Unsane's Hadron

unsane

100 mW
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A couple of months ago I asked the forum for some advice on an e-bike setup, mostly due to the fact that I have very limited electronics knowledge (notwithstanding 15 years in the automotive industry working as a mechanic and master technician) I had spend many evenings searching through the ES forum but all the talk of 2806, mosfets and shunting seemed a little overwhelming for me - especially as I am the kind of person who prefers to know the why as well as the how.

But, just as many of my automotive clients had relied on my own experience and knowledge when it came to modifying their car, I ended up talking to Hyena. After test riding one of his creations and discussing my project in depth, I was convinced that Jay knew his stuff, was honest, down to earth and trustworthy - ordering his 72v Hadron kit shortly after.

The bike prior to ebike-afication - used for a combination of onroad/offroad/commuting/thrashing etc
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After a short but unavoidable delay due to OS parts deliveries, I headed over to the Hyena's place last weekend and after a bench test demo on the kit setup and operation I raced home and spent the rest of the day installing the kit onto my Trek 4900 hardtail.... which is now an absolute f%@king weapon. Jay has de-tuned the kit slightly as I did not want a vented hub motor (for rainy, muddy and dusty riding) but still this bike is dangerous in the wrong hands!!!

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Launch is quite controllable due to the tyre/wheel size and my weight - acelleration is fast and linear up to 60kph but if I take off with hard pedalling I am hitting 60 in about 4 to 5 seconds. Top speeds so far is 76kph on a dead flat road and 87kph on a mild downhill, but the sweet spot is found when you snap the throtle open at around 30kph.

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The battery is supported by a marine plywood base, coach bolted into a steel bracket - generous lashings of gaffer tape ensure everything stays where it is suposed to. The controller lives underneath and the whole unit will be encapsulated in a fibreglass faring shortly - with ducting to keep the controller cool

I upgraded the crappy single piston Hayes Sole brakes to twin piston Avid Elixirs recently (185 front & 160 rear) and thank god I did - stopping a 36kg bike and 120kg rider from almost 90kph is a pretty mean feat - I dont know how you guys with v-brakes are still alive!!! The rear caliper still has heaps of clearance to the motor but the GM spin-on adapter places the rotor way to close... will have to get one made that places the rotor another 15mm out

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After trying to fit 3 switches, twist throttle, CycleAnalyst, lights, 2 brake levers and 2 shifters and a bell all onto the one handlebar, frustration and impatience took over so I ditched the bell and put some old bike parts to use and build this dual-bar setup. Like it or hate it, this setup works perfectly and everything has a place - I just hope I never go endo whilst holding onto the lower grips ~SNAP~

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So from here on it, my priorities are to get the rear brake happening, lose as much of the gaffer tape as possible and make the fibreglass faring - then strips it all down and paint it.


Massive credit to Hyena for his know-how and connections + a big thanks to everyone who has ever posted something useful on the ES forums
 
Good work and one of the best looking tape job around.

Just a couple of things:
1. Some of those tape ends will come loose, especially the small pieces at the front and the one on the left side ending in the forward direction. For the last layer it's best to try to do it in as few pieces of tape as possible, with the end(s) somewhere out of the wind or with the end toward the rear.

2. The axles nut relies on surface area contact to avoid loosening. Lug nuts are great, but they need to mate to an angled surface at the hole like on a car rim to take advantage of their design. Below is a pic of the nuts that come with my emoto hubmotors, and I believe they are ideal in our use. The toothed face really grabs the metal, and the face being larger than the nut give it more leverage to resist turning. It works especially well with my homemade dropouts that have a rough surface, no washers or torque arms, just the nut tightened down on the thick steel dropouts. I'm using high power and regen which puts alternating twisting forces on the axle, and in 2 years I've never had nut so much as budge. There are very good arguments that its the nut that bears much of the load to prevent the axle from spinning in the dropouts. Especially with fairly thin torque arms and high power, a nut that locks on well is important.

John
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Glad you're happy with it. It looks good so far but will look really sweet once you have the FG enclosure sorted!

The twin handlebars is a bit of a new concept, an extension of my blue bike with 2 lots of brakes levers :lol:
Another option which I've played around with and might suit you is fitting a time trial type U bar add on.

Eg something like THIS
You could mount the CA on the end facing back towards you or the lights pointing forward, and switches on the side pieces.

I didnt realise you were 120kg - I guess that's light by American standards :p but that's alot of momentum you're carrying and 87km/hr is nuts! Take it easy mate!
 
I honestly dont know as Hyena assembled the battery pack/BMS for me... Jay can you answer this question?
 
The pack is made from 12ah headway cells - 24 in series.
The BMS is a capacitor transfer type.
I didn't say it was a Lyen controller :p
 
Sorry if you like them but the twin handlebars were severely modded today :shock: they are now about 100mm each side and look like those dumb arse fixed wheel courier bike handlebars - they hold the CycleAnalyst and the Nitelight now and thats all!!!


Thanks for filling in the blanks Jay - I know you didnt say it was a Lyen controller... but I saw this before and it looks the same :lol:

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So Cam, how's the bike going mate ? :wink:
I'm starting to think some of my "riding" style is rubbing off on the kits I make... :lol:
 
Hyena said:
I'm starting to think some of my "riding" style is rubbing off on the kits I make... :lol:

Very much so! My shoulder is getting better after the "40kph flip" so whilst I am unable to ride I decided to take some time and neaten up all the wiring, install the new BMS, make a new acrylic cover for the frame, paint a few things.... or maybe start transferring the gear onto my new project

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