new eZip motor

[latecurtis]

I am sorry I forgot.

I wont be able to afford to order anything anyway as I don't have any money. The ol lady got a letter in the mail and is not getting a social security check anymore because she failed to sign a paper and the phone got shut off tonight and I called the company and threatened someones life so I will probably not get a disability check either as I will be in jail.

I pay the phone bill every month on the 3rd when I get my check but they want me to pay it on the 27th each month when I am totally broke.
It is supposed to be $24 dollars each month but they tack on a $6 late charge so with the tax they want about $32 so I have to pay more money and still not get 30 days or a month of service. I tried to fix it last month but lost the pin number and this month called customer service and explained I need the due date moved to the third and was told no and to watch my language so I threatened to kill the dude then broke the flip phone in half and threw it out the window. Now I am looking at about six months in jail as the call was recorded. Also I was stone cold sober and had not drank a beer in at least 16 hours when this happened.

Anyway I guess it is my fault. I have had a bad temper since I was 10 years old and had to go to mental health up until I got out of state prison for discharging firearms (reckless endangerment) back in 1993. I will most likely be locked up for Christmas so Merry Christmas everybody and I hope to be back by next summer. Not sure if I will have any e bikes then though as they may all get stolen or sold for money. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DAND214]

What letter from SS? Never heard of that. so you need to go to the SS office and TALK to them, no screaming at then as that will make it worse.

Good luck.
Dan

 

[latecurtis]

Well , the man with the tin badge did not come knocking yet.

I should have a ride to SSA for the ol lady this week if she will go. I was upset last night and could not sleep so drank beer until 6:30 AM and slept until 4:30 PM. I feel much better. sometimes sleep is like a reboot. I feel calm and peaceful.

I apologize if I upset Sunder. I totally forgot about not PM him. I wont PM anyone anymore.

As you all know I play Pirates Tides of fortune daily and have a lot of friends there I talk to every day who are from all over the world.

My good friend and second in command is form Greece and his screen name is IDORIMACHOS. He is moving to Australia and let me know he wont be able to play as much. I think it is a job but not sure. I think he is a good guy and hard worker though and will be talking to him about maybe building an e bike when he gets out there. If so I will ask him to join ES and maybe him and Sunder could be friends.

As of right now the only e bike I plan on building is the one that had the 2 by 4 holding the motor. I have all the parts to make it work.

I have the 500W Unite motor with the 11T #25 motor sprocket and the 80T #25 sprocket on a 20" front wheel. I also have the one good 10.0 6S pack. The bad one is still in the dryer all puffed up waiting for the LiPo shoot. :lol:

I may go over and pick up that front wheel. Doug said he will put in the axel and bearings for me so it could be up and running this week. The good thing is it has that huge cargo basket on the back so I can run the 10.0 6S pack in the front in a coffee can with the balancer hooked up to it and keep two ( 24V) or three for (36V) fully charged SLAs in the rear basket in case the 10.0 pack gets low or under 3.6V. Thanks and I should have some new videos up soon of the 24" and the 20" builds.

LC. out.

 

[Sunder]

Mate, the best piece of advice I ever received to manage my anger is this:

Life is difficult.

This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it. Once we truly know that life is difficult-once we truly understand and accept it-then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.

Most do not fully see this truth that life is difficult. Instead they moan more or less incessantly, noisily or subtly, about the enormity of their problems, their burdens, and their difficulties as if life were generally easy, as if life should be easy. They voice their belief, noisily or subtly, that their difficulties represent a unique kind of affliction that should not be and that has somehow been especially visited upon them, or else upon their families, their tribe, their class, their nation, their race or even their species, and not upon others.

Think about it - Take a night. Throw the idea around with your old lady. If life were unduly harsh on you, then you can justifiably get angry. But life is tough for everyone. You're not the first person to have problems with a phone company. You might want to say that rich people don't have problems with their phone companies. They do. You might want to say that rich people don't have problem with SS. Maybe not, but they have problems with other government officials.

