FLIGHT MH370, Missing JET

dingoEsride said:
Nehmo said:
Why do people strap explosives to their bodies and stand in populated area's, my experience with suicides is that they try to hurt as many people as possible and for the families and friends of the passengers not knowing what happened would hurt them more,


What's your experience with suicides? Were you a counselor or something?

No, I have zero experience in suicides but have known people who took their lives in the most hurt full ways, Karl my uncles best friend asked to see his rifle then asked for a round, loaded then then blew his head off in their lounge room with children in the house, his head was scraped from the ceiling and walls and chucked in the tip, Louse's husband asked for my mate Tony for car key's so he could run a hose from the exhaust pipe to the cab and asphyxiated himself on her birthday and there was young Josh who did himself in with a rope just before Xmas last year,
whether this pilot was deviant enough to carry this out his way is another story, maybe time will tell

There is a big difference between a suicide bomber and someone who commits suicide. I think it is wrong to conflate the two. The latter group are mentally unwell and want their torment to end.

The first group are cowards who cannot handle the fact that the entire world they have constructed is objectionably false. It's a reaction to the fact that they are incapable of accepting reality. Deep down they know that their constructed viewpoint is bullshit but they are unable to overtly realise this.

In denial, they lash out as they are unable to come to terms with the fact that the foundations of everything they believe is built on emptiness. In short, they are cowards that never came to terms with their own impotence.

Though terrorism comes disguised as morality it's actually got little to do with axiology. It's really an ontological failure rooted in a deeply biased epistemology that neglects to acknowledge, (or trivialises), rationalism and empiricism. If your entire universe is solipsistically created through constructivism it's easy to have warped beliefs.
 
Nehmo said:
But a suicide with the goal of being vanished is possible. But then there should be some evidence in the prior behavior of the pilot. Was either of their lives on the rocks? So far, the general public isn't getting much information on the pilots lives.
I am under the perception that Malaysia is a far more concertitive place and people don't open up as much as people do in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if the aircraft Captains wife would be very afraid of talking about what she thinks could of been going thruogh the mind of her husband in the fear of receiving a severe beating from police or some kind of acid attack being thrown into her face by a angry men on the street, for talking about her man.

For example the Malaysian opposition leader and previous Deputy Prime Minister of Malaysia was just jailed for a Sodomy attack for christs sake, I think we can't expect the same way of things happening over there compared to the western world because of their culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim
 
So today, the NEW satellite picture. The argument 'We already had a boat searching there at the time the picture was taken and it didn't find anything.'

It didn't find anything because the object in the picture WAS the boat. It's being talked about but not everyone involved in the search seems to be understanding that.
 
Dauntless said:
So today, the NEW satellite picture. The argument 'We already had a boat searching there at the time the picture was taken and it didn't find anything.

It didn't find anything because the object in the picture WAS the boat. It's being talked about but not everyone involved in the search seems to be understanding that.
Which boat are u talking about
 
More objects found in the area but no proven i.d. yet afaik,

The new French images come after the release of satellite images from China and Australia.

Authorities have begun a fourth day of sorties into the search zone, where they are now also searching for an object that China identified yesterday as being 22 metres long and 13 metres wide.

The object was spotted about 120 kilometres south-west of two possible objects seen on satellite images taken on March 16 and announced by the Australian Government on Thursday.

The Chinese satellite images were taken five days ago, on March 18, by the high-definition Earth observation satellite Gaofen-1.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-23/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-france-satellite-images/5339788
 
Oh just farkin wunderbar..... lol


Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html#ixzz2woeh6kRb
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html
 
Hillhater said:
I wonder if anyone pointed out that it was also carrying 100,000 + liters of highly flammable liquid aviation fuel ?

Ever just drop a lighted match into a coke can of Jet-A? Guess what happens? It goes out. (at room temperature and pressure)
 
If they start to run with the Lithium story Imma hurry up and order more lipos tomorrow from HK before shipping gets screwed up for them. lol
 
The fingers said:
The cargo included wooden pallets. They'll start washing up on shore months from now.

Which shore ?..Antartica ?
Even if it is some of the shoreline of southern Australia, they could lie there for 20 years an never be seen by a human.
Some very remote coast line down there.
More likely to be dredged up by one of the vast Russian factory "vacuum trawlers" that seem determined to filter every loose item out of the ocean.
 
rborger73 said:
If they start to run with the Lithium story Imma hurry up and order more lipos tomorrow from HK before shipping gets screwed up for them. lol
No no, no need to worry all the major news outlets are just digging at the bottom of the barrel because of the power of fear and mystery in the missing plane. All the news outlets are making a killing with three times the amounts of web clicks as the world wonders what's going on and they need to keep fuelling that fire, I guess this might be a great quarter for stock listed news companies maybe we should all buy shares :)

I love also the major cable news channels always make you feel as if you can just keep watching a breakthrough is just about to happen so stay tuned...
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/24/missing-malaysia-jetliner/6814799/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140324
 
bigmoose said:
Hillhater said:
I wonder if anyone pointed out that it was also carrying 100,000 + liters of highly flammable liquid aviation fuel ?

