Stop Geoengineering Chemtrails
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nutnspecial
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Either way, (lol), the limitations of your prediction (pro/con) appear incorrect. You already know where I stand on 911 punxor, there are way too many coincidences and issues surrounding the official story to take it for truth.
And that's besides I don't think there's a snoballs chance in hell that an airliner and 1hr of smoldering can bring down a building of that design/size, much less how both fell, crumbling to dust.
It is cute tho to attempt a funny at putting accused geoengineering and 911 together . . . . :lol: . . . . although neither subject, whether perpetrated secretly or not are very funny.
And that's besides I don't think there's a snoballs chance in hell that an airliner and 1hr of smoldering can bring down a building of that design/size, much less how both fell, crumbling to dust.
It is cute tho to attempt a funny at putting accused geoengineering and 911 together . . . . :lol: . . . . although neither subject, whether perpetrated secretly or not are very funny.
jimw1960
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nutspecial said:
If such geoengineering is happening on a global scale, what do you propose is the mechanism for contaminant transport that leads to the global deposition being concentrated on the east and west coasts?
There is plenty of "activity" over my head as evidenced by frequently observed contrails from jets flying in the stratosphere, so there is no reason why deposition would not occur over central Texas. Our sampling includes stormwater runoff, which would be representative of fresh precipitation plus whatever fresh contaminants it rinses off of the ground. I do know and I do care. It's just that I know correctly and you know wrongly.
nutnspecial
10 MW
Beyond the obvious:
More airtraffic
More spray including metal nano PM
More precipitation
-hell if I know, but good luck if you check it out more
Here's a list of docs/patents http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents
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I think the guy has some good points
More airtraffic
More spray including metal nano PM
More precipitation
-hell if I know, but good luck if you check it out more
Here's a list of docs/patents http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents
[youtube]g_xl5-yN5Ts[/youtube]
I think the guy has some good points
Man, literally every sentence that guy spoke ended in [citation needed]. It just goes to show, no matter how unfounded and nonsensical a message, if said with sufficient authority some people will believe it.
As a general note, the existence of a patent for an idea proves absolutely nothing. An idea doesn't have to be possible or practical to be patentable and there is almost one for anything you can think of. There are certainly many more unused patents than used ones. Publically publishing your diabolical secret scheme by patenting it would also be kinda silly. As would designing a chemical spraying system that was so unreliable that it would randomly stop, start and sputter in use.
You also have to wonder where the storage tank is for the spraying chemicals. The longest regular commercial flights are 17 hours and that would be a hell of a lot of liquid to maintain such a huge plume. I figure it'd be much more "spraying chemical" than fuel. The hold is full of baggage, the cabin is full of passengers, the wings are full of fuel. Where is it kept?
As a general note, the existence of a patent for an idea proves absolutely nothing. An idea doesn't have to be possible or practical to be patentable and there is almost one for anything you can think of. There are certainly many more unused patents than used ones. Publically publishing your diabolical secret scheme by patenting it would also be kinda silly. As would designing a chemical spraying system that was so unreliable that it would randomly stop, start and sputter in use.
You also have to wonder where the storage tank is for the spraying chemicals. The longest regular commercial flights are 17 hours and that would be a hell of a lot of liquid to maintain such a huge plume. I figure it'd be much more "spraying chemical" than fuel. The hold is full of baggage, the cabin is full of passengers, the wings are full of fuel. Where is it kept?
nutnspecial
10 MW
Volume isn't even needed, in fact mute it.
Try it here also
- particularly 0:20 - 0:59
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Try it here also
- particularly 0:20 - 0:59
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Ohbse
10 kW
nutspecial said:
Where to even begin? This is such a perfect example of faulty conclusions drawn through ignorance.
Nearly collides? There is absolutely no way you can draw that conclusion given this viewpoint, those planes might have been literally a mile apart.
If you're saying that plane is spraying something, what explains the on/off patchy nature of the dispersion? Surely after tens of thousands of hours of spraying they could keep the flow on consistently!