The difference is that the successful people in life know that they will have problems with the phone company. They've accepted that. Instead of getting angry about it, they know what to ask, who to call, or learn to work around it. In other words, they've accepted that life is difficult, and they pick the path that will make it the least difficult possible. You, sir, consistently pick the path that makes life even harder on yourself.

It's your choice. You can keep doing that, and in doing so, you can make everyone else's life hard - do you think the phone operator went home and said to his wife "Great day at work today, one of our customers threatened to come in and kill me, but I stood my ground, and by god, did I get to show him a thing or two."? Or, you can get frustrated - but not angry - and turn that frustration into motivation to fix things.

Or not. Your call.

 

[latecurtis]

Yes.

That totally makes sense. I am a very highly intelligent person but sometimes my emotions (anger and frustration) seem to get the better of me especially after all the years of struggling and trying to find steady work and getting evicted from countless apartments ect.

However If I look at it from another point of view then it does not seem so bad. The story I heard which relates to what you said goes like this.

There was a man who felt sorry for himself because he had no shoes to wear. Then one day he met a man who had no feet. Then he felt sorry for that guy and considered himself lucky.

I went back to Wall-Mart today and told them I needed a different phone company that is NOT Family mobile. (the one I had)
Sure enough there is a totally different company that has a plan for $25 unlimited and a flip phone for $15. Also if I get it and activate it on the third of NOV then I wont have to pay the bill again until the third of DEC.

Also I will be getting the ol lady down to sign the paper this week. She should still get her money but it might be held up for a week or two. As I mentioned earlier my friend from Greece will be moving to Australia soon. I will find out where and if he is interested in building an e bike once he gets there. It must be job related as you know the economy in Greece had some serious problems awhile back so he must have got a good job in Australia. If I were in my 20s and in good health I would consider going there myself however I cant work or get a passport with a felony. The USA is not that bad though. We will soon see if Trump gets elected or Hilary. :lol: I am not voting for either.

The way I see it if Hilary gets it old people and poor people will get good or better health care but there will be more possible terrorists sneaking in.

If Trump gets it I may not get as many food stamps and could have a bigger co pay on prescriptions but the immigration to here will be less and with the wall less people sneaking in and less of a chance of terrorists getting over here to blow us up. they will need a very good reason to be here and wont get in just because their own country sucks. :lol: Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. I beg to differ.

Mr Latecurtis,
Whaat are you doing? Motor, sprocket, chain, 155 pages of electric bicycle projects. If you really believe the your way of building a electric bicycle is the best way to accomplish your goals, then carry on. My suggestion to you. STOP. Rethink. Would you like a reliable electric bicycle to transport a human from one place to another? Read, ask questions, start a new topic.

How to get the proper advice, read before asking
To get solid advice on parts to buy, you must provide the following info.
Desired max speed on level ground. mph or kph
Desired max range at what cruising speed. mph or kph
Preferred bike wheel size, or wheel size of bike you want to convert. Most common kits are for 26" wheels.
Brake type of motor wheel. Disc or not.
Rider weight.
Terrain. Exp: mostly flat, some short hills under 20% grade, I want to climb mountains, etc., etc.
Budget.


Me...... I don't agree with any of this. With just about anything, I say don't build it. Buy it. Buy a ready made electric bicycle. Comes to your house in a box and all you have to do is put it together.

Not only does my cargo bike haul almost 60 pounds of groceries but by putting a bag in the front basket weighing about 20 pounds and 30 pounds in the back I then wrapped the 7 pound chain and padlock around the top bar on the frame.

Not only does it chug up the little hills I need to get back home but the bike handles very well due to being able to distribute the weight somewhat evenly.
If you look at the cost of the build compared to buying an e bike new you could probably build at least three of these cargo bikes for the price of a new e bike in a box. I found that bike about year ago with a flat tire, bent wheel broken and twisted handelbars and the chain was off it. I rescued it from the scrap metal scrappers.

bike - 0
Motor - $70
controller - $15
batteries - $150
fuse and wires - $15
cash box - $10
two LiPo pouches - $10.