Ever just drop a lighted match into a coke can of Jet-A? Guess what happens? It goes out. (at room temperature and pressure)

As mentioned, jet fuel is NOT considered highly flammable, quite the opposite. I think it's actually considered 'Combustible.' Flashpoint 140 degrees, OSHA doesn't consider it a workplace hazard. Unlike gasoline. Especially that LITHIUM gasoline. (Ask Harold in CR.)

So the Hess Corporation is so safety conscious, and so aware of the reputation of ES, that they have RUSHED in with Material Safety Data Sheets on Jet Fuel. (I found them on Google, I know nothing, NOTHING about them.)

Here's what I THINK is the one for an airliner.
http://www.hess.com/docs/us-safety-data-sheets/jet-fuel-jp-5.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Here's some others on their site.

http://www.hess.com/sustainability/safety-health/safety-data-sheets

And here's their logo and a kewl image from their site.

logo_Hess.gif


workers-in-north-dakota.jpg
 
that picture is so bogus. i have been there and they don't look or act that stupid.


the autonomous underwater research/mapping drones are gonna shine on this job. it has all the notoriety, they are the only thing that can function since the seas will be too rough for towed drones. winter is starting a month from now, it will be gale force for 6 months, but the big research ships may be able to lauch the drones if they don't have to be towed. jmho.
 
dnmun said:
that picture is so bogus. i have been there and they don't look or act that stupid.


the autonomous underwater research/mapping drones are gonna shine on this job. it has all the notoriety, they are the only thing that can function since the seas will be too rough for towed drones. winter is starting a month from now, it will be gale force for 6 months, but the big research ships may be able to lauch the drones if they don't have to be towed. jmho.

Actually Winter starts in June in Australia and there is actually quiet long periods of fine weather on the West Coast between the occasional storm front (I actually live in Perth) either way recovering anything thats going to let the investigators know what caused the crash
will be a time consuming and expensive operation...

I'm thinking an on board fire is the most likely explanation and oil rig worker reportedly saw a plane fly over head
with alot of flames coming from i in the reported flight path of MH370...There was a previous case of on-board fire caused by
low inflated tires taking off on hot airstrip in humid conditions, the tire smokes knocks out the passengers and crew
the plane flies till it runs out of fuel...pilot suicide or a terrorist attack is a long shot, the Gubmint was feeding
the victims IMO because they had no frocking idea what had happened and needed to give the people something..

However it happened its a bloody tragedy so many innocent lives lost...hasnt done much for my piss scared fear of flying either
just quietly


KiM
 
I was looking forward to when they find the flightbox recorder because it would hold a lot of detail of what happened.
But I am stunned to hear that its got a recording loop limit of just 50mins...So it will only contain data going back 50mins before the crash and the more interesting stuff that happened when the planes transponder was turned off etc just went it left Malayasian air space is forever lost.

I can't believe a $300million dollar aircraft only records the last 50mins of stuff before it gets looped.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Captain did it deliberately just to show how floored aircraft tracking/technology still is.
 
its terrible, They are now concluding that it crashed between 8:11am and 9:15am
it is horrific :(

I had hope they might find survivors on some island or wreckage..
Brings a cold chill down your spine...

I want to know what happened exactly, But its looking like the chances are very slim now.
 
nechaus said:
its terrible, They are now concluding that it crashed between 8:11am and 9:15am
it is horrific :(

I had hope they might find survivors on some island or wreckage..
Brings a cold chill down your spine...

I want to know what happened exactly, But its looking like the chances are very slim now.


I'm sure that there will be a plenty of subs in the area now. At the moment they haven't got alot more to do.
 
TheBeastie said:
I was looking forward to when they find the flightbox recorder because it would hold a lot of detail of what happened.
But I am stunned to hear that its got a recording loop limit of just 50mins...So it will only contain data going back 50mins before the crash and the more interesting stuff that happened when the planes transponder was turned off etc just went it left Malayasian air space is forever lost.

I can't believe a $300million dollar aircraft only records the last 50mins of stuff before it gets looped.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Captain did it deliberately just to show how floored aircraft tracking/technology still is.

From a "reliable" source -

777-200
CVR records 2 hours so it will likely be silent
FDR records 25 hours so there will likely be the data

May the aviation professionals decipher what happened and take steps to insure it can never happen again.

Those who've lost loved ones in a commercial airline crash will be reminded of very personal tragedy, trauma, loss and horror....