Drunkskunk
100 GW
Evil Masterminds so vile they willfully break the laws of society, nature, and even the laws of physics!Punx0r said:
http://www.sillybeliefs.com/chemtrails.html
nutnspecial
10 MW
I believe the issues in the last clip are definitely:
-On/off trail
-Two other planes- apparently jets also with zero trail at same time in same sky
-Paths of the aircraft- i don't see any possiblity they are a mile away
-Many other older trails -fanning out into a blanket, opposite what I understand contrails are expected to do.
If you'all think referenced website and clips I mentioned show nothing or are comfortable with your explanation that's fine.
Maybe it isn't happening much where you live. Maybe you are perfectly happy with the official explanation (water vapor and increased traffic?). Maybe you don't look up, or care to look past what is widely taken as proof nowadays. Plenty of evidence and I think some form widespread intentional spraying may actually be the most plausible.
As per your understanding, how do normal contrails fit with what is evidenced visually?
-On/off trail
-Two other planes- apparently jets also with zero trail at same time in same sky
-Paths of the aircraft- i don't see any possiblity they are a mile away
-Many other older trails -fanning out into a blanket, opposite what I understand contrails are expected to do.
If you'all think referenced website and clips I mentioned show nothing or are comfortable with your explanation that's fine.
Maybe it isn't happening much where you live. Maybe you are perfectly happy with the official explanation (water vapor and increased traffic?). Maybe you don't look up, or care to look past what is widely taken as proof nowadays. Plenty of evidence and I think some form widespread intentional spraying may actually be the most plausible.
As per your understanding, how do normal contrails fit with what is evidenced visually?
nutnspecial
10 MW
Also I really like the link drunkskunk!
Soooo CUTE!
But was there some science or evidence buried somewhere in that rhetoric?
Soooo CUTE!
But was there some science or evidence buried somewhere in that rhetoric?
sansander.ebike
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hi Guys,
ok ok I know it is difficult to say, there are or are not there Chamtrail or Contrails. tells me i need a reply.
I have since high flying and take a test.
I am convinced that this is not normal.
what is this ??? for shit then in the sky......
The pictures are from yesterday, Earlier in the day The sky was so clean and so deep blue and as little airplanes, "Fantastica"
afternoon is it starting Spay spay.....
the evening the sky was so.
ok ok I know it is difficult to say, there are or are not there Chamtrail or Contrails. tells me i need a reply.
I have since high flying and take a test.
I am convinced that this is not normal.
what is this ??? for shit then in the sky......
The pictures are from yesterday, Earlier in the day The sky was so clean and so deep blue and as little airplanes, "Fantastica"
afternoon is it starting Spay spay.....
the evening the sky was so.
jimw1960
10 kW
Looks like water vapor to me. Same kinds of contrails I have seen since being a little kid back in the 1960s. You can also see Alto Cirrus clouds forming along with the contrails, which indicates the air is supersaturated with water vapor and starting to form tiny ice crystals. Prime conditions for contrail formation.
nutnspecial
10 MW
Yes, water vapor. The proposition is, that's not all . . . .
I guess jim's answer is yes. Apparently that's the popular one. To me, it looks pretty other-worldly.
I didn't see this stuff even in the 80's and 90's jim, and considering how easy the 'effect' is to capture on film nowadays, it's pretty challenging to find any recorded evidence of any regular occurence before year 2000.
For those thinking it's somehow physically impossible- The patents and assorted papers (nasa) indicate there are working methods to spray nano particulate matter in this manner. There are also major climatologists condoning it. If people think covert action not in the interest of the people is implausible for a government, I suggest they think again :lol:
I guess jim's answer is yes. Apparently that's the popular one. To me, it looks pretty other-worldly.
I didn't see this stuff even in the 80's and 90's jim, and considering how easy the 'effect' is to capture on film nowadays, it's pretty challenging to find any recorded evidence of any regular occurence before year 2000.