Total price - $270
range 5 miles at 17 mph 10 miles at 10 mph with 16AH of 6S LiPo - (Running from 4.2V full charge down to 3.7V)
cargo capacity. 50 to 60 pounds.
weight approx 50 pounds.
speed with 22V Lipo - approx. 17 mph. It will climb small hills not to steep.
speed at 36V - approx. 23 mph. It will climb moderately steep long hills with no problem.
speed at 44V LiPo - approx. 28 mph. It will climb almost any hill without a problem.

Now if you buy a bike with similar specifications plan on spending at least three times as much money.
The picture of the groceries shows the groceries to the left of the store receipt were in the rear basket and the groceries to the right of the receipt were in the front basket. There was room for a little more in the back also.

The bottom picture is fried catfish and perogies. My friends downstairs cooked it. For less than $15 I fed about 7 people. two bags of catfish and two boxes of perogies fed two adults and three kids downstairs and me and my ol lady.

I am not saying that chain drives are better than hub motor kits. I am just saying they are cheaper. The Schwinn is still my best e bike with the blue 20" Diamondback coming in second. The hub kit for the Schwinn Sunder sent me was around $300 with shipping I think and the hub kit for the diamondback was $260 with free shipping I believe. My cargo bike cost $270 to build INCLUDING the two 8.0 LiPo packs in parallell. Also I think at 44V will go just as fast as the Schwinn and will also climb hills as good as the Diamondback. We will find out as I plan on racing the schwinn on the flat and the Diamondback going up a hill with that cargo bike.

I will also be building the front wheel chain drive 20" bike on the back porch that had the 2 by 4 deal with the Unite 500W 2,500 rpm motor I already have and a black 26" Diamondback mountain bike which is at Doug's already paid for waiting to be built with the Unite 800W 2,750 rpm 36V motor I already have. I also have two 36V controllers and a second variable controller like the one on the 24" cargo bike. The 40 mph 29" bike with the winch motor may not happen until spring. I will be working on these two builds this winter. Thanks.



LC. out.

 

[Sunder]

I am not saying that chain drives are better than hub motor kits. I am just saying they are cheaper. The Schwinn is still my best e bike with the blue 20" Diamondback coming in second. The hub kit for the Schwinn Sunder sent me was around $300 with shipping I think and the hub kit for the diamondback was $260 with free shipping I believe. My cargo bike cost $270 to build INCLUDING the two 8.0 LiPo packs in parallell.

It depends on how you value your time - I can have an electric kit installed to a high standard (Cables the right length, neatly tucked away, brakes all recalibrated, everything done) in about an hour.

How much time have you spent fiddling with the chain drive?

My time is precious, because I don't have a lot of it, after working. I'd prefer to spend it with my wife and kids. But since you have a lot of time, since you don't work, and kids don't live with you, I guess you can value yours lower, and it's more of a enjoyable hobby, than getting things done.

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. Haro Race Bike.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MultiStar-High-Capacity-4S-14-8v-16000mAh-Multi-Rotor-FPV-Lipo-RC-Quadcopter-/222303696620?hash=item33c25536ec:g:kR8AAOSw5cNYG53Z

In case you dont know my friend Doug is a big Haro enthusiast. He had a Haro V2 26" mountain bike when I first met him about three years ago now.
He traded that for a Haro Flightline.

He made me an offer I cant refuse. The motherboard and processor out of my 8 core gaming machine for a V3 Haro very similar to the one in the picture.
The motherboard is an amd gaming board however I have an intel gaming machine that needs an i5 devels canyon and it will run 30% faster than the 8 core.

