Fibretech FlyPAN 2015 Dual Diag 12S

[Hightower]

Looks Like a really smooth deck, perfect for hitting those thrilling speeds!

I like the subtle curvature of it but does it have any kicktail to it? In my area, the roads get pretty beat up and a kicktail is a lifesaver.

Great artwork on that too, does it have a metallic or a reflective sheen to it?

Its funny, I used to worry about ruining the artwork of my deck with grinding and thrashing it up...
...now all I worry about is my electronics covering up the artwork!

 

[okp]

no kicktail, I may try to put this on a bargain twin tail deck, just to do some electric nose or tail manuals ! my actual upcoming deck on 10S is 8.3kg ready to ride.

 

[okp]

hey, just got 30 minutes to try the 10S double diagonal with 63mm motors. I have to say that this is brutal. But really brutal. I had no protections and just went for a 15km/h cruising, even less around my street... that's just crazy - I just can't imagine how it behaves in medium acceleration.

At some point I was even wondering if it was useful to have such mad power under your foot. You can win a dragster race with this !

I didn't ride agressively, just few smooth lines. I also put some 90A bushings... barrel + cone... but I think that 87A will be smoother on the cone. Maybe this is just because they are brand new as well as the truck and the wheels.

 

[Hightower]

Dude, i'm running a single 63mm at 10sand I can barely keep it underneath me!

There's so much torque that even at 10 mph it wants to lurch out from under me, hungry to chew up pavement.

I can't even imagine what Dual 63mm feels like!

Stay safe out there

 

[torqueboards]

I just started testing 12S. It's scary with the board no load. It whines so loud everyone is like what the heck. lol

I can only imagine on full throttle - haven't gotten use to it just yet.

Using (2) 5065 200kv motors works fine on 12S which is great.

 

[akiraEC]

Gosh ...
I might try a single 6364 before bying the second one !!

 

[okp]

yes, you really have to believe me ! I know that since my wrist injury (which is not related to eboarding ) I have been focusing on my new build; I also think that this is due to the fact that I didn't go on a DIY board for one month and you forget the importance of throttle which is with sensorless motor.. not smooth. The biggest difficulty with such "torque" setups is that you have to get a ultra precise throttle management and get focus on this... if you forgot it... this can lead you to serious issues.

I am riding eboards but with a longboarding/skate culture; which mean I like pushing a lot and get it easy on the throttle... but well to sum up; the biggest challenge of such setups is to get a ultra precise throttle management especially in the starts (and even you are already rolling fast without motors help)

I also noticed that one motor screw was getting unscrew when I came back at home; it was a really short ride hopefully... I will double check this as I thought I had put blue loctite everywere

controller is becoming (or it is already) key !

 

[akiraEC]

Yeah ...
I have great hope in the VESC controller from Vedder

 

[okp]

yes! by the way start your build thread !!!!! you already got the board :>

 

[beetbocks]

hey, just got 30 minutes to try the 10S double diagonal with 63mm motors. I have to say that this is brutal. But really brutal. I had no protections and just went for a 15km/h cruising, even less around my street... that's just crazy - I just can't imagine how it behaves in medium acceleration.

At some point I was even wondering if it was useful to have such mad power under your foot. You can win a dragster race with this !

I didn't ride agressively, just few smooth lines. I also put some 90A bushings... barrel + cone... but I think that 87A will be smoother on the cone. Maybe this is just because they are brand new as well as the truck and the wheels.

I did warn you mate!!! you wanted more power and you got it.......it feels like you have a loaded gun under you.. you will never use med acceleration...
you do get used to it..Honestly...lol..you scaredy cat!!! ....
maybe change to 8S?

 

[okp]

yes, such setup is ALL about the reliability of the transmitter and your ability to handle the throttle stick; everything happens at low speed or at least from 0 to 10kms... the ergonomics of the controller (and of course the human controlling it) is the becoming the central point of failure ! you can have a beast setup, but smooth... progressive...

here I am talking about a beast setup; but the hard way!

 

[akiraEC]

I don't really get it ...
If the ESC is driven by a microcontroller, isn't there a way to limit the acceleration to a given value (even if you crush the controller in your hand) ?
One could even think of having a different threshold for each speed ... allow more acceleration at low speed for example.

There should obviously be a smoothing around the threshold to prevent the acceleration to stop to quickly.

 

[okp]

I think this mainly depends on the ESC and the transmitter; when I was into RC car 1/8 or 1/10 tournaments, I was able to customise almost everything. I was running a Tekin ESC. I could litteraly change all the throttle curves in the software.

maybe this is possible on the Alien ESC but nothing is available on the ESC software which is kind of basic. If I am correct, on the nunchuck, the program integrated can be configured (you go into the code) to modify the curves and make it progressive.

another thing is the ability of the transmitters. You can program values/curves/thresholds on programmable transmitters. This is key on 3D RC helicopters as you mix things, to learn, or just to go inverted, You have the dual rate and even the throttle curve for example ... but nothing you can do on GT2B neither on the Alien ESC (as I know)

this is maybe doable on the Mamba XL ESC

 

[beetbocks]

we are looking at having some new ESC made...they will be far superior than previous... watch this space..

