Best DIY dc motors to keep an eye out for?

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I found this site http://www.electricscooterparts.com/motors36volt.html and a few other sites, they have DC motors for scooters from 24V, 36V, 48V and 60V plus the various parts needed for scooter applications. Then I went onto eBay, did a search and found a bunch of DC electric motors with various ratings of 1/2HP 1/3HP 1/4HP then theres some that are really low like 1/20HP 1/35HP. My question is what am I looking for on the motors tag - range of HP rating, DC Voltage Rating, and Amps. What are the best motors to take out of a tool or machine to use as an ebike motor, those would be AC needing a inverter to DC.
 
You're pretty much going to have to read up on how different kinds of motors work, and on other people's DIY projects using such salvaged motors, to get a feel for what you could use for your own. You'll also need to know what power levels you're going to need for what you want to do, and what kind of power source you're going to use to run them from.

For the latter you could decide the power source after you pick the motor, but most of the time you're constrained to some sort of limits with this kind of DIY that may well make it easier to pick the power source first and motor after, since motors are easy to find and power sources are not. ;)

Once you've got those two decided, then you can figure out what controller to buy or build.

Take a peek around my old Electricle blog, and my various older build threads here for some info and links.The various DIY EV sites, and web searches, will also help you find this info.
 
I have found a bunch of treadmill motors for sale at a reasonable price. The voltage looks scary at 110Vdc and around 20 Amps with a 2.5HP rating which works out to 1800W. I am really tempted and psyched to buy one of these, I bet the torque on them are crazy high. The RPM is around 7000.

How much can you over power these motors before they heat up?
What kind of controls do I need?

The price seems right for me, at a total cost of $75 delivered and customs.

What do you guys think?

Thanks
 
You can read of my experiments with them on my old http://electricle.blogspot.com
 
Oh I see, I read the first blog that came up, but I see the rest on the right hand side are yours as well. I got to get reading before I get me a treadmill motor.
 
Most likely it is a brushed DC permanent magnet motor, though some treadmills use series-wound "universal" motors that are either AC or DC--not permanent magnet, but using field coils instead. A very few that I've seen use AC-only motors with startup caps.

They are not usually very lightweight, nor small. Take a look on my Electricle blog for the treadmill motor posts for a few pics of the one I bench-tested on an early version of CrazyBike2's frame, using 3 car batteries in series. May also be some pics in my early page or two of my CrazyBike2 thread here on ES, and also pics of another larger heavier type in there from about two years ago? Maybe three. It's still in a treadmill in the pics.

Thing I liked at the time about treadmill motors is they are supposed to handle their rated power for a long time (all day, AFAIK) instead of being rated for bursts of power. But they often require fan cooling. Typically that's done by blades on the back of the flywheel/belt drive they often use to drive the big rollers for the treadmill belt itself that you walk on. On mine, I intended to overload it, more or less, so I figured out a way to put a car alternator's fan on there. There's better ways to do it and better fans, but I had one and it fit so I used it.

But since treadmill motors are high RPM, and need high voltage to get there, you end up with a more complicated system than using a low RPM motor that runs on low voltage...like a powerchair motor, whcih is what I eventually used for CB2 for that reason (and that it had a right-angle gearbox on it, which GREATLY simplified mounting!).

Someday I still want to use a treadmill motor to power a bike, essentially teh same mechanical way I started to with CB2.
 
Here's a link to one of my treadmill posts about the newer one, that I didn't ever get apart to test out:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=303915#p303915

I found a post where i concatenated a bunch of pics of parts of the drive system:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12553&p=187112

and another with more of thsoe pics
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=15764&p=234468

and another post had these links to my electricle project blog posts about it
http://electricle.blogspot.com/2009/01/motor-tests-mounted-on-crazybike-v20.html
http://electricle.blogspot.com/2009/01/motor-pulley-to-freewheel-and-sprockets.html
http://electricle.blogspot.com/2009/01/motor-demo-video-shaft-failure.html
http://electricle.blogspot.com/2009/02/first-ride-success-learned-from.html
 
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