Another downside of prebuilt EVs that do massive data collection/spying..
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Chalo
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If you buy an extreme chump car, expect to be treated like an extreme chump.
Superb_Raccoon
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Which one do you have?
LewTwo
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CyberTruck (aka ugliest production vehicle on the road) ?
Superb_Raccoon
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Oh? Did they finally scrap the last Pontiac Aztec?
Chalo
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Since I inherited taxi driver duties for my little household, it's been a 1990 Honda Accord coupe. It cost me $200 plus the annoyance and parts cost to make it run reliably. At least it doesn't leak or smoke after over 260k miles.
I look forward to not needing it anymore. My honey is soon getting a godawful fat ass Detroit SUV with an automatic transmission she can operate herself, even with a brain injury. I'm not looking forward to feeding it, but I'll be glad to not have to drive it.
No, but it looks kind of beautiful now, compared to ekhm, some desirable EV models.
afzal
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Couldn't resist re-posting the link:
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/p...t-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
slaphappygamer
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Kind of why I loathe app-reliant product that need the user to register an account. I go out of my way to avoid anything like that. I hacked my Nintendo Switch and Nintendo banned me. Just the way I like it. I swear, game consoles (or any of the hundreds of “PC game launchers”) are really bad too.
I'd be afraid to drive a certain type of car for that reason - the car records everything and reports it to the producer, and then the producer is free to withhold or manipulate the information to shift the blame in case of an accident . Or just turn the owner in to the police/insurance company. Who can prove they had their hands on steering wheel or were not distracted if the car says otherwise?
Chalo
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I really don't understand why the demand for a basic basic car (and electric propulsion takes away pretty much every impediment to being basic basic) doesn't motivate any car company to serve it. Are people really so dazzled by BS "features" that they wouldn't prefer a much cheaper, much more reliable, much lower maintenance and much easier to own car?
I don't think an electric car needs to be intentionally more complicated or luxurious than a portapotty. Stronger, sure. More crash resistant, definitely. But I don't want more parts than necessary, more functions than the minimum, or more than the most basic comforts-- if those things cost money, maintenance, lifespan. And they do, on all counts.
I don't think an electric car needs to be intentionally more complicated or luxurious than a portapotty. Stronger, sure. More crash resistant, definitely. But I don't want more parts than necessary, more functions than the minimum, or more than the most basic comforts-- if those things cost money, maintenance, lifespan. And they do, on all counts.
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It's not about what people want. It's about what nets a higher margin for the company. Adding all those BS features jacks it up into a higher price category, regardless of whether people want it. And when said BS features don't actually cost proportionally more to add to the base model, why not add them, and jack up the MSRP? The companies get a higher profit that way. They won't get as high of a profit from a bare-bones, basic, small EV with like a 100-150-mile range, because it won't net them nearly as much profit.
There's an article I read, I wish I could find it again. But the TLDR is that it cost the "same" to design and manufacture either a small car or a large car. Regardless of ICE vs EV. Both still have 4 wheels, a transmission, bodywork, engine, ect. And of course it costs more in materials and time to make a giant SUV compared to a modest simple sedan half its size. But does it cost twice as much to produce? Definitely not. So manufacturers favor production of SUVs and trucks because they can load them up with touchscreens, features, heated seats and the like, and charge $60k for it. Compared to the $20-30K of the small care. They make a much better profit off the big car and its big price tag.
Again, I apologize that I can't find the article that I read a month or so ago that demonstrates the point much better than I am doing. Maybe someone else reading the post can knows which one it is and can link it.
Yeah, they cost your money, which you're paying directly or indirectly to the car industry. And if you're not buying them, someone else is... especially if that's the only option available.
- USA govt requires a buttload of stock electronics/software, so adding spy tech and a lot of other gadgets isn't many additional steps
- Consoomer won't buy such a car, they want a big one, to participate in the mass wars on the road
- Automakers make way less margin when they could sell an overpriced big honker instead, so they're not incentivized to sell such cars
- Automakers have stock owners whipping them
I'm so sad they cancelled the Mazda 2 here due to poor sales. When i bought mine, they were on fire sale.
LewTwo
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Sounds a lot like my rants about silly smartass phones. The only function that I want of my phone is that it function as a phone for voice communications. I despise the things and especially text messages and 'automated' voice menu systems. Damned few do that as well as an old fashioned Maw Bell desk phone. I have a smartass phone because living in our current society requires it.
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