new eZip motor

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns.

No way will that will be cooler than when I get an Alien power or Astro motor hooked up to the Haro V3 with an onboard sound and navigation system at 65 mph plus. :lol:

But for now I will deal with this thing I guess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMcYDOdT8bA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuLLJyaAEA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tApc8Myv-k

I am sitting here drunk listening to music.
They listen to Johnny Cash downstairs a lot.
I used to be into death metal in 80s and gangster rap type shit (Wutang ect.) in 90s and 2000s but experimental is better and listen to shit like this nowdays. There is always an upgrade 4 everything. :lol:

 

[DAND214]

I have to give you credit LC, you do stuff that others couldn't even consider. maybe you should become a cabinet maker.
There is no way in hell, that I would attempt those builds. Takes a lot of time and beer to do them.

Dan

 

[Sunder]

I have to give you credit LC, you do stuff that others couldn't even consider. maybe you should become a cabinet maker.
There is no way in hell, that I would attempt those builds. Takes a lot of time and beer to do them.

Dan

Maybe he should be a handyman/custodian/jerry rigger/dogsrobber/gopher.

Might be a good guy to have around in a Zombie apocalypse, when there's no more ebay stores, and you're stripping starter motors and lead acid batteries from cars that no longer run from lack of fuel, and salvaging chains and sprockets from broken down machinery.

I've recently done a minimal prep for a disaster. Made up two backpacks with 2 days of food and water, first aid and medicine, paper maps, CB Radio, battery phone charger, lights, fire starters, torches, all that kind of stuff. Also outfitted my dad's farm house with fishing and hunting gear, a generator (on top of solar panels), battery, canned food and sealed water for a month.

In the event of an earthquake, severe storm, terrorist attack, pandemic, etc, we could survive until help arrives.

Bring on the zombie apocalypse!

 

[DAND214]

I have to give you credit LC, you do stuff that others couldn't even consider. maybe you should become a cabinet maker.
There is no way in hell, that I would attempt those builds. Takes a lot of time and beer to do them.

Dan

Maybe he should be a handyman/custodian/jerry rigger/dogsrobber/gopher.

Might be a good guy to have around in a Zombie apocalypse, when there's no more ebay stores, and you're stripping starter motors and lead acid batteries from cars that no longer run from lack of fuel, and salvaging chains and sprockets from broken down machinery.

I've recently done a minimal prep for a disaster. Made up two backpacks with 2 days of food and water, first aid and medicine, paper maps, CB Radio, battery phone charger, lights, fire starters, torches, all that kind of stuff. Also outfitted my dad's farm house with fishing and hunting gear, a generator (on top of solar panels), battery, canned food and sealed water for a month.

In the event of an earthquake, severe storm, terrorist attack, pandemic, etc, we could survive until help arrives.

Bring on the zombie apocalypse!

Sunder, did I out it wrong?

Dan

 

[Sunder]

Sunder, did I out it wrong?

Dan

No, sorry, that was a little bit of a "train of thought went down the wrong siding" kind of thing. I thought you were talking about his "handy work" in making things fit when they obviously weren't designed to. I got thinking about how handy that is during a zombie apocalypse.

 

[DAND214]

Sunder, did I out it wrong?

Dan

No, sorry, that was a little bit of a "train of thought went down the wrong siding" kind of thing. I thought you were talking about his "handy work" in making things fit when they obviously weren't designed to. I got thinking about how handy that is during a zombie apocalypse.

And all this time, I thought you had a sense of humor. Or are my remarks hard to take?

Dan

 

[latecurtis]

No Dan it is perfect.

I happen to be very fond of the MAD MAX movies beyond thunder dome and even the new one even though Mel Gibson is not in it. (that sucks) but it was still pretty good regardless.

As far as Zombies go. You never know. I do know though like the A team and Macgyver sometimes you have to work with what you have and modify things to make them work. It is a simple fact of life. Not everyone has the money to pay people with skills to do things and even if the correct parts can be ordered there is back order issues and of course free shipping from china. That always takes a minimum of 6 weeks easily as that boat is a slow one probably about 2 knots. :lol:

I actually enjoy making things work. It is frustrating at times and not always a piece of cake but keeps me out of trouble and yes I watch the Walking Dead.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

Speaking of Zombies, I think I'm spotting them with ever increasing frequency!