For those thinking it's somehow physically impossible- The patents and assorted papers (nasa) indicate there are working methods to spray nano particulate matter in this manner. There are also major climatologists condoning it. If people think covert action not in the interest of the people is implausible for a government, I suggest they think again :lol:
Samd
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Of course I didnt.
Airfreight and domestic air travel has quadrupled since then.
Airfreight and domestic air travel has quadrupled since then.
Gregory
100 kW
2015 is the hottest year on record (beating 2014 the previous record).
If this is geoengineering it isn't working very well....Typical gubbermint, always wasting taxpayers money.
sansander, if this really bothers you, move to Perth, we don't get contrails here.
If this is geoengineering it isn't working very well....Typical gubbermint, always wasting taxpayers money.
sansander, if this really bothers you, move to Perth, we don't get contrails here.
nutnspecial
10 MW
Re Sam: so by that logic, in the previous norm, instead of 4 persistent trails we'd have 1?
Instead of 20, we'd have 5- often stretching from horizon from horizon, slowly whiting out a blue sky?
I guess it's good bye, blue sky. Literally.
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Instead of 20, we'd have 5- often stretching from horizon from horizon, slowly whiting out a blue sky?
I guess it's good bye, blue sky. Literally.
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[youtube]_0v07InoFiU[/youtube]
nutnspecial
10 MW
Re Greg: that's awesome and thanks for the link.
The higher trafficked parts of the world (and even your country) aren't so lucky though.
The higher trafficked parts of the world (and even your country) aren't so lucky though.
Gregory
100 kW
They're so rare here I honestly can't remember the last time I saw one. And I spend quite a bit of time outdoors.
Maybe two years ago at the beach and it was heading West out over the Indian Ocean? It dispersed slowly.
edit:
Yep beautiful blue skies, wish it rained a bit more.
So I googled "Perth contrails" and and found a youtube video by a guy called "WaterFluoridation PoisonOnYourTap" showing one.
LOL, You can guess what I think of him
Maybe two years ago at the beach and it was heading West out over the Indian Ocean? It dispersed slowly.
edit:
Yep beautiful blue skies, wish it rained a bit more.
So I googled "Perth contrails" and and found a youtube video by a guy called "WaterFluoridation PoisonOnYourTap" showing one.
LOL, You can guess what I think of him
nutnspecial
10 MW
Awesome about the clear skies. AU is kinda like towards the edge of the world. Southern africa and s. america also have little 'across' airtraffic, most seems to go north from them.
Flouride, Lol, I shouldn't fathom a guess, but can offer my opinion. I thought those people were off, having first been exposed to a nice couple in person, I thought little more. No judgement towards the couple that were passionate and knowledgable, even if they were saying some of the strangest things I had heard. Their goal was only to inform, nothing more, as they must have known people make up their own minds.
It wasn't until some time later I became objective enough to research for myself, that I learned about natural flouride vs the manmade stuff used in dental industry and even water supplies. I realized from a medical standpoint how absurd it was to attempt any kind of 'medication' through drinking water.
Brushing your teeth with it is one thing; it can be more uniformally dosed, and would seem to be the most realistic use for it's proposed benefit. Compared to drinking it. . . .
Flouride, Lol, I shouldn't fathom a guess, but can offer my opinion. I thought those people were off, having first been exposed to a nice couple in person, I thought little more. No judgement towards the couple that were passionate and knowledgable, even if they were saying some of the strangest things I had heard. Their goal was only to inform, nothing more, as they must have known people make up their own minds.
It wasn't until some time later I became objective enough to research for myself, that I learned about natural flouride vs the manmade stuff used in dental industry and even water supplies. I realized from a medical standpoint how absurd it was to attempt any kind of 'medication' through drinking water.
Brushing your teeth with it is one thing; it can be more uniformally dosed, and would seem to be the most realistic use for it's proposed benefit. Compared to drinking it. . . .
Chalo
100 TW
When I was a kid in the early 1970s, we had RF-4s flying out of Bergstrom AFB nearby-- even the occasional sonic boom. I loved seeing contrails form; I thought they were incredibly cool. All flying machines were exciting then. When I was in high school in the mid-'80s, a passing RF-4 was loud enough to shut down whatever else was happening in the classroom. I remember taking note that some contrails seemed to disappear at a distance behind the plane, while at other times, they formed clouds that persisted for as long as I bothered to watch.
