Headway Headquarters, Any Good?

Anyone have good experience with these folks? They are in the USA, assembling packs from headways. Their prices are comparable to pings, and IMO these packs would be easier to repair if a cell fails, since they are screw tops.
What do ya think?

Actually they are more expensive than pings, but the higher discharge rate and reliability may be worth the extra dough.

Customer service is good and courteous. I've been told that others here have dealt with them.
So, would you guys say the packs are well assembled? Good BMS?

I'm curious too. I ordered a headway pack from bmsbattery.com a month ago and they still haven't shipped it, so hopefully HH is legit and does a good job supplying us!

You pay a high price though... $670 for a 48v10ah headway pack including charger and shipping... compared to $375 from bmsbattery or from contacting headway reps via alibaba.

Good selection and prices on bms though...

I'm nervous from ordering from anyone in the states after the evcomponets debacle, but there really is a good market for headway since they slightly higher c-rate than pouch lifepo4, easier maintenance, and lower costs.

I wish them good luck!

http://stores.headway-headquarters.com/-strse-template/about/Page.bok

They all float in the same boat.....

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

I can't remember, which stores came out of that, one was good guys (with Travis-frodus, and Manzinita Mirco, and Otar the AmpZilla guy), one was guys who stole the gear other people had paid for and not received from the EV components debacle. If I remember right, Headways Headquarters was the corrupt scammers (the old EV components accountants or something), but I'm not 100% on it.

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

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There seemed to actually be a couple front websites selling that stock..... pouring salt in the wound of an already shameful blow to the ev community.

Not sure what the final thoughts were on it, but there is a thread on DIYEC about them:
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/headway-headquarters-warning-50912.html
a google on their name finds various discussions.

liveforphysics said:

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

I can't remember, which stores came out of that, one was good guys (with Travis-frodus, and Manzinita Mirco, and Otar the AmpZilla guy), one was guys who stole the gear other people had paid for and not received from the EV components debacle. If I remember right, Headways Headquarters was the corrupt scammers (the old EV components accountants or something), but I'm not 100% on it.

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LFP, you are incorrect, Headway Headquarters are not corrupt scammers. We never had or have anything from EVC except for bad memories and experiences like many others.

auraslip said:

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

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There seemed to actually be a couple front websites selling that stock..... pouring salt in the wound of an already shameful blow to the ev community.

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The only thing I know of about the whereabouts of the EVC inventory and assets that we feel is rightfully owned by the customers that are due money or inventory is that it was ordered to be turned over to the custody of the courts in November of 2010. That is all we know since we are not a party in all of that mess.

Ypedal said:

http://stores.headway-headquarters.com/-strse-template/about/Page.bok

They all float in the same boat.....

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Ypedal, you had even checked in on us with Headway China to ensure that we were legit, we are not all in the same boat, I do not even know who "all" is, we are definitely in a boat by ourselves!

I'm not going to get into a debate here, I don't want to, don't see a need for it, and that is not what I feel these forums are for. Even after posting relevant information here on ES, my other account had a ban issued on my old user name. After this post, I would hope not, but it would not surprise me if I once again receive this notification while signing in with my current user name "A ban has been issued on your username." I truly hope that this will not be the case.

Hopefully in time, most here will see that Headway Headquarters is legit, and that we do do what we say we do, and that we provide customer service in the same fashion that we would want and expect to receive customer service. Also I am looking forward to the day that those who have purchased various items and battery packs will post their experience with us here, one already has and we appreciate it. I encourage saying things, no matter if you have a good or poor experience, but to not have any experience or simply to pass on idle talk from others who have no experience in dealing with us, then to me that shows that persons character.

I am available to be contacted if you want! No need to be tacky and post up information, the website links are already here compliments of the OP.

Jim Delgado

I suppose you could post some pictures of your inventory with the date codes to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're new recently made cells....
Also some pics of your battery packs so we can get a good look at how you build your packs and the quality..
we love battery porn here

BTW thanks for the pm. I corrected my last post with the pricing.

Jim - For all I know, you could be as pure as the wind driven snow.


However, I think the controversy that I saw, was the registered domain owner of Headways headquarters was listed as the same owner of EVC's website, and HH appeared right after the collapse of EVC and after all that product went missing, and you guys as a new startup listed having/selling much of the identical inventory that was owed to the courts.

Could just be my misunderstand and/or coincidence? We've had a thread here where it showed the registered domain owners of like 4 different Headways sellers that all listed the same owner as the EVC site, and all sprang up right after the EVC collapse. I don't quite remember where Headways Headquarters was at in that, and if you're not part of that (the site history is easy enough to trace and prove), then I sincerely apologize for having confused you with some of the other sites.

PS: I used to work as MS near Issaquah, and met many of the EVC staff down in Olympia when they were just getting started and sh*t hadn't hit the fan yet. If you went to the occasional EV meeting in the NW, its likely we may have met.