Riding along the trails, I see poor souls shuffling along with their heads down, jaws slack.
Only when I whiz by do they show any sign of life.
Arms jerk, mouths opens and shows teeth, head raises and turns towards me, with some moan or growl ...
They might be mostly blind and deaf, possibly they just smell food passing by and try to attack?
I don't stick around, just in case.

I have watched them from a distance and see them bump into each other or other lifeless obstacles, they just raise their heads, kinda growl then proceed on their way ...

 

[Sunder]

Sorry, I must have missed the joke. (Dan, not DA - Got DA's joke) Care to explain? Were you just paying out the quality of LC's work, that wouldn't pass as a Cabinet maker? You might be surprised, last time I hired a cabinet maker, they butchered the job so badly, my father in law considered not paying him. He took fist size chunks out of the wall to make the cabinet fit, and told me I had to patch it up myself.

 

[DAND214]

Sorry, I must have missed the joke. (Dan, not DA - Got DA's joke) Care to explain? Were you just paying out the quality of LC's work, that wouldn't pass as a Cabinet maker? You might be surprised, last time I hired a cabinet maker, they butchered the job so badly, my father in law considered not paying him. He took fist size chunks out of the wall to make the cabinet fit, and told me I had to patch it up myself.

Now you got it :lol: Are you saying DA's was a joke. I think right now if I went on the bike path I would find a lot of zombies. Cold, windy and snow, that would make me a zombie if I was walking in this crap.

Dan

 

[marty]

[youtube]28UgKDFF8dU[/youtube]

Watch your video. I might be too observant but it looks like you are not wearing pants? Like the music! No comment on wood and hose clamps. Engineering way beyond my sense of common sense. See picture of snow. Hows the inside temperature where you at? Chill!

Blizzard here today at the other end of New York State.

 

[latecurtis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZi8NDw8xk&feature=youtu.be


The pictures of the windows covered with plastic explains what marty asked about the video. That is the front porch thru that door and that video with my shorts on is where my goldfish and river fish tank is off of my living room. (bootom pic) I leave the door open to get some heat from the apartment which has good radiator type heat. I left one window for ventilation on the front porch for when I need to solder those parallel cables on Dans old LiPo packs which I need to do.

My question on the new video on this current post now is what is all that noise coming from this new controller ? At low speed I am getting an Irritating humming noise.Towards the end of the video You hear it when I slow the wheel down. I could not find a controller exactly like the other two I bought. This one is different. I am hoping I did not get a bad one or something that will damage my motor.

The other pictures show the bolts I used are not long enough for washers so they will need to be replaced by slightly larger 3 inch bolts threaded all the way and with a square head so I can get a wrench on both sides for torquing down.

I got the wrong bolts at Wall- Mart which are 4 inches long and not threaded and have a rounded end which is useless to get a wrench on.
It is very tight as it is but I wont take that chance. I want it as tight as possible so there is no chance of anything moving.

Also the picture showing the end of the wood bracket with the screw will be replaced with a small bolt and nuts and a small hole drilled thru the fork to attach so that it cannot move. Extra nuts will go between the fork and bracket so there is support. The other side is good with the muffler clamp There is a nut there with a screw and torqued down by the clamp immobilizing it.. Marty. Thanks for posting.

Also when I get it outside and running in the sunshine I will take more pictures as what was said a few times about not attempting something like this. A picture is worth 1,000 words or more. Basically if you have the idea and pictures of how it is done copying it is much easier than inventing something yourself. Not only that why not improve on the design if possible. After all there is no patent on it. It is a DIY project. :lol: Thanks again.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

Curious as why you purchased a wimpier, more expensive non-weather resistant controller?

Humming?
Probably lowers the PWM into the audible harmonic range.

 

[latecurtis]

Curious as why you purchased a wimpier, more expensive non-weather resistant controller?

could not find a controller exactly like the other two I bought. This one is different. I am hoping I did not get a bad one or something that will damage my motor.

Basically I should have looked harder. I just saw one like the other two last night however I don't think any of them were weather resistant. As long as it don't do any damage to the motor and gets the job done I will be satisfied.

Tonight I will be taking those bolts back to wall- mart and hopefully get the 3" threaded bolts I will need.
It looks like this will be a successful project.

Obviously I have learned that safety is good from all you guys telling me and warning me about it. That is why with ANY front wheel drive motor powered bike or ANY bike for that matter I wont ride it in the snow or rain. I don't have the special studded tires to do so and I don't really need to be running around in the snow or rain. I am on disability and do not need to report for work every day and have access to a buss and can get a ride in a car sometimes downstairs.

