Problems with buying from Brett White at ebike.biz. All lies

[lame]

espanolvida is probably Brett pretending to be someone else so he can create more confusion and get out of all the money he owes by saying his stock has been stolen again.

 

[solarbbq2003]

oh dear!!!!
I
no that is my former workman alright, this guy resigned on the 15th of May, he wont hand over the office keys, he's trying to bribe me so I can get back access to my office, maybe you guys can get some idea of what its like dealing with the chinese,
I wont be arguing with him on a public forum, not trying to get out of my responsibiliies at all, but dealing with chinese, to call it a nightmare would be an understatement.

 

[solarbbq2003]

the guys pay is all up to date, he's asking for more money in order for me to get the office keys back, and access to my stock
I'm very surprised to see my private emails I wrote to him on this forum, but they basically sum up how I feel about the chinese
( there are good ones over there, but this sort of stuff is how things work over there, this is somewhat "normal" behaviour for them.)

 

[ElectricEd]

the guys pay is all up to date, he's asking for more money in order for me to get the office keys back, and access to my stock
I'm very surprised to see my private emails I wrote to him on this forum, but they basically sum up how I feel about the chinese
( there are good ones over there, but this sort of stuff is how things work over there, this is somewhat "normal" behaviour for them.)

Well Brett,
That sounds like racism to me. Want to run that one past the Australian Government's Race Discrimination Commissioner Tom Calma?

And what about how we feel about you?

What if I post all of my emails with you that are wanting to know when something is going to arrive?

What if other people here that have been waiting months for parts posted their email history with you?

What about being charged for trading while insolvent? It's a pity that you are not a publicly listed company. You'd be in gaol by now if you were.

Judging by my history regarding promises made by you, I'd lean toward believing what your previous worker had to say about the matter first.

As I have said before, you only have yourself to blame for the situation that you are in. It's time that you took a good hard look at yourself and your actions. Ever heard of "truth"?
Ever heard of the concept of "doing what you promised"?

I estimate that by sending me second-hand parts that were dodgy in one way or another, you have only supplied items to the value of about half of the money that I paid to you. That's more than $900 worth of anger and frustration. Adding to that, the other people that I know of that you are owing items or money to adds up to several thousand dollars more.
Thats a lot of...
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

 

[317537]

Got my charger and he sent some spokes for my GM Hub.

Turned out all good in the end.

Thank you Brett.

 

[espanolvida]

"Pay is all up to date" --- i have to say it's a big lie!
"Asking money if order for get the office keys back." ---- How? by you did not pay me ? Many times pay is delay, and i have to use my own money to run business!!
"Access?"-------- He can go into office anytime ,but he did not pay me !!!!!
Good ones there, also good ones for me, i want to tell others how you treat your employee! how you make a clever use of your employee's wage on business,while still you did not felt any pressure and guilty.

 

[espanolvida]

oh dear!!!!
I
no that is my former workman alright, this guy resigned on the 15th of May, he wont hand over the office keys, he's trying to bribe me so I can get back access to my office, maybe you guys can get some idea of what its like dealing with the chinese,
I wont be arguing with him on a public forum, not trying to get out of my responsibiliies at all, but dealing with chinese, to call it a nightmare would be an understatement.

* Who resigned??? I did not, i just asked for pay ,but you did not send me again!!!!And you wanted to cut my pay when i had a fever,which does not often happen.(2500RMB on contract). I just told you i did not want to work for you anymore,i want to resign ,but that will happen after i receive the pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* Actually, i did not receive a penny till now (29 may 2009),he should have paid me on 14th May. And office rent was due 25 May 2009(450RMB per month;pay by every half-year.)Now i have a big problem with landlord!!!
* Chinese? we have good ones and bad apples,most are good.Like ,you are not an good Australian at all ,in my view.
* I have no idea what i can do ,i just ask for comments from all of you. Justice belongs to anyone!
* I am sorry to bother all of you there,you will know who is right or wrong ,who has the reason who hasn't, at the end.
* Working for Brett is a nightmare,you will know how it feels,be a silent victim or swallow one's bitterness, keep silent like a dummy eating berberine( can he tell?no!!!)

Brett, send me the pay !! And the social insurance , old-age insurance, medical insurance,injury insurance, unemployment insurance!!!!

 

[317537]

I took my Hub into the bike shop a month back and asked them for some 165 mm spokes. They said they didn’t have any. Then I asked them if they could put a rim on the hub, and they said yeah sure. At $2:00 a spoke and $140 labour. $200 in total. Tried every where to get these. I even tried the dealer that sold me the wheel.

I got my charger and now a Hub sitting on my floor is ready to roll too. The charger was second hand and was sent to help me out and still Brett has offered a new one and sent the spokes too.

