as it drives by. They must be doing at least 20+ by the videos
As for that RC controller, I don't think so. It's a shame that I threw out the 400amp brush controller I had. Too big for anything I would have.
Save you money and get a speedo, so you know what speed is on those things you are building.
Dan
It was a 3s lipo in it 4ah. Used it for 1500 miles and now is switching to LiPo's.
Still the easiest is to ride down a big steep hill WITH a SPEEDO. Then you will feel what 40mph+ might be if you make it?
Don't even think you will get that monster mounted on you bike with a silly little chain. With enough power to it you might rip the spokes out or snap the chain.
Other way to go fast would be a rope on a car as it drives by. They must be doing at least 20+ by the videos
As for that RC controller, I don't think so. It's a shame that I threw out the 400amp brush controller I had. Too big for anything I would have.
Save you money and get a speedo, so you know what speed is on those things you are building.
Dan
latecurtis
100 MW
DAND214
10 MW
Good luck.
Dan
Dan
latecurtis
100 MW
This is not a toy kids bike. This is the largest bike they make. I wont need a spoke sprocket with this either. I will be able to use a regular bike sprocket.A 32 tooth will probably work and 2S LiPo should get me close to 40 mph. I really don't need to go 50 mph. My target is between 35 and 40 mph for now. Afterwards like one to two years later when I get used to riding the bike I will upgrade the controller by having a custom one built capable of 500 amps@13.3V.
For now 8.3V will turn the motor approx. 1,750 rpm. However I may need between 200 and 300 amps still to get the power.
The motor is rated at 12V and 6HP@2100 rpm. 6HP = 4,500W. 4500 / 12 = 375 amps.
I think a 200 amp controller will work but not sure. Also not sure what voltage to run. 2S , 3S or 4S.
4S = 2800 rpm . 3S = 2100 rpm and 2S = 1750 rpm.
What I do know is a spoke sprocket don't look like it would fit so that leaves a standard bicycle sprocket to replace the freewheel. Something which screws on should be stronger than the cassette or the spoke sprocket.
I think I will need a little help on the components here. Where can I find a controller capable of 14V maximum and at least 200 amps for between 35 and 40 mph top speed.
Also so I don't snap the chain or the wheel sprocket which type of throttle would give me the best control taking off. My guess would be a pot. It seems to be more sensitive with greater control at slower speeds. Please let me know. Thanks.
LC. out.
For now 8.3V will turn the motor approx. 1,750 rpm. However I may need between 200 and 300 amps still to get the power.
The motor is rated at 12V and 6HP@2100 rpm. 6HP = 4,500W. 4500 / 12 = 375 amps.
I think a 200 amp controller will work but not sure. Also not sure what voltage to run. 2S , 3S or 4S.
4S = 2800 rpm . 3S = 2100 rpm and 2S = 1750 rpm.
What I do know is a spoke sprocket don't look like it would fit so that leaves a standard bicycle sprocket to replace the freewheel. Something which screws on should be stronger than the cassette or the spoke sprocket.
I think I will need a little help on the components here. Where can I find a controller capable of 14V maximum and at least 200 amps for between 35 and 40 mph top speed.
Also so I don't snap the chain or the wheel sprocket which type of throttle would give me the best control taking off. My guess would be a pot. It seems to be more sensitive with greater control at slower speeds. Please let me know. Thanks.
LC. out.
latecurtis
100 MW
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-WINCH-MOTOR-24V-FOR-RAMSEY-PIERCE-WINCH-VIME-WINCH-46-2289-46-3523-MMD4001/231832756458?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39035%26meid%3D50c5752c11ae4f14bd3d92cfecc55776%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D371181209341
I am not ordering a 12V motor. That is a fact. I already own 22V LiPo. Thay do make 24V motors which are very similar to those 12V motors but I cant find the rpms.
I am looking for anything between 1500 and 3,000 rpm but closer to 2,000 rpm is best. 3 to 6 HP.
With the 100 amp variable speed controller I should get 2400W@24V vs only 1200W@12V. It is a no brainer. 2400W = 43 mph.
