The true sine-wave (vectored) controller & electronics set

adrian_sm said:
I did a few runs on the dyno at low speeds, and found the higher PWM rate definitely kept the controller cooler. I just assumed that the low inductance, low resistance, and lower BEMF all colluded to create big current spikes. But what your saying is that the timing is possibly off at these low speeds. Very interesting, and makes sense since the RC styles ESCs are really not expected to run at high load and low speed, so they probably don't care at all if they have the right timing then.

So given these cheaper trapezoidal controllers I am playing with have no phase current measurement, then the last thing for me to optimise appears to be the timing or advance. Guess I'll add that to the todo list.

Oh, here is an example of how the predicted equilibrium temperature fr the ESC under load was affected by the motor speed, and the PWM frequency, under the same load conditions.

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Sorry if this is all too for off topic. But this may help explain a few things I was not quite sure off. Cheers.

That is a seriously huge difference! :shock: Interesting! So that graph is a prediction, not an actual dyno test?
 
It is real data under load for about 12minutes then extrapolated out with an exponential approach function to predict the actual equilibrium temperature. Probably accurate to about 5 deg-C.
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=46210&start=125#p705058

The ESC being tested is a HiModel 150A ICE
This data was with 18 deg of timing advance, and synchronous rectification (or Active Freewheeling as they call it) turned on.
 
so... is the maxi available to buy now ?

when I click to add one to the shopping basket, nothing happens :-(

also, is there a list of final features ?

the new rim will be ready for my cromotor soon, and I'll need a new controller good for 7kw :-o
(battery is good for 7kw peak, 4kw cont.)
 
dbaker said:
How did your beta test go? What motor did you drive with it?
I've used it with the GNG motor. My impression was the controller is designed to be used with a large DD motor. I don't have a motor like that at the moment and neither have the time to build another bike to test it. I have offered the controller to be tested to someone else..

The throttle response with GNG is extremely slow and I was unable to flash the firmware to fix that. I do like the dashboard, feature set and the layout though.

There are many reviews in this thread http://electrotransport.ru/ussr/index.php/topic,15418.0.html
 
The OP's lack of posts and responses to questions here on ES clearly shows a lack of interest in pushing this product to success.

SUCKS! WTF!

We're the laughing stock of history/progress!

AND THIS is THE ONE form of "PROGRESS" that could be GOOD FOR HUMANITY, SAD, SAD, SAD!

May one hard drive survive so that someday a more mature civilization will know the self imposed plight of humanity and its' lack of responsibility to its' own evolution and survival.

Death to humanity! You might as well chant along, as our silence is even louder and more disturbing!

See you when we're all dust,
Jay
 
GITech said:
The OP's lack of posts and responses to questions here on ES clearly shows a lack of interest in pushing this product to success.

SUCKS! WTF!

We're the laughing stock of history/progress!

AND THIS is THE ONE form of "PROGRESS" that could be GOOD FOR HUMANITY, SAD, SAD, SAD!

May one hard drive survive so that someday a more mature civilization will know the self imposed plight of humanity and its' lack of responsibility to its' own evolution and survival.

Death to humanity! You might as well chant along, as our silence is even louder and more disturbing!

See you when we're all dust,
Jay

Ok I know ES is important to the e-bike world... but not talking about a product on a particular forum does not mean the end of that product. It looks like the forum he is using is getting huge interest and will probably provide enough demand to outstrip production for a while.
 
Hey... its the controller able to drive the colossus? I asked some pages ago and got no answer.

Im asking again because the motor is ready for prime time now.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=52083#p771910
 
dnmun said:
is this the kit that andrey has greg testing? he already had it up to 59mph on 20S lipo and the BMS and balancing is integral to the controller which i thought was a neat idea.

Yes... Greg is using the small one.
 
I just noticed that he was using a different controller and came to find out how to get one. :roll:
 
I'm pretty sure they are already available. Velomastera.uk? Check the last few pages for a link. don't know about international.
 