More than I expected. But at least this shows Brett is committed in keeping the respect of his peers and customers, in the end. Sorry if others don’t feel this way, and in no way do not blames people here for getting upset. Brett has already conceded that things are not running the way they should.

It seems through all this I've learned patients and different ways to deal with problems.

Yeah Brett’s been slow, possibly having communication difficulties with peers under pressure, and maybe a whole lot more things we could say about him too. But a thief, and scammer? He is definitely not.

Charlie with the office keys isn’t making profit margins soar either. He should give back the keys and sort out the wage issue through proper channels. Holding someone’s business at ransom like this is hypocritical, counter productive towards any conciliation, and the resulting libellous loss of revenue is ongoing.

 

[Lessss]

Well one of the two of you is lying so Bret how about you post the payment recipts for his pay to prove you paid him?

 

[The Stig]

Still waiting for my controller
I'm moving soon so its now or never Brett...

 

[lame]

Brett has claimed he is waiting for a controller from china so he can wire up my hub i bought over a year ago, i have bought a controller from somewhere else in the past week and now he hasnt replied to my emails to sort this out. This situation has gone from bad to worse for me

 

[317537]

Still waiting for my controller
I'm moving soon so its now or never Brett...

Hang in there mate. I'm sure he will fix things in nthe end.

Well one of the two of you is lying so Bret how about you post the payment recipts for his pay to prove you paid him?

This drama IMO counter productive, maybe they both are lying. I wouldn’t advise people to employ Chinese nationals in this fashion as they seem to take the law into there own hands or this practice of workers holding the business a at ransom to extort money from overseas investors is acceptable moral practice. Obviously Charlie is being a lil bint about things he even admits to holding the keys. Further damage to the business that Charlie is causing is slanderous. There maybe some mix up with pay how do the hell do we know. The forums on this topic is not the proper channels to work this problem out. espanolvida appears to desire more than a few dollars back pay. He seems to want to destroy Brett and his business by his word alone, immature and counter productive....

 

[ElectricEd]

317537 wrote:
This drama IMO counter productive, maybe they both are lying. I wouldn’t advise people to employ Chinese nationals in this fashion as they seem to take the law into there own hands or this practice of workers holding the business a at ransom to extort money from overseas investors is acceptable moral practice.

China is still a developing country, it's regulations, policing and civic responsibilities are still a bit like the ol' wild west was in the USA. People have to look after themselves as a lack of resources and corruption are embedded problems within the civil and legal structures of China. You're on the button about people taking the law into their own hands. They have to and it may be to the good or bad. If a Chinese worker has been dudded by a Western businessman, what recourse can he have? In my opinion espanolvida is doing the only thing he can to get justice.

Let's all step back a minute and take an overview. Consider...

Who is the main focus of complaints in this thread?
A. Brett White.

What is the main cause of complaint?
A. Brett White failing to deliver, whether it be goods or money.

How long has this been going on?
A. I first wondered whether Brett was going to deliver after waiting for more than the promised "6 weeks" in June of 2008. The Stig started this thread on Jan 16 2009.

There have been at least 3 complaints to Consumer Affairs NSW that I am aware of.

Surely one must begin to realise that there is a pattern here.

Of course, a few people have had no problems as Brett will supply if he has stock at hand. A few spokes and a second hand charger are a long way short of a full ebike kit.
What others have been caught out by is his easy nature, the generous advice and the amount of stock that his webpages suggest.

There are two main problems:
His practice of the "just in time" principal. It's one of the mistaken theories of the financial rationalist that big business often has a problem with. It just doesn't work for small business. This has been going on for more than a year to my knowledge. One would think that a sensible businessman would modify his practices to adjust to these problems of supply. Brett has continued to trade and accept moneys while not having any goods at hand and not knowing if he can get the goods. Meanwhile the money gets burnt up for his day to day expenses. In the corporate world this called Trading While Insolvent and is a criminal offense. Brett is not a corporation so this doesn't apply. Most small businesses go through tight times. It takes real discipline to survive them.
This brings us to the other problem, being Brett's disconnect of the business and personal aspects. He just doesn't "get it" that when people hand over their hard earned money they expect a fair return and that they get angry when their blood sweat and tears disappear into a black hole.
By all of this I am not accusing Brett of being criminally fraudulent. I would simply suggest that he get a real job, pay back his dudded customers, deal fairly with his worker and rethink his business practices before venturing back into business.

 

[Kurt]

Brett has continued to trade and accept moneys while not having any goods at hand and not knowing if he can get the goods. Meanwhile the money gets burnt up for his day to day expenses.

Spot on there I am sure this is what happened.