10-30V 100A 3000W Programable Reversible DC Motor Speed Controller PWM Control
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-30V-100A-3000W-Programable-Reversible-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-PWM-Control-/371521297570?hash=item5680651ca2:g:eTMAAOSwX~dWhO2o
Please let me know. I cant find the rpms on any of the 24V motors I looked up. Thanks again.
LC. out.
I am not ordering a 12V motor. That is a fact. I already own 22V LiPo. Thay do make 24V motors which are very similar to those 12V motors but I cant find the rpms.
I am looking for anything between 1500 and 3,000 rpm but closer to 2,000 rpm is best. 3 to 6 HP.
With the 100 amp variable speed controller I should get 2400W@24V vs only 1200W@12V. It is a no brainer. 2400W = 43 mph.
10-30V 100A 3000W Programable Reversible DC Motor Speed Controller PWM Control
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-30V-100A-3000W-Programable-Reversible-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-PWM-Control-/371521297570?hash=item5680651ca2:g:eTMAAOSwX~dWhO2o
Please let me know. I cant find the rpms on any of the 24V motors I looked up. Thanks again.
LC. out.
latecurtis
100 MW
I am struggling to understand the concept. Obviously I have never hooked up any DC motor which is rated greater than about 29 amps.
Voltage: 48V DC
Rated Speed: 3000 RPM
Rated Current: 26.7 A
Output: 1000 W
Unite DC MY1020 1000W 48V Brush Motor with Mount Bracket.
That is the most powerful motor I ever hooked up to any controller.
My guess would be that hooking up a 300 amp motor rated at 12 or 24V to a 40 amp controller would result in the controller bursting into flames as the motor would be drawing 300 amps from the battery thru the controller and the controller would catch of fire in less than 20 seconds. What type of voodoo or magic would prevent something like that from happening ?
Is it a capacitor or resister or a diode which prevents such a calamity. If this is correct then the rpm and the voltage of the motor would stay the same and the current would be different with two different controllers but the same battery and motor.
12V @ 375 amp at 2100 rpm = 6 HP or 4500W
That 375 amp motor hooked to a 24V battery and a 40 amp controller would = 960W @ 4200 rpm
The same motor hooked to a 24V battery and a 100 amp controller would = 2400W @ 4200 rpm
Since heat build up in a motor is the main cause of failure the motor is a little more than 1/2 of total power input at 2400W compared to 4500W however the motor is also rated at 2100 rpm and not 4200 rpm so mechanical failure would be caused by rpm and not heat build up. I do not wish to spend that kind of money to blow up a motor. My question then is would the motor hold together at 4200 rpm or not?
The wheel sprocket size would be a 92 tooth custom spoke sprocket from Kings custom sprockets driven by #415 heavy duty chain and a 11 Tooth #410 motor sprocket.The gearing would be for 43 mph.
At 2100 rpm with a 29" wheel and 11T motor sprocket the wheel sprocket = 46T NOT 92T.
I did not wish to go with a 92T custom sprocket so I need to call the manufacturer to find out the rated rpm of the 24V motors which look almost exactly like the 12V motors they sell. and then the motor will NOT be operating at twice the rated rpm.
5S LiPo packs = approx. 20V so a 24V - 2100 rpm motor would be operating less rpm and probably work with a sprocket smaller than a 46 tooth spoke sprocket. A standard 32 tooth bike sprocket which replaces the freewheel is the most logical choice. I would however like to simply run the 6S packs I already own instead of having to spend money on expensive packs.
Please don't give up on me now and keep posting as I want to order one of those motors and that 100 amp controller soon. Thanks.
LC. out.
Sunder
10 MW
The controller is like a throttle on a car. You can have a 8.0L V12 engine, but if the throttle is only letting it get "X" amount of air and fuel, then the motor performs below maximum capacity.
What Dan is suggesting is using the "throttle" (Controller) for your normal controlled street driving, then bypassing the throttle, and doing direct wet NOX injection when you just want pure power (battery straight to motor).
What Dan is suggesting is using the "throttle" (Controller) for your normal controlled street driving, then bypassing the throttle, and doing direct wet NOX injection when you just want pure power (battery straight to motor).
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