All the best to victim families - 'hoping they find closure and the strength to move forward from this horrific situation and too often insensitive speculation(s).
 
the weather has calmed here way down south yonder and the search will continue early morning +8 gmt and will hopefully find the black box soon
 
Malaysia Airlines crash: Suicide mission theory of MH370 investigators
Sources close to investigation tell Telegraph that team working on MH370 mystery believe it
was crashed deliberately
By Jonathan Pearlman, in Kuala Lumpur
6:00AM GMT 25 Mar 2014

Flight MH370 crashed into the Indian Ocean in an apparent suicide mission, well-placed sources
revealed have revealed, as Malaysia’s prime minister announced that everyone on the missing aircraft
had died.
The team investigating the Boeing 777’s disappearance believe no malfunction or fire was capable of
causing the aircraft’s unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system before it veered
wildly off course on a seven-hour silent flight into the sea. An analysis of the flight’s routing,
signalling and communications shows that it was flown “in a rational way”.
An official source told The Telegraph that investigators believe “this has been a deliberate act by
someone on board who had to have had the detailed knowledge to do what was done ... Nothing is
emerging that points to motive.”Asked about the possibility of a plane malfunction or an on-board fire, the source said: “It just does
not hinge together... [The investigators] have gone through processes you do to get the plane where it
flew to for eight hours. They point to it being flown in a rational way.”
On Monday the worst fears of the families of the 239 people on board were realised when Najib
Razak, Malaysia’s prime minister, announced that no one could have survived.
The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the British satellite firm Inmarsat provided
information that led to his conclusions, but Britain was also caught in the middle of an international
blame game over delays in the right search area being pinpointed.
Relatives of the missing passengers are angry that Inmarsat worked out within 24 hours that MH370
was likely to have crashed where the search is now concentrated, but it took a further 10 days for
rescue teams to act on the information.
Despite no confirmed sightings of wreckage, Mr Razak revealed that new analysis by the AAIB and
Inmarsat showed the plane ended its eight-hour flight on March 8 in the deep, remote waters of the
Indian Ocean, about 1,500 miles west of Perth, with no survivors.
“This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites,” he said.
“It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data,
flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”
At a hotel in Beijing, some family members fainted amid an outpouring of anger and grief as the
agonising wait to learn the fate of the flight ended with the news they most feared. For some it came
via a text message from Malaysia Airlines.They later delivered a scathing denunciation of Malaysia Airlines and the Malaysian government,
branding them “the real executioners” of the MH370 passengers.
But some continued to cling on to hope, pointing to the continued failure to find the plane. “No
confirmed wreckage, so no real closure,” said Sarah Bajc, whose American partner Philip Wood was
on board.
The flight remains shrouded in mystery and misinformation. Malaysia Airlines revealed for the first
time yesterday that Fariq Abdul Hamid, the 27-year-old co-pilot, was on his first flight aboard a
Boeing 777 as a fully-approved pilot. Fariq joined the airline seven years ago and had flown 2,763
hours but was only on his sixth flight in the cockpit of a 777 – and his first without a check pilot
overseeing him.
But analysts said the co-pilot’s inexperience in a 777 cockpit would probably not have posed a risk.
Somewhat surprisingly, Malaysia Airlines said last night its “prayers go out to all the loved ones of the
226 passengers and of our 13 friends and colleagues” – even though the passenger manifest shows
227 passengers and 12 crew. The airline has not yet explained the discrepancy.
A naval vessel was last night on its way to locate two pieces of debris spotted by an Australian air
force aircraft, one orange and rectangular, one seven feet long by eight inches across and grey or
green and cylindrical. In recent days, numerous floating objects have been spotted but none has yet
been confirmed as wreckage.
The 26-nation search has covered half the globe from Australia to Kazakhstan and followed theplane’s disappearance during a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The aircraft issued no
distress calls and – somewhat suspiciously – it vanished at the moment that its absence was least
likely to raise alarm bells, just as it was passing over from Malaysian to Vietnamese air traffic
controllers.
Malaysian authorities have come under intense criticism for their handling of the ordeal, including
claims they hid information and bungled the search.
Foreign intelligence agencies have conducted two rounds of checks on the passengers and found
nothing suspicious about any. Nor have any leads emerged from an intensive police investigation into
the two prime suspects, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the 53-year-old pilot, and Fariq. Neither has any known
background of extremism or psychological problems.
Police have interviewed more than a hundred friends and family members of the pilots, conducted aforensic investigation of a flight simulator seized from Zaharie’s home, combed through their laptops
and flying records, and enlisted the help of the FBI and Interpol. But a source involved in the police
investigation told The Telegraph: “We are still clueless. We have not collected anything suspicious.”
 
dnmun said:
Sources close to investigation tell Telegraph that team working on MH370 mystery believe it
was crashed deliberately..
Yada...yada...yada....
yada...yada...yada..

...... But a source involved in the police
investigation told The Telegraph: “We are still clueless. .”

Yes, well...thats very convincing !
 
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