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Forget that last post. I was just really pissed off that I failed to accomplish my second e bike build. I will never sell the front kit. I will sit on it until I find the forks or shocks that it requires. Look at this picture. The sentry cash box fits perfect with enough room in front to connect everything. No wires have to run to the back. I have the back rack for a second basket. I already hooked up the large currie back basket up to it to haul that thanks giving basket from the pantry. About 50 pounds of food between the front and back basket. The Currie pick up truck may haul 10 or 15 pounds more.
I get $105 on the 17 th. Also should get heap this month. Bills will get paid and birthday will happen. Just getting nervous because I'm cutting it close. I can always sell this tablet for $100 if I have to but dont want to. All my pictures are on it. Its a better camera than a PC and I use it every day. It don't sit in a closet. I got like $30 left I can spend now without going totally broke before I get more money. That will either go for the forks or shocks I need to make the kit work or I will get a new controller for the Currie to run that Lipo pack in the Metal box in the picture. The currie has a front basket now also the exact same size.
I was going to mount the box on the back rack. But when I was at Dougs Eric stopped at my house looking for $5 for beer. He called me at Dougs . I knew he had the drill bits to do the job. I walked 2 miles for my heart to buy the box. was first time I saw it in the basket. I have not failed. I have invented a unique thing. I added a second bungee cord to secure the basket. Its solid bro. Like Ill be after a few months at the gym. LOL.
Bikes with baskets on are so common in this city that cops don't ever look twice at them. They see the basket and that's all they see. There as getteo as pushing shopping carts around. So many bums do it collecting cans that cops never bat an eye. LOL.
Will post this tomorrow. Taking picture now. On my last beer. pictures done. Been thinking If I mounted the controller vertically to the side inside the basket instead of on the bottom the room would be there for a friction drive and about 100% total stealth. Would need some steel brackets. About 80% now as the hub motor is only giveaway. Currie with that motor and batteries sticks out like sore thumb. maybe 30% stealth because its mostly black.
Not all places are as good as here as far as cops go. Something to think about. I want to do a special budget build. Sometime down the road. Low budget friction drive. everything invisible for those who have to hide that . Also Dan I could not find the series bullet connector. Where can I get one . Will keep looking.
Thanks latecurtisout.
 
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WILL go to Doug later. Wheel kit is there. All I got is tape measure. Dan I will be there about 60pm if you want to get online then. If I don't answer right away I may be At grocery store. I have a lot to do today I will try to be there for you to call me about 8 pm. Doug will be there and you can talk to him as he is my mechanic and my friend. I am not familiar with the specs and don't know what I need. Doug talks a lot. He is young and gets excited but he is a really good guy.

Hope to hear from you then. Sincerely Latecurtis.
 
Damn. Sorry mate. The ad said nothing about oversized front forks for that kit.

So from a quick google, there are only two types of front forks aside from some really old European bikes - 100m for almost all bikes, and 110mm for Downhill Bikes.

If your spacing is 100m, as I suspect it would be, then the only choice would be to get a downhill fork. Not even sure if that would fit in a standard frame. Everyone else seems more expert.

Also, are there removable nuts or spacers that could be there to make it compatible with both 100mm and 110mm forks?
 
Sunder said:
Damn. Sorry mate. The ad said nothing about oversized front forks for that kit.

So from a quick google, there are only two types of front forks aside from some really old European bikes - 100m for almost all bikes, and 110mm for Downhill Bikes.

If your spacing is 100m, as I suspect it would be, then the only choice would be to get a downhill fork. Not even sure if that would fit in a standard frame. Everyone else seems more expert.

Also, are there removable nuts or spacers that could be there to make it compatible with both 100mm and 110mm forks?

The installation manual says 105mm?
http://www.campsolution.com/Product...tallation manual for ebike conversion kit.pdf

I have an old STEEL mozo :p fork with 102.25mm 7" steerer, 1 1/8" dia. v-brakes. If the motor is 105mm this would work with a little of filing. Has full lawyer lip, so would need a c-washer or lust a couple washers that fit.
I almost forgot it's THREADLESS.

Like LC, money is getting too tight right now to ship it for a while. Out of work for 6 years on my birtday!!!
Or should I say retired/retarded.

Dan
 
DAND214 said:
The installation manual says 105mm?
http://www.campsolution.com/Product...tallation manual for ebike conversion kit.pdf

I have an old STEEL mozo :p fork with 102.25mm 7" steerer, 1 1/8" dia. v-brakes. If the motor is 105mm this would work with a little of filing. Has full lawyer lip, so would need a c-washer or lust a couple washers that fit.
I almost forgot it's THREADLESS.

Like LC, money is getting too tight right now to ship it for a while. Out of work for 6 years on my birtday!!!
Or should I say retired/retarded.

Dan

Filing? If the forks are steel, cold setting should be safer.

Spreading a Front Fork
A front fork can't be spread the same way as the rear of a frame, because you can't lever against the seat tube. Generally, the front fork is spread by pulling the blades apart from one another. Better-equipped bike shops have jigs to align fork blades. This can be done with a hub axle, placing axle nuts in between the fork blades. Fine adjustments may be made with a rubber mallet.

Never thought I'd see "fine adjustment" and "mallet" together in the same sentence...

http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
 
Spread a fork with a crap shock ok? Not real shock, you know rubber.
I would think the mount for the v-brakes would cause it to twist the forks. But what the hell do I know?
I woud use a file, it's only a couple mm and part of it is teeth from the axle splines or radial lines.

