Throttle response changed after increasing battery voltage

1.2 volts on the throttle signal sure is an odd place to get stuck... was it still able to move around when you're moving the throttle handle?

Just checking... from your perspective CCW = throttle down, and CW = throttle up, correct?
Is this controller doing regeneration at any time?

Reset procedure is to rotate throttle to home or off position, then reapply to the power on area?
Does applying the brakes reset it?

The go pro is fine, but I don't want you to get too distracted from driving!
Tape up those testing leads better too...
 
1.2 volts on the throttle signal sure is an odd place to get stuck... was it still able to move around when you're moving the throttle handle?
That's the voltage (that I think I saw from a quick glance) when I got no power as I gave throttle input.

Just checking... from your perspective CCW = throttle down, and CW = throttle up, correct?
Correct

Is this controller doing regeneration at any time?
No regen

Reset procedure is to rotate throttle to home or off position, then reapply to the power on area?
Correct, that's the only way to get power back.

Does applying the brakes reset it?
You mean apply brake while holding current throttle position? That'd be hard to do for me (I do not have big hands or long fingers). If you are suggesting the brake signal may have been inhibiting the throttle, I've thought about that also. My hunch is that's not happening. To rule that out I need to monitor the brake signal (using an LED).

Edit: would using an LED to monitor brake signal be easy to rig up?


The go pro is fine, but I don't want you to get too distracted from driving!
Tape up those testing leads better too...
Gopro lessens distraction (do not have to watch DMM anymore). When it happens, I'll curse, that'll be the cue during video playback.

Not every wire is taped (3 throttle wires brought out) to make switching DMM connection easier. Nothing can short (the way it is) if an alligator clip falls off. I'll take your advice and tape it better.
 
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When it happens, I'll curse, that'll be the cue during video playback.
When it happens, this is a GOOD thing! :)

The goal is to get it stuck in a faulted position. I.E. When the fault occurs FREEZE your throttle hand in the position it's in and keep the motor stuck off. Resist the temptation to respond to automatically resetting it, do not allow the throttle to return to the home position! Do NOT use the brake at this time if possible...

Hold it there, walk the bike to a safe spot and lift the drive wheel off the ground with the stand.
After achieving as good and safe a testing position as possible, always keeping the throttle twisted. Now you can lift the seat and check for the tattle-tail flashing controller error code hopefully set.

Look to see if the throttle voltage can be varied at this time with throttle movement. Do NOT let it get to HOME position! Testing in the mid ranges.

If need be, with the throttle secured in the approximate 25% power position. Start a series of physical checks and monitor the signal voltage.
Anything changes when you...
Turn the steering to full left to full right stops?
Moderately tapping on the throttle assembly.
Move or pull on any touchable throttle wiring or harnesses.

Have these steps in mind and be prepared before your rides. As always fully charge before going out to increase the odds.
Always be wary of an unexpected motor start!
We don't need any viral videos! :sick:


Good luck, and good hunting!
 
During a ride today it happened twice. Didn't have the Gopro mounted. It happened while stopped at a stop sign. Giving throttle to cross the intersection got no power, twist the throttle to increase throttle nothing happened. There was a car behind me so I had to move by letting throttle go to zero and start again. I did look at the DMM when I gave more throttle and the voltage stayed the same and didn't increase. The second time it happened was identical as the first time (also with car behind me).

I am having a lot of problems with my Gopro Hero 4K and trying to get warranty service (not connecting to bluetooth or wifi) . Mounting it on the scooter with the kit that I have does not work well (camera keeps slipping and drops out of position). I am giving up the idea of the Gopro for now.

Is it possible there's a dead spot in my throttle? I have a new one I bought for an ebike that I no longer own and could try it on the scooter and see if it fits. It has a battery meter with a push button switch which may get in the way.

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I did look at the DMM when I gave more throttle and the voltage stayed the same and didn't increase.
At what voltage did it remain?


Is it possible there's a dead spot in my throttle?
Anything is possible. Electrically I can't really account for that. But a slipping magnet perhaps? Replacing the throttle is certainly an option to try.


would using an LED to monitor brake signal be easy to rig up?
Depends on if you are using High or Low brake...
If High and you have a taillight, just look at it. Or an LED with the proper voltage wired to the brake signal.

Low, is taking a pullup voltage signal of around 3vdc to ground. This would be more difficult for a tattle tale light. Or you could just read this with a meter.

That said, I would probably want to read the input voltage to the throttle with the extra meter instead...
 
At what voltage did it remain?
Sorry, I do not remember. The only thing I remember was voltage on DMM did not change when I gave it more throttle. It happened very quickly and my primary focus was riding safely.

Replacing the throttle is certainly an option to try.
Just finished that. New throttle works (spins the rear wheel) on center stand. Raining now, no road test till rain stops (tomorrow).
 
It does not happen often, but seems to happen more often with a full battery. Throttle connector pins looked pristine unplugged. I never ride in the rain and the connectors are housed behind instrument panel covers so are well protected. I do not think intermittent wiring is an issue.

