Re: infineon 18 fets''houston wii have a problem'' (updated)

[Ariane]

Believe me, I would if it would be efficient (if I could get 200km like DocB did, out of twin agni's, I would.
5305 is a very efficient motor, the 9c is a little bit more efficient but less powerful, either one is a pretty good choice.
in the case of the twin 5305 the parts can be easily sold onwards, I don't want to face up to the possibility of selling it all for 1/5th of the price, in fact, the twin 9c would be a blitzer.
For now I am following methods route for the thrill ride, it is the next level after the 2wd > etek
actually, correctly phrasing it, 'my' etek is slow, the insane-a-cycle with motorcycle chain on the hub and 450amp controller with 0 ramp is probably as fast as the 2wd kit. But you have to change the chain every 500 miles :\

we will see what else can be built.

I was toying with the iea of first building a twin 5305 setup, front and rear...to run on 100volts...but the setup was so heavy, i counted it would be over 55kg of kit.
I have an idea for you instead of using dual X5, just use (2) Agni 95 R motor at 96 Volt (each) with Nano Lipo on a custom ebike frame of course you can put a biggertire on the rear wheel for a sort of drag ebike. And i'm really confident that you got something like 70 HP (real) on the rear wheel with a dyno test 8) that's serious power and now we are talking

Good day!
Black Arrow

This post is really too funny :lol: a single Agni 95 R is sufficient to beat Doc if it's your goal and this motor is one of the more efficient motor on earth with this kind of power, is more efficient than your actual Etek for the same weight, it can take with 400 Amps peak and 200 Amp continuous at 84 Volt 200 Km/h where did you have find this but you will reach 130 Km/h and over easily in a breeze

Good day !
Black Arrow

 

[texaspyro]

there another product named lucas that reduce heat and very good I already use it in my car tranny

So, you lube trannies in your car?

tranny not trannies :lol: :lol:

Ahhh, so just the one. Lucas must be very special :wink:

 

[lifepo4ever]

ok but i heard from liveforphisics 9c motor is saturerd after 100amps because of the heat so I almost put the maximum to this motor if we talking about heat lose because my set up in the next week will be 100 amp and 100 volts .

so the x5 suffer less from heat a bigger motor more powerful anyway

 

[Anonymous]

yes, thanks BA, I meant 200km range
Like our famous Docbass
No etek / agni / especially twin setup could take this on for range with konion cells, 500 cells later he did this >
[youtube]CU2tZ1TDDbY[/youtube]
I am awaiting the electric deLorean next

Believe me, I would if it would be efficient (if I could get 200km like DocB did, out of twin agni's, I would.
kind of power, is more efficient than your actual Etek for the same weight, it can take with 400 Amps peak and 200 Amp continuous at 84 Volt 200 Km/h is bit hight but you will reach 130 Km/h and over easily in a breeze

Good day !
Black Arrow

 

[lifepo4ever]

... try it you will see the real speed and give you also the acceleration

I don't have to do it Novembersierra will try it, but I'm really curious to see your face with this X5 set up and how you will regret this move and please can you test this power full X5 on dyno because I'm really curious to see 33 HP on this rear wheel , thank you! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good day!
Black Arrow

i can go faster then that lol with my class 6 motorcycle and my 600 cbr

 

[lifepo4ever]

just kidding I never want to challenge you but but like doc say be careful with the front wheel

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know about you but my goal is to break traction, this is rather weak for an x5 at 100v 100A with a 5305 at that voltage/amperage, at 200v / 200amp...now you're pushing the motor way past any sensible boundaries / heat loss is phenomenal, accounting for too much of the motor's power output...
less is better in some cases especially with thinner 9c windings that will accelerate faster at 100v (a doable voltage if you build two 14series lifepo4 or two 12s lipo packs)...
it's just so much cheaper / easier to build twin 9c's to do double burnouts amigo 8)

ok but i heard from liveforphisics 9c motor is saturerd after 100amps because of the heat so I almost put the maximum to this motor if we talking about heat lose because my set up in the next week will be 100 amp and 100 volts .

so the x5 suffer less from heat a bigger motor more powerful anyway

 

[lifepo4ever]

I like better have less electronics to avoid problem

 

[lifepo4ever]

anyway i wan to see this : Doctorbass as allot of power on his ebike but this ebike is able to do 0-70 Km/h in 5 second not bad but Novembersierra has less power on his ebike and this ebike is able to do 0-94 Km/h in 6 second with less power.


if 0-94 Km/h in 6 second with less power can be done with 9c twins motors i go run naked in the street and came back :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[John in CR]

NovSierra just needs a proper chain on his current ride, not bicycle chain. I think he'll be sorely disappointed with the torque of a hub motor between 0 and 5 mph.