I just bought this one and we will see when it gets here. I'm setting up my trike as a pedelec. It was inexpensive enoug wit the screen (another 26 bucks) to give it a try. If it deosn't work well I will get the v3 Cycleanalyst and try that with the ring as telectik has shown.
otherDoc
http://www.bmsbattery.com/controller/552-s06-250w-imitation-torque-square-wave-controller.html
 
I have read everything there is to read on here about this controller combo.
Still have a couple of questions though:

The charging is done via regen. Does this mean that the voltage of the charger isn't all that important, as long as it's below the battery peak voltage? The way I see it, regen braking also doesn't give you the exact voltage you need, so would have to be scaled by the controller?
If this is how it works, it would be awesome: have a big ass psu at home, and let the controller do all the balancing and scaling, and use a small laptop psu for portable, slow charging. Balancing everytime, and using off the shelf psu's for it would be phenomenal.

Does the controller have a drain on the batteries if left connected? Would kinda suck to have to make an inrush limiter board for a controller this sophisticated, and to plug and unplug it everytime.

Both are rated at 24-98V. Would 24S lipo work? nominal is 24*3.7 = 88.8V, but hot off the charger would be 24*4.2 = 100.8V
 
Hi together,

i'm now proud owner of the Max Controller. The software still is in beta stage and more features are added step by step.
With spezial Cromotor timing settings my Bike is now about 3-4kmh faster than my previous 18Fet Infineon and power consumption stayed about the same.
Max Controller set to the same amp settings as i used with Infineon: 60A batt, 100A phase. With the Infineon it was about 25-30Wh/km normal riding. Adaptto showed me about 29Wh/km after first testride.
I still have to make some range tests and compare Wh/km more exact becasue i did some tests with the wheel spinning freely off the ground.
With FOC sine wave Torque mode its a dream and very comfortable silent bike :) I very like it.
Some more infos can be found in my thread (link is in sig).

will keep you updated

svmw.jpg
 
madin88 said:
Hi together,

i'm now proud owner of the Max Controller. The software still is in beta stage and more features are added step by step.
With spezial Cromotor timing settings my Bike is now about 3-4kmh faster than my previous 18Fet Infineon and power consumption stayed about the same.
Max Controller set to the same amp settings as i used with Infineon: 60A batt, 100A phase. With the Infineon it was about 25-30Wh/km normal riding. Adaptto showed me about 29Wh/km after first testride.
I still have to make some range tests and compare Wh/km more exact becasue i did some tests with the wheel spinning freely off the ground.
With FOC sine wave Torque mode its a dream and very comfortable silent bike :) I very like it.
Some more infos can be found in my thread (link is in sig).

will keep you updated

svmw.jpg

Can you comment on the purchase experience please? I know that these are only in beta, but many of us are interested in trying it out. Could you (if you don't mind) state how much it was, how long it took and who you reached out to?

thanks,

Calvin
 
If you're in a hurry, I think you can pm andreym. Otherwise try ordering from velomastera.ru. :)

Madin, thanks for posting. Question, does the external thermal sensor use a 10k NTC thermistor, or can that be set?
Also, what was shipping for you if I may ask?
 
cal3thousand said:
Can you comment on the purchase experience please? I know that these are only in beta, but many of us are interested in trying it out. Could you (if you don't mind) state how much it was, how long it took and who you reached out to?

thanks,

Calvin

I called Adaptto E-Dirve Labs and they gave me an email address. Shipping to Austria was about 65$ with EMS and took about 10days (with tracking number).

actual prices: 24000 russia ruble for Max and 14000 for Mini

If you want to use PayPal payment there are some additional costs.

I'm also happy with the support. I must say they don't answer always very fast, but they answer :)
 
xenodius said:
If you're in a hurry, I think you can pm andreym. Otherwise try ordering from velomastera.ru. :)

Madin, thanks for posting. Question, does the external thermal sensor use a 10k NTC thermistor, or can that be set?
Also, what was shipping for you if I may ask?

No, you can only choose in menu between some PT and KTY sensors.
Andrey told me support for 10k thermistor will be add in newer firmware.

This is the only thing which is tomporarily annoying, because i don't want to open my sealed up cromotor again and swap thermistor. I decided to wait for the firmware.

Shipping was about 30$ with airmail and 65$ EMS. From Russia Moscow to Europe Austria.
 
new Firmware "V1-RC8f" released with NTC10k support. Working range is 29-150°C due to hardware limit.
 
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