new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

[gman1971]

Gman:
5% km road with moderate slope of about 12% and less than 25 km an hour speed.
The kit is cyclon 1680w and weight 21 kg bike.
I happen to apage the engine and again at 5 minutes has run?
Greetings and thanks

12% is not moderate. Its pretty darn steep. I used to climb mountain ports in Spain on my bike when I was a teenager and a 12% grade is considered fairly steep. The cyclone 3000W is much bigger than the 1680W motor so sounds to me you're exceeding the motor capabilities; doesn't sound there is anything wrong with your motor.

When my bike had the GNG motor, there is an 11% grade here in Wisconsin that I ran at 15 mph uphill for 2 minutes, the controller was maxed out at 1200-1300 watts and the motor temp went from 50F above ambient to ~100F above ambient within 2 minutes. Sounds like you are having the same issue.

I see two obvious solutions:
1) slow down to 10 mph, (16 km/h)
2) get the Cyclone 3000W kit, which will take 1500 watts going uphill like nothing: I run the same hill that I ran with my GNG at 15 mph at 25 mph on the Cyclone and I yet have to get above 40F above ambient temperature.


G.

 

[gman1971]

Mirricycle, best mirrors ever used. Tough too!

They were on Amazon for 13 bucks with Prime so I couldn't pass these up. Every trike I tried at the bike expo had them on and the sales guy explained that they were great so I figured why not try them... good to know they are decent then! Thanks.

I should have my cassette, chains and some other minor stuff here either today or tomorrow. Frame should be here by Friday; hopefully arrives on Thursday... I really can't wait to wrench this guy together and start triking!!

Another member here in ES has made a front suspension for the KMX trikes that I will, most likely, get at some point; depending on how bad/harsh the ride is to work on a rigid trike. Right now I ride on my 26" hardtail MTB ebike with just front suspension and it isn't bad, so if the trike is comparable to my bike I might get by for a while...

G.

 

[KOMAN]

I thought the engine was similar to cyclone-KIT or AFT EGO kit. These are designed to MTBy that supported the extreme use. estimate it other possibilities

Gman:
5% km road with moderate slope of about 12% and less than 25 km an hour speed.
The kit is cyclon 1680w and weight 21 kg bike.
I happen to apage the engine and again at 5 minutes has run?
Greetings and thanks

12% is not moderate. Its pretty darn steep. I used to climb mountain ports in Spain on my bike when I was a teenager and a 12% grade is considered fairly steep. The cyclone 3000W is much bigger than the 1680W motor so sounds to me you're exceeding the motor capabilities; doesn't sound there is anything wrong with your motor.

When my bike had the GNG motor, there is an 11% grade here in Wisconsin that I ran at 15 mph uphill for 2 minutes, the controller was maxed out at 1200-1300 watts and the motor temp went from 50F above ambient to ~100F above ambient within 2 minutes. Sounds like you are having the same issue.

I see two obvious solutions:
1) slow down to 10 mph, (16 km/h)
2) get the Cyclone 3000W kit, which will take 1500 watts going uphill like nothing: I run the same hill that I ran with my GNG at 15 mph at 25 mph on the Cyclone and I yet have to get above 40F above ambient temperature.


G.

 

[juanfeli]

Last Saturday, I put it together my first ebike. A custom Cyclone 3kW from Luna Cycle on a custom Salsa Spearfish 2 2012 with 2x Multistar 6S 16Ah and the result is 10 times better than I could imagine.

I’ll post here how it holds.

My first impression is just fantastic. I rode it for 10 mi between car traffic and some sidewalks with a top speed of 23.2mi/h and average of 18.4. I know that it can go faster and even more when I’ll follow gman1971 advice to release the full speed potential from the controller hack. But for now it feels super-fast. Wheeles at traffic lights next to cars toke me by surprise and if is uphill could be dangerous. I wouldn’t mind to go faster for long up hills (1 mile or more)

Today I have my first ride on trails and everything became even better. It is just amazing. I’m pretty sure that this bike will put a huge smile on anybody that could try it on any trail path.

I don’t have complaints about the noise; I would say that just a little nosier that two DD that I tried before I made my mind for this kit.

For chain to the motor, I went with a KMC z610 HX as I’m pretty sure is better for midrives than anything that I have seen suggested here.

The frame has a 73mm PressFit 30 shell so I’m using a Tripeak BSA bottom bracket adapter. I have chosen it for no particular reason. Nothing to say for now, just that the chain alignment was perfect.

You have to have some bike mechanics skills if you want to install this kit by yourself. Other than that, the cables are pretty straight forward.