 

[Anonymous]

Ah, there's something else, I don't get good acceleration between 0-5mph.... it's from 5mph--> 60mph that the acceleration begins, if I cranked out 0 ramp like the insaneacycle did i'd find myself on my ass with the bike wrapped around a tree wondering what happened and looking at my torn stumped wrists.

There is a soft-start engaged on the ebike right now... I have a feeling I won't be disappointed with the twin 9c, as I get similar acceleration with the etek right now without losing traction.... that controller is a box of magic tricks

NovSierra just needs a proper chain on his current ride, not bicycle chain. I think he'll be sorely disappointed with the torque of a hub motor between 0 and 5 mph.

 

[Ariane]

Novembersierra,

202 or 210 Km of range as been made by Doc Mongoose at 33 Km/h and less, I think that the average speed is less than 30 Km/h or slightly over but very close.

If you really want to break this record you need something like the BMC V2S motor this motor is more efficient then X5305 but your top speed with this motor will be around 50 Km/h max.

And why you didn't build your own frame like this one (see picture)it's will be quiet with allot of torque and you didn't have any issues anymore with your chain

Good day!

 

[Ariane]

if 0-94 Km/h in 6 second with less power can be done with 9c twins motors i go run naked in the street and came back :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Roger this 2wd will kick out an X5 at 20 KW for sure if it does 0-94 Km/h in 6 second or 7 second i don't know but there's one thing for sure that I know , I really don't want to see you run naked in QC or in another town because I don't want to have nightmare until the rest of my life :lol: :lol:

Good day!
Black Arrow

 

[lifepo4ever]

if 0-94 Km/h in 6 second with less power can be done with 9c twins motors i go run naked in the street and came back :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Roger this 2wd will kick out an X5 at 20 KW for sure if it does 0-94 Km/h in 6 second or 7 second i don't know but there's one thing for sure that I know , I really don't want to see you run naked in QC or in another town because I don't want to have nightmare until the rest of my life :lol: :lol:

Good day!
Black Arrow

hey Bruno i really hope this beast will make 0 to 94kph in 7 second if you reaaly close of that build the same set up just imagine chasing car with a ebike
doing that accelaration , i want to see picture of the project if done with 9c and video link

 

[Ariane]

hey Bruno i really hope this beast will make 0 to 94kph in 7 second if you reaaly close of that build the same set up just imagine chasing car with a ebike
doing that accelaration , i want to see picture of the project if done with 9c and video link

Roger for this year i will build a light ebike (i have a very low budget ) i don't build this dual 9C Novembersierra built this ebike for a friend of him.

Chasing car yes i have done that many times in the past with my electric motorcycle with the Agni summer 2009 and with the Black Arrow last summer until i begin to have some trouble with my battery pack by my fault.

Good day!
Black Arrow

 

[lifepo4ever]

if this set up can be very efficient i thing next year i will try do to this set up but i have to figure it out how to secure the front motor i am little bit scare of losing the wheel mine is a good fork but i doubth it can mod for this set up I need more idea

i think i have the same fork like you, my bike is a norco sasquash

i want to bring my lipo with a rack on the front of bike like yours because i have so much weigth on the back i can do wheelie at 40kph and i only have 12 pound of battery its very cool but also dangerous i fall 2 times with the bike because i forget the bike can fly like a bird if i don't put my body weigth on the front
a friend also fall with my bike on street but both was lucky to just have some scratch !!

 

[Anonymous]

I wanted to keep the pedals, so i can pedal it back home if it breaks. like yesterday when the cable was 'shorting' because it was unable to handle 6 months of 300amperes...it's going to need more cable.
Luckily... the cable i got is SHIELDED so i think that means less EMF
also, I have some photographs on the other post showing the deformation of the sprocket

Novembersierra,

202 or 210 Km of range as been made by Doc Mongoose at 33 Km/h and less, I think that the average speed is less than 30 Km/h or slightly over but very close.

If you really want to break this record you need something like the BMC V2S motor this motor is more efficient then X5305 but your top speed with this motor will be around 50 Km/h max.

And why you didn't build your own frame like this one (see picture)it's will be quiet with allot of torque and you didn't have any issues anymore with your chain

Good day!

 

[lifepo4ever]

or bigger gauge wire you need lol , i have 4 gauge wire from a soldering machine this begood for a big power motor but with 300amp peak ? what controller you use to have that power?