I get to keep the case, power supply and hard drive as well as the 8 gig stick of ram. I plan on ordering a 6 core apu with built in graphics and use the big tower for multimedia and possibly a 55 inch 4k TV. It will cost less than $150 to rebuild it and I can keep the 950 2 gig video card for the Intel machine when I get the i5 devils Canyon. I also have a dual core coming to replace it for now. I think a 4600+

The Currie rack is a little large for the 29" bike so I am thinking about putting it on the V3 as well as the winch motor and getting that 100 amp controller. It will be geared better with the 26" wheel also. Please let me know if the batteries I posted are any good as two of those to power the winch motor is the plan. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DAND214]

LC, those 4s 16ah packs are 49 on HK so you need to look before any time you buy.

Dan

 

[Sunder]

Just bought 10 of them. 9 for my motorcycle and 1 to cannibalise for spare cells. (36S).

Tossing up between building it as a 8-8-8-8-4 and balance it using a balance charger, or building it as a 12-12-12 and either buying 1 or 3 balance only BMSes. A BMS that can cope with 150A both directions is just too expensive.

What are your thoughts?

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. My thoughts are on how to convert this to electric and make it look professional. Flying bikes ?

I cant afford a hub motor and already have two good running hub motors. The rack on the back of the 29" bike which was originally on the Currie is silver and will look much better on this Haro then it does on the black and gold 29" bike. The 29" bike is for a winch motor and 50 mph. This Haro I need to go about 37 mph if possible. Also I would like a small lightweight motor between 5 and 10 pounds. Maybe brush-less with gear reduction. I am not sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vX4zAXUTfU Nice but too heavy and complicated. I wish I had enough money to hire that guy to build my bike.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Motor-36-Volt-750W-Brushed-DC-Gear-Reduced-MY1020Z/232133062684?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D6832ba45cfe74e9d80a96985aa003ee8%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D262525427253


I found that on e bay. Not really the power I want but is the largest gear reduction motor I have seen on e bay. Good bang for the buck.
It looks like standard bike chain will work on the sprocket. For 27 mph, if the motor sprocket is 11 tooth a 15 tooth wheel sprocket works with a 26" wheel and a 17 tooth for a 29" wheel. It saves money on the wheel sprocket as standard 15 or 17 tooth bike sprockets will work.

I copied the bottom picture from a you tube video which was in a foreign language. Could have been German. I am thinking about mimicking this build somehow. I am kind of sick of the heavy unite motors. A small 100kv motor rated for 2,800 watts at 36V would be good for 1,867 watts off of 6S LiPo which makes about 37 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlt7ZYcspSg

This is how I plan on mounting my winch motor. I hope to make the video with the 29" bike and a 4.8 HP motor instead of the 2.5 HP one in the video.


I am looking for suggestions. I will want to run LiPo. Those 4S packs or 6S packs and would like the bike to weigh no more than 20 pounds heavier than it is now including the motor , chain and sprockets , controller and LiPos. I also want a professional looking build which means no 2 by 4s or milk crates for baskets. It needs to be something than any of you guys would be proud to ride around on. Doug tuned up the brakes. Disk brakes are on the front as you can tell. Please help me out here. Thanks.

The flying bike is on the three bottom links under the bottom picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CukSzts_Y This one is electric.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

Keep in mind that winch motors are designed for occasional use - and ... very brief run time!

 

[DAND214]

Keep in mind that winch motors are designed for occasional use - and ... very brief run time!

Now you tell him
Only gonna need it for a short run to the hospital anyway!

Dan

 

[DrkAngel]

Well I did present it as an alternative to a car starter motor ...
Presented for 1, maybe 2, 50mph runs ... enough to get it out of his system!

Remember tho ...
My primary recommendation was to take bike to top of hill, load it up with a few cement blocks, (to simulate motor-battery weight), hop on and shove off!
Save a whole lot of money and effort ...

 

[DrkAngel]

Remember when LC seemed desperate to get the lightest Lead Acid batteries ... ?
(Horribly reducing range and battery life!)
Now that he has some nice lightweight LiPo ...
He is actually considering running LiPo ...
But carrying around a crapload of SLA "in case the LiPo gets low"!