I prefer to ride electric bicycles in decent weather. I have yet to see an e bike with a heater. :lol: That will be a first although I would not doubt it could be done somehow but would never be efficient without a roof and doors. I will need to put a regular vehicle on the road when I can afford to. Not sure about this winter.

I can ride my 20 mph top speed cargo bikes to the store 1/2 mile away on days when the sun is shining and the roads are clear. I can stock up and do not need to ride in bad weather. I am also posting on my other winch motor post regarding the Haro V3 build. I am looking at Alien power though instead of a heavy 20 pound winch motor.

Taking safety into consideration I WILL NOT be operating a 40 or 40+ mph bike anywhere where there is intersections , heavy traffic or shit roads full of potholes. There are long flat smooth roads a little outside of town that will do the trick. There is no need to cause car accidents or run over pedestrians here in the city. When I talk about running a really FAST electric bike I am refeering to a time and place for everything. Thanks for posting.

LC. out.

 

[Sunder]

I prefer to ride electric bicycles in decent weather. I have yet to see an e bike with a heater. :lol: That will be a first although I would not doubt it could be done somehow but would never be efficient without a roof and doors.

http://www.totaltools.com.au/milwaukee-m12-gen-6-red-heated-jacket-various-sizes-available_1160028/

How about sleeves and a collar then? 12V - so perfect for those 3-4S LiPo batteries, good for 8 hours.

Rather than limit the use of the bike to the conditions, why don't you build a bike to suit the conditions? As the saying goes "There's no such thing as bad riding weather, only bad riding gear.

 

[DAND214]

I prefer to ride electric bicycles in decent weather. I have yet to see an e bike with a heater. :lol: That will be a first although I would not doubt it could be done somehow but would never be efficient without a roof and doors.

http://www.totaltools.com.au/milwaukee-m12-gen-6-red-heated-jacket-various-sizes-available_1160028/

How about sleeves and a collar then? 12V - so perfect for those 3-4S LiPo batteries, good for 8 hours.

Rather than limit the use of the bike to the conditions, why don't you build a bike to suit the conditions? As the saying goes "There's no such thing as bad riding weather, only bad riding gear.

Here you go Sunder, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84619&p=1240291 You have all summer to get it done. I take a large I am thinking about it for this winter. Weather went from 70s to 0 on a month, too cold to ride and too much snow and ice.

Dan

 

[Sunder]

Here you go Sunder, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84619&p=1240291 You have all summer to get it done. I take a large I am thinking about it for this winter. Weather went from 70s to 0 on a month, too cold to ride and too much snow and ice.
Dan

Meh, I'd rather buy one. Although retrofitting one to my motorcycle might make sense. That way I can have both heating and protection.

That said, it's a cold day here if it drops below 60*F. We've got the other problem of the mercury breaking 100F for several days in a row, and refusing to drop below 80F even overnight.

Any DIY instructions on a cooling vest?

 

[DAND214]

Carbon fiber works and a old electric blanket, stripped for the wire. I have toooooo many coats, so I might try it, Lots of youtube how to do.
What's different, one has sleeves other doesn't.
Dan

 

[DrkAngel]

Upstate NY was near 80 till mid November, record warm year ... again!
Even hit "extreme drought" for much of the Summer.

 

[DAND214]

Here you go Sunder, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84619&p=1240291 You have all summer to get it done. I take a large I am thinking about it for this winter. Weather went from 70s to 0 on a month, too cold to ride and too much snow and ice.
Dan

Meh, I'd rather buy one. Although retrofitting one to my motorcycle might make sense. That way I can have both heating and protection.

That said, it's a cold day here if it drops below 60*F. We've got the other problem of the mercury breaking 100F for several days in a row, and refusing to drop below 80F even overnight.

Any DIY instructions on a cooling vest?

That is what I did before the recession. Cool suits and safety racing gear and I don't even have one

Dan

 

[latecurtis]

Yea. i guess i got a few months before summer to do it right as you say.

just have to see if there is enough money for it.

there are so many motor options that it is difficult to choose. Basically I just need to know if a brush-less hobby king or Alien power motor is the correct choice to go from 0 to 40 or 50 mph quick enough to win such a race or should I be looking at a heavy 20 pound winch motor and do what DA said originally and short the motor to the terminal when I reach 25 mph to get it to 50 quickly as there is no such thing as a 400 amp 12V controller for a 6 HP 12V winch motor.