I don't have such warm feelings about contrails now, because I know that they're the result of pollution. But I still know what they are.
I don't have such warm feelings about contrails now, because I know that they're the result of pollution. But I still know what they are.
jimw1960
10 kW
nutspecial said:
Well air traffic has certainly increased over time since the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but yes I can recall seeing lots of contrails as a kid in the 60s when conditions were ripe. There have already been several posts on this thread--that I am sure you have seen and ignored--showing multiple contrail skies back as far as WWII. In every picture, you also see high alto cirrus clouds, an indication that conditions are right for formation of ice crystals from water vapor.
jimw1960
10 kW
Gregory said:They're so rare here I honestly can't remember the last time I saw one. And I spend quite a bit of time outdoors.
How often do you notice alto cirrus clouds (those very high feathery looking clouds). When those are present, it is indicative that conditions may be ripe for persistent contrail formation. Perth is pretty far south and Australia is mostly a desert, so it may be that moisture-saturated air at high altitudes does not occur very frequently. Keep an eye out for the high cirrus clouds. If you happen to notice that that is the only time you see contrails, it would just about prove that it is a moisture condensation phenomenon. Note that in every single photo that nutspecial and others have posted showing persistent contrails, there are also high cirrus clouds present.
I might be more persuaded if they could show contrails across the sky where no cirrus clouds are present-- can't be a zoomed in photo, though; it has to be a wide shot showing the whole sky. Theoretically, you could still form contrails where no cirrus clouds are present, but those contrails should dissipate more quickly. That is why you should distinguish between persistent contrails versus rapidly dissipating contrails.
For example, here is a photo of a jet making contrails where there are no cirrus clouds visible. You can see that, in this condition, the contrails are nearly dissipated a short distance behind the jet, due to the dryer air. If this was a chemical spray, that would not happen.
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Drunkskunk
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Its not the chem trails in the sky you need to worry about, man. It's the tar trails on the ground that will get you. DHMO in the sky just freaks the mind, it's the tar on the ground that'll control your lives!
Go here, don't go there. Stop. Wrong Way. No Turn. NO EXIT!
The Government has been Geoengineering Tartrails for more than 100 years, and they are still doing it every day, even in front off schools! Skys full of DHMO trails will dissipate in time, but some of these tar trails date back to before the 1900s! Did you know that the planes that Crashed into the WTC on 911 had been in direct contact with tartrails? What is even more shocking is that the pilots crossed over many tartrails on the way to the towers. You know what that means! Almost every serial killer in the U.S. has come in contact with a tartrail at some point before they decided to kill. Coincidence?
Cloudbusters have no effect on tartrails. The only way to protect your self from their presence is by getting far away from centers of population, where the tartrails thin out. But the government is smart, man. you have to cross many of the tar trails on the way out of the cities!
Stop Geoengineering Tartrails Now!
YES! STOP! STOP THE TAR TRAILS NOW!
Go here, don't go there. Stop. Wrong Way. No Turn. NO EXIT!
The Government has been Geoengineering Tartrails for more than 100 years, and they are still doing it every day, even in front off schools! Skys full of DHMO trails will dissipate in time, but some of these tar trails date back to before the 1900s! Did you know that the planes that Crashed into the WTC on 911 had been in direct contact with tartrails? What is even more shocking is that the pilots crossed over many tartrails on the way to the towers. You know what that means! Almost every serial killer in the U.S. has come in contact with a tartrail at some point before they decided to kill. Coincidence?
Cloudbusters have no effect on tartrails. The only way to protect your self from their presence is by getting far away from centers of population, where the tartrails thin out. But the government is smart, man. you have to cross many of the tar trails on the way out of the cities!
Stop Geoengineering Tartrails Now!
YES! STOP! STOP THE TAR TRAILS NOW!