Most businesses would simply refund your money in full if they couldn't supply goods. People would except this refund and happily go on there way with little ill effect on Brett's business or personal reputation.

There is X amount of money outstanding that needs to be refunded to customers and he probably has -x to his name there isn't going to be a fast happy ending. If his workman in china has screwed him over Brett has to take responsibility for employing the man. Even if the ship sank from china with the stock on it its not your customers fault.

Kurt.

 

[317537]

Agreed that this thread should be kept on topic for the better of the ES community.

I got my stuff without complaint to consumer affairs, however I have stated the value of my orders were not a crucial point of my involvement here. It was a point of inconveniance.

I cant argue how things go when the ship hits the fan and not about to tell anyone to stop whinging, I'll try to keep my involvement here productive..

Cheers.

 

[greg]

I can report I received the kit I ordered from Brett now, albeit a few weeks outside the agreed timeframe.

 

[317537]

I can report I received the kit I ordered from Brett now, albeit a few weeks outside the agreed timeframe.

From my discussion with Brett in Emails over the last 2 months he always maintains his determination to make things good and a least satisfy the good people here and others that been effected.

Not once has he mentioned any of the customers or members here of referred to them in a bad light.

He has taken everything on the chin and has not run away from this.


Having said this, I agree with peoples concerns, and yes often customers need to show they mean business and make some noise.

I honestly want to see everyone happy and this thing to blow over too.



BTW how was the Kit?

 

[317537]

317537 wrote:
This drama IMO counter productive, maybe they both are lying. I wouldn’t advise people to employ Chinese nationals in this fashion as they seem to take the law into there own hands or this practice of workers holding the business a at ransom to extort money from overseas investors is acceptable moral practice.

China is still a developing country, it's regulations, policing and civic responsibilities are still a bit like the ol' wild west was in the USA. People have to look after themselves as a lack of resources and corruption are embedded problems within the civil and legal structures of China. You're on the button about people taking the law into their own hands. They have to and it may be to the good or bad. If a Chinese worker has been dudded by a Western businessman, what recourse can he have? In my opinion espanolvida is doing the only thing he can to get justice.

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At some point in the Wild West do people struggle?

The Chinese workman thing has nothing to do with Ebikes and I bet he doesn’t even ride one.

Brett asked the man to introduce himself here to help maintain some calm while everything gets sorted but instead he stirred everything up to worse and decided he would lead this protest. Another failed duty and I would be asking for my wages back if I was Brett as he is causing more damage than good.., In some way the worker was threatening our orders over a pay dispute which has nothing to do with ES forums and adds more to the cause of our problems IMO.

At what stage should we say its OK espanolvida to protest in such ways? If we are to support his protest this would mean we support further delays, not with my orders thanks! “non productive”. The duties the workman describes could of been done by myself for a fee of $50. Google some suppliers, copy paste the details send a few emails, how does this pay the bills?


My point here is espanolvida interaction here was making things more difficult. If he hasn’t resigned then he shows some freaking solidarity to the cause. Brett plans on fixing this and would have much more success without the worker rights protest going on here.

From what I understand from reading espanolvida services are no longer needed so anything he has to say from this point could be under bad feelings.

 

[ElectricEd]

317537 wrote:
Brett asked the man to introduce himself here to help maintain some calm while everything gets sorted but instead he stirred everything up to worse and decided he would lead this protest. Another failed duty and I would be asking for my wages back if I was Brett as he is causing more damage than good.., In some way the worker was threatening our orders over a pay dispute which has nothing to do with ES forums and adds more to the cause of our problems IMO.

That's the problem if a company's workers get offside with management. Unions in western countries do the same thing. I have had direct experience of seeing a two unions here in Oz behaving in exactly the same manner. The stores were locked down for days before the company gave in. There are laws against unions performing what is called a "secondary boycott" that impact against third parties, but the unions choose to ignore this as they are powerful enough to get away with it.
The same applies here in espanolvida's case. He can get away with it.

As I said earlier, what has been the consistant cause of complaint in this thread?
A. Brett White.
Is espanolvida's complaint all that different from any of the other complainants?
A. No. It's Brett White failing to deliver. Again.

With the current employment prospects in China getting duller every day due to the financial crisis, a worker would have to be pretty desperate to take espanolvida's stance. He has scotched any chance of further employment with Brett and would know that it will be difficult to find another job. Putting yourself into espanolvida's position, how would you act?

Brett's current customers will be affected, and this is the downside of the affair. If as it seems to me, that Brett has dudded his worker, then this problem has been caused by Brett's actions.
On balance, I reckon that a magistrate would rule in favour of espanolvida after seeing the history.