Registrant:
Contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA

Domain name: HEADWAY-HEADQUARTERS.COM


Administrative Contact:
contactprivacy.com, headway-headquarters.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457

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It could be totally common, but do businesses owners usually register sites through a third party site to hide their contact information?

Also here is the link to the original thread http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=22230
Here is jims deposition to the court http://www.oqo.com/support/drivers/temp/scan/

Sucks that there is so much drama! If I were in your shoes I'd be so disheartened I'd just shut down! Or I'd stop selling headways for awhile and move on to some other battery type.

Good luck with your business and I hope every thing clears up!

BTW, I'd be pretty easy to clear the air here with some photos of fresh cells, pack builds, and other stuff. Maybe even posts some invoices from headway. Not trying to accuse you of anything. I just think it'd be a good way to clear the air of any doubts! At any rate I'd be cool to see some professionally built headway packs!

auraslip said:

BTW, I'd be pretty easy to clear the air here with some photos of fresh cells, pack builds, and other stuff. Maybe even posts some invoices from headway. Not trying to accuse you of anything. I just think it'd be a good way to clear the air of any doubts! At any rate I'd be cool to see some professionally built headway packs!

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+1

Nothing shuts us up here quicker than some cold hard data. Until then it is just speculation and remembering how burned people got from this whole debacle.

Prove us wrong. Otherwise you will get nothing but flak on this board.

JimmieD said:

liveforphysics said:

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

I can't remember, which stores came out of that, one was good guys (with Travis-frodus, and Manzinita Mirco, and Otar the AmpZilla guy), one was guys who stole the gear other people had paid for and not received from the EV components debacle. If I remember right, Headways Headquarters was the corrupt scammers (the old EV components accountants or something), but I'm not 100% on it.

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LFP, you are incorrect, Headway Headquarters are not corrupt scammers. We never had or have anything from EVC except for bad memories and experiences like many others.

auraslip said:

Is the the place selling all the EV-components stock that was owed to the customers that bought it?

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There seemed to actually be a couple front websites selling that stock..... pouring salt in the wound of an already shameful blow to the ev community.

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The only thing I know of about the whereabouts of the EVC inventory and assets that we feel is rightfully owned by the customers that are due money or inventory is that it was ordered to be turned over to the custody of the courts in November of 2010. That is all we know since we are not a party in all of that mess.

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Yet, I checked, and your site registrar history (currently blank) shows your site is owned by the former accountant for EV-Components. (from the log and the court documents for the name)

You personally worked for EV-Components. (which doesn't necessarily mean you did anything wrong, but does make the association)



This is a quote from Dave Kois:

"Headway Headquarters is Registered to Patricia Kilby/ Rose and a # of other aliases and is being run by her and her boyfriend Jim Delgado. They were working with or helping James Morrison up until at least Oct.25, 2010 by their own admission in court documents. They were selling and shipping Headway batteries in Oct. but did not make a purchase from Headway until the first week of Nov. when they purchased 200 cells. Are they legit ? I'll let you make up your own mind. "



I think it's reasonable for folks to have a little concern. Maybe there is something you could show us to ease these concerns?

LFP, totally understand the confusion and also the still bad feelings and resentment that is out there.

Would have liked to have met you, but I moved to Washington from California a year ago yesterday, so probably wasn't around here when you were here. Great destruction and other cool vids on YouTube BTW! I may not post much here, but I do enjoy gaining knowledge and seeing all that a lot on here do! Everything from "seeing what is inside a Headway cell" to DrBass's late night -32*C rides to Ypedals all electric gardening equipment!

auraslip said:

I suppose you could post some pictures of your inventory with the date codes to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're new recently made cells....
Also some pics of your battery packs so we can get a good look at how you build your packs and the quality..
we love battery porn here

BTW thanks for the pm. I corrected my last post with the pricing.

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No worries, you are welcome! Here are some pics I just took, Headway doesn't have a "born on date" but I put a date and name up in the pics along with a closeup of one of the 10Ah cells serial numbers. Also some chargers and some BMS's and 2 battery packs that I am currently building for a member here on ES with a 50A/100A BMS w/LED's from the same OEM as SignaLab brand.

I agree, people have do have a substantial reason to be concerned. Yes, my wife was the accountant at EVC and opened Headway-Headquarters under her name. Never denied that. There are some people out there that have such a strong dislike for us because we would not 'go along' with them, and who in their right mind would after they trashed us and said a ton of horrible things about us and to us, slammed, belittled and put their own twist on things. We steered clear and ran like the wind away from all that drama. Picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off and are moving forward. It was and still is just a very sad situation for so many, and there is still so much distrust and resentment which is the reason why we are going to let our actions speak for us in the way that we (Patricia and I) conduct business.

auraslip said:

Also some pics of your battery packs so we can get a good look at how you build your packs and the quality..
we love battery porn here

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To take auraslip's suggestion, here are some pics of a 72V20Ah battery pack that I finished last week

auraslip said:

Registrant:
Contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA

Domain name: HEADWAY-HEADQUARTERS.COM


Administrative Contact:
contactprivacy.com, headway-headquarters.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457

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It could be totally common, but do businesses owners usually register sites through a third party site to hide their contact information?