 

[DAND214]

Well I did present it as an alternative to a car starter motor ...
Presented for 1, maybe 2, 50mph runs ... enough to get it out of his system!

Remember tho ...
My primary recommendation was to take bike to top of hill, load it up with a few cement blocks, (to simulate motor-battery weight), hop on and shove off!
Save a whole lot of money and effort ...

Down a BIG hill would do it. I can climb the local sled hill about 15mph, but down is much faster.

Remember when LC seemed desperate to get the lightest Lead Acid batteries ... ?
(Horribly reducing range and battery life!)
Now that he has some nice lightweight LiPo ...
He is actually considering running LiPo ...
But carrying around a crapload of SLA "in case the LiPo gets low"!

You suggested the LiPo alarms , just for that reason.
I've done this for a while, I think I started with some square looking things on the rear rack. Heavy things, think that is what a SLA is :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm strictly LiPo/Li-ion now. I think I still have a SLA in the garage, Oh yeah it's in my garage opener. Small little thing, but works.
I get 2 close to 3m/ah with my MACs. I like the simplicity of them. I threw more chains racing Karts than belts so that is like a chain to a hub motor to me. Won more races than lost due to that also.

Dan

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. If you click on the pics they get bigger.

I will need to take off the 80T sprocket from the 20" wheel and have a bike shop put the freewheel on the 26" Currie wheel and then bolt the sprocket back up to it and mount the motor. I will need a long piece of #25 chain and perhaps a chain tension-er.

Basically I don't have the money to buy a winch motor now or any time soon. I would rather have a 55" 4K resolution TV to watch and a 27 to 29 mph electric Haro then a 29" suicide bike with a winch motor on it. This winter that is.

Well I did present it as an alternative to a car starter motor ...
Presented for 1, maybe 2, 50mph runs ... enough to get it out of his system!

Perhaps it would burn out if run at 50 mph for 10 or 20 minutes but for 20 or 30 seconds, I don't buy that. Also it should run at 35 or 40 mph for hours.
Actually here is proof in a video that a winch powered e bike actually works. That is only 1.5 HP with SLAs. I will be using a 4.8 HP winch motor with 4S high discharge LiPos. Two of those 16.0 packs in parallel. It will be going much faster than in the video below. also see bottom picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DX0kPPsgk

Next spring I am sure I will be ordering the winch motor. I disagree about it only being good for a couple of runs. With the right controller and the correct gearing it should last for years. A winch motor is built much more durable than any Unite motor. Double ball bearings and built to hoist thousands of pounds. It is preposterous to think it would fall apart or burn out with a 300 pound load. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[Sunder]

Next spring I am sure I will be ordering the winch motor. I disagree about it only being good for a couple of runs. With the right controller and the correct gearing it should last for years. A winch motor is built much more durable than any Unite motor. Double ball bearings and built to hoist thousands of pounds. It is preposterous to think it would fall apart or burn out with a 300 pound load. Thanks.

If I were you, I'd buy 3 of the winch motors then. Because you'll kill the first one, you still won't believe us, kill the second one, admit you're doing something wrong, then probably come back to us for advice.

Winch motors are designed for short, high torque bursts. That usually means fast windings with massive gear reductions, and little mass to sink heat into. Apply the same application with little gearing for a long time, and you'll destroy it in no time flat.

Think about it - when you winch a car, do you winch it at 40mph? No? A fast winch (lightly loaded) might pull in at 2-4 feet per second. What's that, about 1.3-2.7 miles per hour? You're intending to "pull" at 40mph. 30 times faster. You're not 30 times lighter, and you won't be happy going for 1 minute, then letting the motor cool before using it again.

By the way, that video shows him going down hill for just a touch over 1 minute. I can't hear him over the wind, but it sounds like he's calling out "9.5 miles per hour, 9.6" etc. It looks like he's doing about that speed, Definitely under 20km/h. At those speeds, I would believe a 1.5hp winch motor would last.

By the way. Got power?