With a fully charged battery this morning, the controller fault LED did not flash. I then went for a 4 mile ride. At the end of the ride, as I made a left turn up a slight hill to the house, it happened. As I recall, I let off the throttle before the turn to let momentum carry the bike into the turn, then applied throttle to get the bike up the hill when the turn was completed. But there was no power when I applied throttle. I quickly glanced at the DMM and I think I saw 1.2 V with no power coming from the motor. By reflex, I rolled the throttle CCW then CW to get power back again.

I am thinking of setting up a Gopro to monitor the DMM and speedometer to record the next incident.

Hello, my controller has an overvoltage protection at 84v, my battery is 72v but when fully charged i have 84v. When i hit the throttle in full, after sometime it cuts me off. When my speedo shows less than 84v i am ok. (You might remember this from my thread). Maybe it has something to do with that?

Plus there is a chance that something is wrong with your throttle. You could buy cheaper ones from aliexpress to check them out.
Something like this for instance or Like this
I have tested both and were working for me.
 
Hello, my controller has an overvoltage protection at 84v, my battery is 72v but when fully charged i have 84v. When i hit the throttle in full, after sometime it cuts me off. When my speedo shows less than 84v i am ok. (You might remember this from my thread). Maybe it has something to do with that?

Plus there is a chance that something is wrong with your throttle. You could buy cheaper ones from aliexpress to check them out.
Something like this for instance or Like this
I have tested both and were working for me
After full throttle cutoff, does your scooter self reset afterwards of you have to recycle on/off switch? Sounds like the BMS is hitting LVC, shut down the battery to protect it. Have you wired up the V meter across your battery so you can see what the voltage sag is when it cuts off?

I have tested my 60V scooter on the center stand with various voltages. At 82V (24S LFP cells fully charged), scooter powers up but motor will not spin with throttle input- I suppose that's the controller protection mode at work? I settled on 22S LFP cells (around 73 to 74V fully charged, to have some safety margin)

I have wired in a new throttle but have not put many miles on it yet (been raining here). The problem is intermittent, difficult to diagnose. Suspected components are: throttle, connectors, wiring between throttle and controller. Last but not least, the controller itself.
 
After full throttle cutoff, does your scooter self reset afterwards of you have to recycle on/off switch? Sounds like the BMS is hitting LVC, shut down the battery to protect it. Have you wired up the V meter across your battery so you can see what the voltage sag is when it cuts off?
No, it goes to 58-59km/h and then its like it releases the throttle on its own and goes max to 55, after a while it will go again at 58-59 and resets to 55. This is till i get around 80v (from 84v - which i see on the speedo). No need to stop, turn off and then turn on again the scooter. I think it should be the overvoltage protection from my controller. If it was the relay, then the scooter would kill itself for protection, i would have to stop, turn on the relay and then keep going (but this has to do with how many amps it draws, right?) plus if it was drawing too much power from the battery it would burn the fuse of the battery (i opened inside and i can see there is an 80A fuse).
I just bought this and this, so i can monitor my battery and have a switch to open it only when i want to measure something.

I have tested my 60V scooter on the center stand with various voltages. At 82V (24S LFP cells fully charged), scooter powers up but motor will not spin with throttle input- I suppose that's the controller protection mode at work? I settled on 22S LFP cells (around 73 to 74V fully charged, to have some safety margin)
I strongly believe that 82v are over the upper limit of your controller, so that is why it does not run. Smart move to go max 73-74v, somewhere there is the limit of your controller and that is why it runs.

I have wired in a new throttle but have not put many miles on it yet (been raining here). The problem is intermittent, difficult to diagnose. Suspected components are: throttle, connectors, wiring between throttle and controller. Last but not least, the controller itself.

Problems that could be causing this:

*Throttle itself — cracked Hall sensor, water ingress, or unstable 5V/GND line.
→ Let’s see how the new throttle performs and go from there.

**Throttle wiring or connectors — corroded pins, loose crimps, or bad solder joints.

***Controller input circuit — filtering capacitors or a faulty ADC (Analog-to-Digital Converter).
→ Remember when I mentioned in my thread that I replaced the capacitors in my controller? I noticed a big difference in torque afterward. If your controller has degraded caps or a damaged input stage, it could be interfering with signal reading. Hopefully, past overvoltage didn’t fry anything.
You could open the controller and inspect for signs of stress, corrosion, or burned components.

****Overvoltage protection — the controller may be cutting off throttle input when it sees a voltage spike from full charge or regen braking.

*****Environmental stress — does the issue happen more after heat buildup, vibration, or under high-load conditions?

Suggestions:

*Use a multimeter to test the throttle:
Red = 5V
Black = GND
Green = Signal (should smoothly ramp from ~0.8V to 4.2V as you twist)

**If the range is correct → throttle is likely good

***If the signal jumps, cuts out, or drops → possible internal short or bad cap in the controller
****Wiggle the wiring harness while monitoring voltage — check for dead spots or interruptions
*****Watch out for water — especially in cheaper throttles or open connectors

Personally, I won't even rinse my scooter until I’ve heat-shrunk and sealed every exposed connection. Too risky. These things aren’t waterproof out of the box.
 
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