There are many different options but even if Liveforphysics did let me use the Death bike it would not be the same as it is would NOT be my bike. It would be like my friend Bob letting me borrow his Cornet RT with the 400 horsepower motor to win a race because my 250 horsepower Dodge Charger could not get the job done. There would not be any satisfaction in that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYIzll3rggo

Winning this race is serious business to me. It is on my bucket list. I guess I just have something to prove and want to show them up. It is the competitive spirit.
It is not something I can just get past.

 

[Sunder]

I think the loan was meant to be so that you could get a feel for what that kind of speed is like, not for bragging rights.

You know, growing up, I spent $250k on cars in a decade. About half of it on depreciation (buying $80k cars, and selling them for $30k a few years later), the other half on modifying them. I realise in hindsight, that if I had put $200k into an index fund, or bought a house instead back then and drove a modest but nice car, I could be retired by now.

The only thing I took away from that experience, is that the only thing you prove in a no-regulation drag race, is that you were willing to spend more money on your car. It doesn't make your bits any bigger, and it doesn't make you a better man.

There's a reason why in professional motorsports, they have conditions - like stock car racing - you can't use a motor you're not willing to put into production models. In order to get the most out of each limitation, you need to be innovative and good at racing.

All you're gonna prove by building an electric bike that out does a street bike, was that you were willing to drop a lot of cash onto it. And besides, where are you going to stop? You going to beat a Honda Cub? What about a CB250? CBR250RR? CBR600? Fireblade 1200cc? Hayabusa? Are you going to argue that you spent $500 and beat a $3000 bike, ignoring the fact that you put a lot of effort into an illegal BSO, where as he paid for a finely engineered bike that costs to comply with regulation? Exactly whose wallet are you trying to beat, and what is "fair"?

 

[latecurtis]

I wont be posting anymore for awhile. I do not know if I will be building any more electric bicycles.

It seems that the ones I did get running must have been a fluke or a stroke of luck like spinning dice.

I posted the video and ran the bike several times after that without a problem however it will now be two controllers in a row that mysteriously stopped working when attempting to take of on a simple trial run. The first was the same exact controller which is on the 24" cargo bike that actually still runs. I got a new controller for it and tested the one I hooked up backwards a few times and it worked perfect until I tried taking off on the bike. Then it failed.

Now a brand new controller does the same exact thing today. It made the noise it made in the video when I turned it on which was no big deal then when I turned the knob it stops and does nothing. That is totally ridiculous. The pictures show the wiring exactly the same. The positive from the battery going to the switch and then the positive to the controller. The negative goes directly to the controller. The fuse is before the switch. One bike runs the other breaks two separate controllers. What is even more strange is neither controller even smell burnt and no physical sign of damage. They simply don't work anymore.

I did attempt to hook up the 36 volt controller and dug around in my drawer and found a thumb throttle also but guess what. It is a four wire throttle and I need a three.

At this point I think I should just throw the bike out in to the trash. It is nothing but garbage which will never run. It is cursed Chinese junk. I do not have the money or the patience to order a stupid three wire throttle for a bike which will probably never run anyway.

The only reason I am even posting this is I am curious as to why both controllers stopped working like they did. I could understand the first one as I hooked it up backwards about four or five times but it still worked when hooked it up correctly but stopped working when I tried to ride it for the first time.

Then it happens again with a brand new controller which was tested and worked without me on the bike. As soon as I tried it under load it fails but yet the 24" bike works under load every time I ride it I just would love to know why. Both are 20 inch wheels.

The only difference is the 24 inch bike has a 60 tooth sprocket running a 48V 3,000 rpm motor at 24V for 500W and 1500 rpm. The one that breaks controllers has a 56 tooth sprocket and is 36V 800W running at 24V 533W and 1833 rpm. The difference is in gearing but should not be great enough to break every controller hooked up to it. Please let me know.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

Use the 4 wire controller.
You do not need to hook up the wire for the leds ...

 

[Sunder]

I guess this is where the men get separated from the boys. For $10, you can buy a multimeter, and try to figure out which part is not working, and why... Or you could have a tantrum, and throw the lot out.

My first step would be hook up the lowest voltage battery I had to the motor. A shorted motor could take out controllers pretty quick.