anybody tried CFL bulbs for bike lights?

monster

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hi

i usually use MR16's and they are good but the contacts seem to brake too often. anyone else have this problem? i use PVC pipe to make my bulb holders.

any how, i was wondering what the other options were. does anyone use CFL's on a bike? im really impressed with them in the house. ever since i got my home energy meter i was really noticing the 5x efficiency bonus.
 
Not using CFLs, but I *am* using Cold Cathode Fluorescents for my headlights. They work great for high-brightness low-throw wide-area frontal illumination, making me highly visible to anyone coming towards me, and making it very easy for me to see the entire area in front of me and to the sides of the direction I'm travelling.

They are unmodified (electrically, anyway) computer image scanner backlight units for scanning in transparencies, negatives, and slides. Both of these are from HP scanners, but I have others that work equally well from other brands. I've only broken one bulb so far, and that was during modification. Even in crashes I didn't break one yet. I *did* burn out one of the inverters on one by accidentally hooking the battery up backwards, before I started using "keyed" spades on the old 12V7Ah SLA I used to use for the lighting power (keyed by filing one battery tab down a little and using a narrower female spade on that side). Now they run off the "bottom" battery in the traction pack, taking about 1.2A total at the 13.5-ish volts it's nominally at.

One of the lights is on my bars, so it also lights up the whole front end of the bike really well, making it obvious I'm a bicycle at night to anyone paying attention to my pedalling. :) As well as making the whole thing far more visible. The other one is right above the front wheel, a couple feet or so farther forward.

You can see them even in daylight.
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that's really inovative, i never would have thought of that. why did you pick scanner bulbs? is it because they were CFL's that work at 5v usb voltage?

i'm sticking to MR16's for now but i've improved the holders slightly.
 
I would think CFL's would break apart even more easily than MR16's. Thats a neat idea on the scanner lighting. I never would have thought of that.
 
These actually are made for 12V input rather than 5V. But you could use any input voltage as long as you power them with that voltage. Some are 9V, some 12V. I have a Toshiba one somewhere that is a 24V input, and is about 15" long by 8" wide! But it takes about 4 or 5 amps, and that's way more than I want to use--my motor doesn't take much more than that while cruising at speed!

I picked these CCFL scanner lights because I had them :) and because I already knew they could light up a room, or at least part of one, very well. I've used one identical to the square front one as my over-bed reading light for several years, before I ever started this crazy bike project. Even with one of it's two L_shaped bulbs broken, it puts out enough light that I have to squint a tiny bit to look straight at it from a foot away, even after staring at my 19" LCD with a mostly-white screen, when those two things are my only light sources in the room.

So I knew it would be bright enough to let me *be seen*, which was my major goal, and it'd let me see around me clearer than just a narrow-focused flashlight, at least for stuff within a few yards, which was my minor goal.

I started out using just the longer one, on the DayGlo Avenger upright bike, with a second one on the rear with some red stage gels on it for a taillight. Later I got the LEDs you see on the ends of it, installed them, along with red ones in back; they're my turn signals and marker lights for side visibility. I changed the rear one to a brake light isntead of just a taillight, after I got the red marker LEDs in there. Unfortunately CCFLs don't light up fast enough and have a few seconds warm up to get bright, so they don't make good non-steady lights. ;) I replaced the whole rear assembly with LEDs shortly after.

But as a headlight, they do a dang good job for close-up work, and are highly visible without being blinding, unlike LED and other types of lights--mostly because I'm not *trying* to get a focused spotlight; I'm trying to make a large-surface-area white light to make me visible from farther away, to give people more time to react to me.

Since I ride in the city, most of the places I go have decent street lighting, so I can already see what's around me well enough without a searchlight up front. :) It's just the close-up stuff right next to me and right in front of my tire that I need to see better, and these do that very well.


Now, the catch is, they *are* thin glass bulbs--about like having a foot-long glass thermometer shape inside that plastic box. So they will break easier with abuse. So far, I havent' had that happen, even when I've laid down the DayGlo Avenger in skids/etc. Ripped the LEDs off the end once, but didn't break the bulb. They are generally anti-vibration mounted already, because those scanner enclosures are designed for the average consumer who is going to drop the thing at least once during it's life, because it has to be handled all the time to be used.

If you were to take bulbs out of just a regular scanner, rather than the transparency adapters that go on top of them, they might not hold up as well, because their end-mounts aren't usually designed to be as shock-absorbing. Can be fixed, but gotta be careful.
 
I saw some of the CFL mr16 type bulbs at the store today. They are appealing because they are a third the cost of the LED ones. I didn't know those CFL ones existed. I think those are what monster was asking about. If the scanner stuff holds up, those mr16 type CFLs probably will as well.
 
monster said:
does anyone use CFL's on a bike?

I don't use them on a bike per se, but I have a trike/trailer rig I built to carry my wife while she conducts her marching band. I set up six clamp lights with CFLs to illuminate the band, the flagpole on the trailer, and of course the conductor. When I ride this rig to and from events, I turn around the conductor's foot light and put in a red CFL, and I rotate the flagpole light to face forward. Depending on the traffic situation, I sometimes leave the side lights running too.

I plug all the lights into an inverter that draws from a 12V motorcycle or RV battery, depending on the length of the event and whether there are other devices like amplifiers that need 120V AC power.

Here's a video still of that trailer on its first outing, with lights on my wife but none on the trailer (yet):
MinorMishapMarchingBand_datri.jpg


Chalo
 
way cool.

the ccfl are also used for backlighting on your computer screen.

you can find them on ebay too, use a dcdc converter from your bike pack down to the 12V they use or maybe the ccfl inverter itself could be hacked to run directly from full pack voltage since they themselves are buck upconverters to high voltage.
 
After I tested the idea, I forgot to post back in this thread a link to the thread where I found it does work, without an inverter!

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14193&start=0&hilit=cfl
 
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