 

[okp]

great ! Alien ESC or VESC ?

if it's Alien, I hope I will get a replacement item + exchange for the new one (just kidding, well not totally !)
if it's VESC, already got mine being built !

 

[beetbocks]

well- guess where these supposivley open source ESC's are being manufactured.?? yes..Bruno's company... ..
so as you can imagine -ours will be better....

 

[okp]

really - it's a small world !

:lol:

 

[beetbocks]

i have also bought some G form pads and i intend to sew them into my new Hoodie. that's just arrived......i've always wanted to make an integrated garment and with this new G-form ..its now possible..

how are you doing with the LED programming?

 

[beetbocks]

FYI- Bruno has already written software that would completely improve the ESC but the company have the intellectual rights and wont let him access the firmware code... they are making a custom esc with power switch built in and all the features your talking about as he is such a good customer -it will be unique to him..

 

[okp]

your hoodie is great, looks great and I like the font used ! do you know when these new ESC will be available?

 

[beetbocks]

there super street style also...got a nice iphone pocket and earbud holders..pretty nice..
well as usual with these things its takes time..there in development/manufacture at the minute..

 

[Hightower]

This is confusing and I'm trying to follow....And slightly off topic as I really want to just see more about OKP's new build! :lol:

But....the Alien Drive ESC's that are In-development are the same as VESC but with a high amp on/off?

yes, such setup is ALL about the reliability of the transmitter and your ability to handle the throttle stick; everything happens at low speed or at least from 0 to 10kms... the ergonomics of the controller (and of course the human controlling it) is the becoming the central point of failure ! you can have a beast setup, but smooth... progressive...

I'm interested in finding a solution to this too.

 

[onloop]

well- guess where these supposivley open source ESC's are being manufactured.?? yes..Bruno's company... ..
so as you can imagine -ours will be better....

Brunos Company?.... you make it sound like he owns the joint...the name of the place is shenzen flier.. & honestly their ESC designs are not really what i class as top notch... i personally had to beg them to start using current limiting to prevent motors and contollers melting......from the last 40 of them i had about half fail..
.. the thing with bruno is he hasnt been on ES listening to what people want.... maybe he just reads everyones posts and never contributes? Who knows? .... i personally think APS is loosing touch with the eboard commmunity....NEWS FLASH: The VESC is here NOW....thanks to dexter, austin and mostly jacob it is a reality...it is an open source project and we can all work together to make it what we want it to be... so i dont think we have to imagine what bruno is going to do Anymore.... if anything he should ask the community what he should do...

 

[okp]

well this is totally on topic ! thanks guys for sharing all the information here as we are all passionnate and partly dedicated to this passion .

I will post my build later on this week

 

[onloop]

This is confusing and I'm trying to follow....And slightly off topic as I really want to just see more about OKP's new build! :lol:

But....the Alien Drive ESC's that are In-development are the same as VESC but with a high amp on/off

VeSC is open source anyone can grab it and make it.... i would not be suprised if you see 'copies' popping up all over the joint in the next few years.... they just might be crap Versions of the original. The vesc is fairly a complicated device...

The company that made the VESC BETA is shenzen flier. This is the same place that bruno buys he's ESC from. So does/did enertion, DIY electric skateboards & bubblegum...

During the last half of 2014 Jacob and I were both looking for factories to make the VESC for ourselves and other ES members who were keen.... i personally had quotes from several factories and one of them was Flier.

As it turned out jacob also got quotes and then decided to proceed with a quote from flier. We arent the type of people to sit around and do talking.... we prefer Doing...

anyway... I also had many request from the eboard commmunity to make the VESC a reality so we both teamed up and got as many pre-orders as we could...

Jacob and I already had an established working relationship with the team at flier and it made sense to proceed with their quote.

leading up to this point took months of hard work trying to get flier to understand what the VESC was all about and why we wanted it.... it wasnt easy....and not to mention trying to raise the capital to meet their minimum order qty so we could secure a decent price for everyone..... but jacob and i worked together well and made it happen.

The VESC is very different to all other esc on the market... it is designed by a guy called vedder.. hes goal was to make the best ESC available... we think he has made something very impressive... As Jacob and i both wanted to see hes design made to his high standards we insisted that it be made as intended by ben Using all of the quality parts as recommended.

This process has been very lengthy..

Jacob has recently spent many a long night working with the chief enginner at flier to ensure everything is perfect before shipping a small sample batch last week For us to do some real world testing..

without the community on ES this wouldn't have happened..