Also here is the link to the original thread http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=22230
Here is jims deposition to the court http://www.oqo.com/support/drivers/temp/scan/

Sucks that there is so much drama! If I were in your shoes I'd be so disheartened I'd just shut down! Or I'd stop selling headways for awhile and move on to some other battery type.

Good luck with your business and I hope every thing clears up!

BTW, I'd be pretty easy to clear the air here with some photos of fresh cells, pack builds, and other stuff. Maybe even posts some invoices from headway. Not trying to accuse you of anything. I just think it'd be a good way to clear the air of any doubts! At any rate I'd be cool to see some professionally built headway packs!

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Not too sure about the privacy thing, I'll see what I can do to get it removed or whatever needs to be done to show that my wife was the one that set-up and owns the domain name. Thanks for the well wishes, and not sure if they are 'professionally built' but they are built how I would build them if I was making them for myself!

Have you found maxifuses rated at 72 or more volts?

Alan B said:

Have you found maxifuses rated at 72 or more volts?

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Hi Alan, yes. http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse-Automotive-Blade-Fuse-FK3-MAXI-80V.pdfhttp://www.littelfuse.com/products/...=Part&NttP=fk3+maxi+style+blade+fuse&Compare= bottom of page.

JimmieD said:

Alan B said:

Have you found maxifuses rated at 72 or more volts?

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Hi Alan, yes.

http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse-Automotive-Blade-Fuse-FK3-MAXI-80V.pdf

http://www.littelfuse.com/products/...=Part&NttP=fk3+maxi+style+blade+fuse&Compare= bottom of page.

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Great, 80V maxifuses. Good find. Seems like I found those at one point and then couldn't find them again.

How expensive is shipping on the Headway cells?

Alan B said:

Great, 80V maxifuses. Good find.

How expensive is shipping on the Headway cells?

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BTW, had to get into the accounting system, we get them from here http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Pages/index.aspx part number 166.6885.5401 They are pretty pricey, but when you need 'em, you need 'em!

Depends on the qty of course! But for an example a qty of 24 to my old postal code in San Jose, CA, it would be approximately $25. (We have UPS haz-mat class 9 shipping req. are already figured into cost of cells) Any other pricing, I would feel better to receive PM's since this is not a 'For Sale' thread, don't want to go against forum rules! 8)


*Edit: Part number was wrong, was for sample of 40A, the 50A 80V fuse ends in .5501 for part number

very nice!
I love how you take care of the bms. Mounting it in clear plastic like that means you can see it, and the stand offs and screws make it easy to remove for testing and repair. Much better than wrapping it in clear tape and clear plastic wrapping. It doesn't get air flow that way, and is a bitch to remove for repair and even more of a pain to put it all back together.

What gauge of wire do you use for the main leads and the sense cables? It's cool that you actually build these packs yourself, so when you answer these questions you can be like, "Let me talk you ear off about how I made this."

auraslip said:

very nice!
I love how you take care of the bms. Mounting it in clear plastic like that means you can see it, and the stand offs and screws make it easy to remove for testing and repair. Much better than wrapping it in clear tape and clear plastic wrapping. It doesn't get air flow that way, and is a bitch to remove for repair and even more of a pain to put it all back together.

What gauge of wire do you use for the main leads and the sense cables? It's cool that you actually build these packs yourself, so when you answer these questions you can be like, "Let me talk you ear off about how I made this."

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Thank-you for the compliments!

I figured if Headway cells have the screw tops for easier replacement of bad cells, then the rest of the pack made with them should have the same 'feature'. After looking at many different battery packs and builds, from the example that you gave, to seeing the inside of a Headway battery case and the way the cells were put together (I have a real distaste for yellow film tape!), I felt the same way. All needed to be accessible in case of repair, and to make it simple (least amount of connections as possible) yet as nice looking as I could come up with for now and still stay within a reasonable price when compared to purchasing from overseas after shipping and such.

I use 12AWG or 8AWG for the load (depending if it is a 24V pack or higher, and the estimated amperes it is going to pull), due to the specs on the BMS, I use 14AWG for charging and the wire harness/sense wires from the BMS is 20AWG. I use a fuse dependent upon voltage and amperes along with Anderson 45A-PP, 50A-SB or 75A-PP connectors depending on the connection that is required. If using Headway spacer blocks, then I use the nickle plated copper connection plates from Headway, and if I need to make a connection plate, I use .031 C11000 copper sheet metal manufactured to ASTM B-152.

What's the price on the fuses ?

999zip999 said:

What's the price on the fuses ?

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Send me a PM please, cannot go against forum rules and post prices outside the 'Sellers' area, sorry.