8 out of the 10 packs I bought. First one tested with a hair over 17ah, even though they're rated at 16ah. Rated at 20C burst, 17ah x 36S x 3.7v * 20C = 45kw. 65mph on these packs should be easy.

 

[MikeSSS]

Sunder, if you will send those batteries to me, I'll long term test them for you, and write a nice report of the results, miles, volts and all that stuff.

 

[DAND214]

Sunder, if you will send those batteries to me, I'll long term test them for you, and write a nice report of the results, miles, volts and all that stuff.

Sorry Mike,

Sunder already sent them. TO ME :lol: :lol:

Sunder I'll send you my address later

My Multistars don't have stickers on the end?
Even my OLD ones still are right at 16. But than agin I don't try to kill them like some do.

Dan

 

[Sunder]

Hehe. It's funny how much in demand batteries can be. Can never have too many batteries.

I'll definitely be looking after these. I've read that if you take them at face value, and run them constantly at 10C, they start fading after about 30 cycles. I'll be using them at 2C constant, and 10C burst - probably less, since it's backed up by a second battery.

I'll be making them removeable from the bike, and only charging the night before I need to use them, and storing them in the fridge.

I got them fairly cheap, but they're still a hefty investment.

 

[slacker]

good luck reasoning with someone who plays video games and lives in a different reality. hope it works out for him though.

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-DC-Motor-Model-P66LR006-36V-3-6HP-/201348228423?hash=item2ee14a2547:g:CY4AAOSwLnBX4AYe

Ok. Lets say you guys are right about the winch motors.

It looks like I may have other options to build a 29" rolling suicide machine.

Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[latecurtis]

And then there are these motors.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-hp-24-volt-electric-DC-motor-generator-3000-RPM-12mm-shaft-permanent-magnet/331844983289?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D2220072%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39823%26meid%3D2cc999c963df45eb8f57bbaea2b20bf9%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D201348228423

Two of these are not much heavier than a 1,000W Unite motor.

At 36V they will be 4500 rpm and power about 2400W total so 43 mph gearing is calculated.

At a full 36V and 4500 rpm a 100 tooth wheel sprocket would be required however with 4S LiPo It would be around 31.5V and around 4,000 rpm and do well with a 90 tooth from Kings Custom sprockets. Top speed at 31.5V and 4,000 rpm should be approx. 40 mph.

good luck reasoning with someone who plays video games and lives in a different reality. hope it works out for him though.

Thanks for hoping that it works out for me. I have learned a lot since I have been here and I am capable of listening to reasoning. The winch motor may actually be a bad idea now that I see these motors. Also someone mentioned that heat could be a major issue with the winch motors and that makes sense to me. Also weight is a big issue.

Could I please get some feedback on these small motors and that powerhouse in the other post before this one. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[latecurtis]

I want that imperial electric motor really bad. I don't have any money though. I went to SSA today to drop off the paper the ol lady needs to get her money. It is like the old expression big game hunters use. "what you see when you don't have a gun" In this case it is what you see when you dont have a debit card with over $100 on it.

Also I got a new bank card and pay pal has my old info. I got a Wall-Mart pre paid credit card and it has a pay pal account as I put $25 on the Pirate game one time to rename my brotherhood when I got elected leader. I will need to load the card and try it but am waiting to see if the ol lady is getting money so my electric and internet don't get turned off. I just really hope I can get the motor before they sell them all.

I called Imperial electric and they still make them but 5 minimum is the order otherwise they go thru a distributor called Gofer parts
877 463 3711. Lord knows how much they want for a new one. Imperial electric however will wholesale 5 units minimum at $250 each so $1250 + shipping is minimum for 5 brand new motors.

I seriously doubt you will find ANY hub motor on the planet that will put out 3,600 Watts for $250. With the 100 amp variable controller I wont get the full 3600W but will get 3,000W and at least 45 mph out of that motor. It is the PERFECT motor for the 29" bike as a 44 tooth wheel sprocket gears a 29" wheel to 45 mph with an 11T motor sprocket. Thanks.

LC. out.