The kit in your hands feels huge and heavy, but it doesn’t in the bike. The motor quality looks fine but not the drive train components.
If you plan to buy this kit, I highly suggest going with any other throttle than the one with LED and Power Switch as the key and LED obstruct your thumb to reach the gear shifter.

Here a couple of videos:

https://vimeo.com/159602818
https://vimeo.com/159678868

 

[juanfeli]

Forgot to mention that gman1971 had helped me a lot!

 

[gman1971]

Forgot to mention that gman1971 had helped me a lot!

I just gave you a couple of directions, you wrenched the bike together... congrats!

G.

 

[motomoto]

Why does everyone use 48 volts when the kit is 72 volts?

 

[gman1971]

Why does everyone use 48 volts when the kit is 72 volts?

Thats a good question...

My reasoning behind the 48V was so I could use an 20 amp RC BEC for everything on the bike, lights, USB charger, temp sensor module, etc, and since it was only rated up to 52 volts I couldn't go any higher. I am set to change that on the Trike I am building now; that guy will run at 72V with a shunted controller to ~60 amps; that should be around 4.5 kW, we'll see how it fares.

G.

 

[gman1971]

I just got an email confirming my KMX trike is on the mail, it should be here this Friday so it looks like I'll be wrenching it together this weekend!

G.

 

[robocam]

Technically, the 12S lipo guys like Gman are running 44.4V batteries. I previously had a 48V GNG belt-driven mid drive, so that's why I have a 52V (51.8V) battery. The day I experienced the difference between 48V (4 SLAs) vs the 52V 18650 pack, I developed a desire for higher voltage. I've had thoughts about splitting up my 20Ah 52V pack into two 10Ah packs and wiring them in series (using a Lyen controller), but that might be a bit extreme. I've thought about buying extra cells to make my pack 60 or 72V but I think I'll just try my new Cyclone out at 52V before I do anything else. It should be more than powerful enough for what I want to do with it. There was nothing wrong with my GNG belt-driven setup, but after reading all these posts by Gman raving about his Cyclone, I couldn't resist buying one

If I had to do it over again, I might choose the Luna Cycle 60V Panasonic PF pack (their 60V 25Ah 25r pack is too heavy for me). It's only slightly more expensive ($50) than my 52V 20Ah Samsung 25r pack.

http://lunacycle.com/batteries/packs/60v/60v-triangle-panasonic-pf-20ah-high-power-w-charger/

It could be that higher-voltage battery packs are more expensive, so that might be why more people aren't running them. Is there anyone other than Luna Cycle selling reasonably-priced battery packs that are higher than 48V? Knowing what I know now (what I've learned over the past few weeks), I would consider making my own battery out of Samsung 25r cells (only if I can find a good battery tab welder). And is it really true that the majority are running ~48V?

Why does everyone use 48 volts when the kit is 72 volts?

 

[motomoto]

I bought one of these. I looks like it should work for 72 volts or 20s.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/72V-84V-20S-60A-20x-3-6V-3-7V-4-2V-Lithium-ion-Li-ion-Li-Po-Battery-PCB-BMS-/321745442492?hash=item4ae985d6bc:g:BeUAAOSwv0tVRyqE

 

[gman1971]

I bought one of these. I looks like it should work for 72 volts or 20s.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&&item=321745442492&view=all&ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ACPSSOSB%3AUS%3A1123&tid=1567338158011&guest=1

I got one of those 100VDC-DC 30 amp converters, so on the trike I'll run 12V on the aux rail and not 7.5 as I am running now. I did it mainly for direct driving the two CREE MT-G2 LEDs on the headlights and 7.5 was the voltage that gave me a little over 3000 lumes per LED. On the trike it will be 12V and I will have cigarette lighter port and some other goodies that I am shuffling around.

On another note, I watched your video again... I am still amazed that you managed to run 66 mph on a mid drive man.. is just amazing. I am hoping to get very close with the Trike since it will have a much lower CdA than a regular bike...

G.

 

[markz]

That eBay link is a login guest page, what is the actual link because I am looking for a DC-DC converter that can work with 72V.

 

[juanfeli]

Why does everyone use 48 volts when the kit is 72 volts?

My bike is a light 12Kg F suspension with a light aluminum frame. I don't know if it'll survive the power so I decided to start with low with 48v. Also I preferred for the simplicity of just two Lipos and I have a small space in the frame. If I decide to go with higher capacity or carry the batteries in a backpack I'll go for something like a 18650 GA. But so far I like it as it is right know.

Little upset because two weeks ago I asked Luna if they had plans to sell battery packs with GA and they told me not but I just received a distribution list email from them telling the oposite. If I'd know I'd wait for something like a 14s7p GA.