 

[leamcorp]

Wow!

Wild West? No rule of law? News to me and I do lot of business there (and rest of Asia).

Just in case you don't know, we (the American and other westerner) are really known to follow the "money god", "instant gratification god" and "I deserve it, even though I don't have the money god" (See story about current finacial crisis and causation of following "legal" civilized ways).

Are Chinese difficult? Damn right they are - but no different than a Spanish, Russian or East European due to a language barrier and/or cultural difference. Heck we have a problem dealing with people from same state and we speak the same language. What Brett said about Chinese tells me he is not an honorable man. You don't have to like the person but to classify entire country (race) is something else.

Stop defending this guy. Even if you got your chager or whatever, he is still taking order for items which he does not have or possibility of getting (due to lack of money, employee problem, who cares what else) and still owe money/products for others. Defending this guys make this more confusing, not post from supposed employee, which is just static.

 

[ElectricEd]

leamcorp wrote:
What Brett said about Chinese tells me he is not an honorable man. You don't have to like the person but to classify entire country (race) is something else.

Here here.
It's the lazy man/scoundrel that takes the easy way to by reverting to racism. Racism sucks.
We have enough of it here in Oz. It's usually the uneducated bogun that resorts to it though.

 

[317537]

leamcorp wrote:
What Brett said about Chinese tells me he is not an honorable man. You don't have to like the person but to classify entire country (race) is something else.

Here here.
It's the lazy man/scoundrel that takes the easy way to by reverting to racism. Racism sucks.
We have enough of it here in Oz. It's usually the uneducated bogun that resorts to it though.

Im Chinese blood. >y last name is a Chinese first name and I wont tell you that all Chinese are like anything.

But I wouldn't agree that Brett was racist in a too derogative way. Blacks are strong fast and smart Chinese are smart and have excellent balance and power to weight ratio. White people are smart are precise and can be exceptionally strong.

Men are strong and women are tender.

Men are very smart and so are women.

Men have good hands for intelligent mechanics.

Women have good hands for very fine work.

With all these wonderful tendencies we all share and differ from person to person and culture to culture there comes flaws too.

Edit.

Derogative.

should say.

I think we should keep things in perspective.

Agreed Brett has let quite a few people down.

 

[317537]

Wow!

Wild West? No rule of law? News to me and I do lot of business there (and rest of Asia).

Just in case you don't know, we (the American and other westerner) are really known to follow the "money god", "instant gratification god" and "I deserve it, even though I don't have the money god" (See story about current finacial crisis and causation of following "legal" civilized ways).

Are Chinese difficult? Damn right they are - but no different than a Spanish, Russian or East European due to a language barrier and/or cultural difference. Heck we have a problem dealing with people from same state and we speak the same language. What Brett said about Chinese tells me he is not an honorable man. You don't have to like the person but to classify entire country (race) is something else.

Stop defending this guy. Even if you got your chager or whatever, he is still taking order for items which he does not have or possibility of getting (due to lack of money, employee problem, who cares what else) and still owe money/products for others. Defending this guys make this more confusing, not post from supposed employee, which is just static.

LOL I am Australian Chinese, trust me what Brett said about my cultural heritage, one great nation of culture wouldn't harm a fly.

China's history leaves me in AWE what the hell Brett could say to offend that please specify.

 

[leamcorp]

Not worth it if you don't get it (both his ethic and blurb). Have a good day.

 

[317537]

Not worth it if you don't get it (both his ethic and blurb). Have a good day.

an answer to the question would suffice.

See Chinese do not understand racism and by culture in psychological way are immune, They don't even except poor as a label and wish to exhibit a statement freedom despite the current government.

I think the worlds media and government propaganda campaign and private sector supported sanctions as painting the government as evil has taken it toll upon the citizens. Things like sanction only effect poor people you know. The effects are physical.

Now!

This is there way.

My family have manged to cross the racial divide a century ago.

I have German, English, Scottish, Irish, and Chinese blood most of the really juicy racist names Ive heard seem to be by architecture of white people. From the moment I remember is was being called a wog because of my skin colour. My heritage of not understanding racism got me through. You see I have no problem recognizing race, and see no point in treating different people the same. People are different so treat them this way.

When you start getting all scared and jumpy over a few lose words this is where racism starts. Not allowing someone else to have a different culture is racism. If one was to deny service upon race, eg: not sell uranium to Korea because they are Asian. The secret is out guys. Looks like they can make there own.

Or point a million missiles at another country because they speak a different language or ap[pear a little smarter, now thats a big racist statement, How about run around the world in boat stealing black people to do white people hard jobs? I get it dude maybe a little better than you.

Now please answer me what did Brett say that was so Racist?

Thank you