 

[Anonymous]

I'm using a BRUSHED setup, the only problem with my setup is, that after 7,000 miles, if the controller 'dies', it will be a 'runaway' vehicle... with me on it, add to this that the ebike goes very fast, and the controller barely breaks a sweat UPHILL and you've got a pretty mean machine on your hands
practical? no, good for short sprints? YES!

or bigger gauge wire you need lol , i have 4 gauge wire from a soldering machine this begood for a big power motor but with 300amp peak ? what controller you use to have that power?

 

[lifepo4ever]

maybe go with hub motor but less torque then your etek you miss your chain motor

 

[lifepo4ever]

ok for now i am waiting for the usb adapter but i made some modification of the controller today ,

to prevent the heat i change the wire for 10 gauge and also beef up the trace :

the result , i feel little bit more power but i will test it on road with CA result tonight

the copper i use is 10 gauge solid home wire this will give more cooling and its the maximum can fit in the controller box

for the pahse and power wire am using 10 gauge wire and cut it the same length the previous wire but anyway of what of i see there are not all the same length
so i don't know why people say the phase wire need to be all the same lenght from the motor because at the end the wire have maybe 3-4 inch of difference from the controller box

 

[lifepo4ever]

ok yesterday I receive the usb cable from lyen and since i try to program the controller and there nothing happen after 8 ride of testing i don't see difference of power

when i say no power i mean it fell like a 50 amps controller running 72 volt i know the feeling because i bougth one 2 year ago
the same controller was modified to 100volt with 80 amps and i was able to do wheelie at full trottle between 0 to 40kph

and now there no wheelies at all and i still have the same set up lipo 24s p2 and 2807

so was happen is with kewin sofware the parameter and the sofware work with no error , it can send everything to the controller the end message say ''completed''

but no matter i try there no differnce i go to 40/100 phase,50/120,57/160 phase and there no diference and at 57/160 it should pop wheelie like hell !!!


the Lyen sofware doesn't work because when i try to send the parameter to the controller and I have '' ??? failure''

i run windows7 but everything is set to with the 64 driver and my computer reconize the usb dongle so i am stuck there

 

[lifepo4ever]

ok so nobody can answer me but Mr Lyen is there to the rescue !! i hope to find what wrong because at night I dream about power

 

[TMaster]

Well the Keywin 116 is working because it says completed. Its too bad the software cant work in reverse so you can pull the data off the MCU to see what its really set at before you program it. If you set the phase current to 160 and the rated current to 57 you should be lifting off lol. All your other settings look fine. The only thing I can think of is there is a user problem in the process of the programming or the MCU is not getting programmed because of defectivness of the MCU even though it says completed.

1. Stick with the original keywin software.
2. Run the software.
3. Plug in the usb cable to the controller with no power hooked to the controller
4. The computer should recognize the cable being plugged in.
5. Check the device manager USB section to see what port the prolific driver is on.
6. Load the 18 fet program into the keywin, change the port to what it sopposed to be, and change what settings you want.
7. press transmitt, then 2 seconds later press the button on the USB cable and hold it down. When it says completed,then you can let go of the button.

Make sure you always run the software before you plug the usb in.

Other Things to try: Try an windows XP computer, make sure the prolific driver is correct for the OS. Make sure the USB cable is plugged into the controller right, force the wires into eachother after you connected the black connector. Last resort replace the MCU.

 

[lifepo4ever]

Well the Keywin 116 is working because it says completed. Its too bad the software cant work in reverse so you can pull the data off the MCU to see what its really set at before you program it. If you set the phase current to 160 and the rated current to 57 you should be lifting off lol. All your other settings look fine. The only thing I can think of is there is a user problem in the process of the programming or the MCU is not getting programmed because of defectivness of the MCU even though it says completed.

1. Stick with the original keywin software.
2. Run the software.
3. Plug in the usb cable to the controller with no power hooked to the controller
4. The computer should recognize the cable being plugged in.
5. Check the device manager USB section to see what port the prolific driver is on.
6. Load the 18 fet program into the keywin, change the port to what it sopposed to be, and change what settings you want.
7. press transmitt, then 2 seconds later press the button on the USB cable and hold it down. When it says completed,then you can let go of the button.

Make sure you always run the software before you plug the usb in.

Other Things to try: Try an windows XP computer, make sure the prolific driver is correct for the OS. Make sure the USB cable is plugged into the controller right, force the wires into eachother after you connected the black connector. Last resort replace the MCU.

ok i made road test today and no positive result so there something wrong with the controller i will to open it and do some test reading .

both program give me the same result but with lyen setting at 70/190 i feel i little more power but still not enougth to lift the wheel

but can be capacitor? mosfets? the controller run smooth