 

[BoomerChomsi]

What is special about this Luna modified Cyclone kit?

Thank you!

 

[juanfeli]

What is special about this Luna modified Cyclone kit?

Thank you!

As a personal preference for things that I buy in Internet and are more than $200, I prefer to order them from US in case that I have to return them so I don't have to deal with shipping price/time and Customs.

 

[motomoto]

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[motomoto]

That eBay link is a login guest page, what is the actual link because I am looking for a DC-DC converter that can work with 72V.

Here is the link, sorry.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/72V-84V-20S-60A-20x-3-6V-3-7V-4-2V-Lithium-ion-Li-ion-Li-Po-Battery-PCB-BMS-/321745442492?hash=item4ae985d6bc:g:BeUAAOSwv0tVRyqE

 

[DingusMcGee]

12% is not moderate. Its pretty darn steep.

12% is nothing for the c-3000. On a measured slope [digital level] of 50% my c-3000 climbed the 50% slope without petal assist but the LR SmBk of same gearing and adjusted weight needed petal assist. Both bikes has the 52v 20Ah packs. And BTW 30% slope is nothing for this setup unless you testing for how much body weigh beyond mine the bike can climb.

 

[BoomerChomsi]

What is special about this Luna modified Cyclone kit?

Thank you!

As a personal preference for things that I buy in Internet and are more than $200, I prefer to order them from US in case that I have to return them so I don't have to deal with shipping price/time and Customs.

Thanks mate!

I am in Europe, so it doesn't count for me

Thank you!

 

[BoomerChomsi]

Hi Guys,

Can you show me your bikes, so I can look to have a idea for a Cyclone build.

Thank you! 8)

 

[gman1971]

12% is not moderate. Its pretty darn steep.

12% is nothing for the c-3000. On a measured slope [digital level] of 50% my c-3000 climbed the 50% slope without petal assist but the LR SmBk of same gearing and adjusted weight needed petal assist. Both bikes has the 52v 20Ah packs. And BTW 30% slope is nothing for this setup unless you testing for how much body weigh beyond mine the bike can climb.

And I agree, but he isn't running a C-3000...

G.

 

[gman1971]

Last night I decided to swap the rear chain on the ebike. It hasn't gotten completely to the 0.5% wear mark, and while most links are slightly past the 0.5% stretch I could've probably gotten a few hundred miles more out of it. However, I noticed that the shifting was getting a bit on the rough side so that is what really made my decision. This time I replaced the chain with a Shimano HG-X 95 instead of a KMC, but I am still using the 10 spd KMC missing link.

Today I did noticed a difference right away, not sure if it was due to tailwind or what: my Wh/mile went from 48 to 30. I should confirm those results this afternoon on my way back home. Maybe these were due to wind, or perhaps due the fact the chain was so gritty from all the salt/snow during winter etc that no matter how hard I tried to clean it or lube it, it really needed replacement.

G.

 

[DingusMcGee]

gman,

I am still amazed that you managed to run 66 mph on a mid drive man..

Do you mean 66kph?

66 mph with c 3000 at 72v == I am calling bullshitt on this. Try this tool: http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html. I cannot make it happen with the simulator.


And he did? Was it downhill steep with a tailwind and drafting a car? I could get that speed petaling a 10 speed roadie BID by doing that terrain and drafting.

But I can get my odometer to show 105 kph by adjusting the wheel size with the 41.9 mph I get on 52v.

 

[gman1971]

He didn't use the Cyclone 3000...

If you look at his videos on YT you can see he used a crazy Astroflight RC motor running ~10kW... So, but it would've been super fun he could've done it with the C-3000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcyKhL6sb4A

A 4 turn delta Astroflight RC motor will yield some insane power figures, as seen on that video and running 500 RPM at crank sounds doable. I am running 180 RPM on mine and running 30-35 mph, double the RPM and 360 becomes 60 mph, but that would've be too much torque through the chain. I think motomoto commented at some point that his 10kW mid drive was snapping chains, even with such an RPM boost... so I figured 400+ or so RPM would be the RPM to get to 60 on a mid drive.

G.

gman,

I am still amazed that you managed to run 66 mph on a mid drive man..

Do you mean 66kph?

66 mph with c 3000 at 72v == I am calling bullshitt on this. Try this tool: http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html. I cannot make it happen with the simulator.


And he did? Was it downhill steep with a tailwind and drafting a car? I could get that speed petaling a 10 speed roadie BID by doing that terrain and drafting.

But I can get my odometer to show 105 kph by adjusting the wheel size with the 41.9 mph I get on 52v.