Sunder, how's the weather i paradise? :mrgreen:

Dan
 
DAND214 said:
Spread a fork with a crap shock ok? Not real shock, you know rubber.
I would think the mount for the v-brakes would cause it to twist the forks. But what the hell do I know?
I woud use a file, it's only a couple mm and part of it is teeth from the axle splines or radial lines.

Sunder, how's the weather i paradise? :mrgreen:

Dan

Wouldn't you be doing the stretching above the shock? Not an expert on these things.

Weather? Hot every day, storm every night.

A week into December, and most places have received 2 - 4x the normal rain for the whole month.
 
Sunder:wrote
Wouldn't you be doing the stretching above the shock? Not an expert on these things.

Yes I do think it would spread at the struts at the crown but If spread the fork would be a stiff fork :mrgreen:
I think. No shock which would ride like a solid fork, or it might bind either up or locked in a down position.
But like I said. What the heck do I know? It might work like new.

Dan
 
Hey LC,did you get you groceries?
have you read the posts tonight?
Ask Doug what the fork you have are, dropuot spacing, steerer thread or not, and if threadless how long is the steerer.

here is what I have to offer.
DAND214 wrote:
The installation manual says 105mm?
http://www.campsolution.com/ProductImages/release20130724/installation%20manual%20for%20ebike%20conversion%20kit.pdf

"I have an old STEEL mozo fork with 102.25mm 7" steerer, 1 1/8" dia. v-brakes. If the motor is 105mm this would work with a little of filing. Has full lawyer lip, so would need a c-washer or lust a couple washers that fit.
I almost forgot it's THREADLESS."

Dan
 
Dan. Before I forget. Did you send me anything else? You said you did but I did not get anything. Also I looked and did not see a series battery connector to hook the 44.4 volt pack to the controller.

The weather is horrible. About 3 inches of slush everywhere. I wont ride an e bike in this shot anyway. The reason I really like the specialized is the light weight. I can't make the wheel kit lighter but not willing to add weight with a steel fork unless it is my only option. A cromolie fork would be lighter and stronger than steel. Also Doug is right about running disk brakes front and rear. Rushing this project will not work for me.I want to be able to go top speed and down any hill I want.Disk brakes and cromolie forks are not optional.

I think one of the SLAs has a bad cell. I unhooked the desulfator yesterday after running it for a few days and got a mid 12 a mid 13 and a mid 10 on one of the batteries. I hooked up the single 12 volt SLA to the possible bad battery and the 24 volt SLA charger that came with the Currie to the other two in series. Overnight about 12 hours and got a green light on the 24 volt charger and the single charger was still red. Will leave them all on charge until I get home after S O A final episode tonigh
 
I need the series connector a 48 volt controller and a Lipo charger to run the Currie if the SLA battery has a bad cell. And the right shocks a charger and series connector to make the specialized work so They will both sit and collect dust until spring of that SLA battery has a bad cell.. Latecurtis out.
 
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Man that sucks , my beer froze when I was doing the paint thing. Back from the finale of S O A .Legendary stuff. When it comes to e bikes, standards need to be set. Super stealth is the highest standard possible and it - 100% stealth. The fork motor is as easy to install as it is unique. That might be the right fork not the left. basket in front of forks. Legal is right side of road putting the motor facing the sidewalk.

All that it takes to hide the motor is a bag of cans hanging from the front basket. I wont limit the wattage or voltage of the motor but good luck meeting those weight requirements with much over 500 watts and 24 volts and 15 mph. If I run those Lipos in parallel a good 500 watt motor for under $50 and $15 worth of hardware seems like the right thing to do. That will do justice to the Specialized. With the light weight pedal assist will work on the hills. I think it is a 21 speed so if I get the pedal gears working perfect I can get to at least 25mph on flat for short periods of time. Please try to be fair and if a patent for this idea occurs I should be mentioned as creator with small compensation. or a 5%. share of the profits and I will be happy to stay out of court.

As far as weight classes First I would like to discuss possible virtual reality video games like the new sim city stuff but based on e bike design. garage crew ,pit crew and all and drag or track racing. maybe delivery games like how e bikes deliver things and cops hate bikes e bikes even more in NYC. Think of the possibilities. Maybe e bikes that fly soon. As far as e bike racing as a sport. That is our dream. We deserve to pursue our dreams. The Specialized will be in the 50 pound class. The100 pound class is what the currie would be in with Lipo.

As far as the currie goes if the shocks are steel they will bend and not break. Lets streach them out or get another pair if we need to and test out that theory I had before that DrkAngel shot down. Change the wheel sprocket from 80 tooth to about 60 tooth throw on the front kit and see how fast it will get to 40 mph with two motors. 56 mph is what 45 tooth will get with MY1020 motor but not at 1 killowatt. It takes about 4 killowatts I learned from DrkAngel. so 0 to 40 mph is our goal with 2 killowatts to work with.

Maby the currie will be the future dragster. Stage 1. getting used to the bike. 0 to 40. stage 2 see other post 10 killowatt + motors. I think e bike drag racing should happen and other e bike racing should happen also. e bikes should have weight classifications too during competition I think anything over 120 pounds for a bicycle is pushing that limit.

All E S members can now have a vote on what L C will do. Put another motor on the currie or finish the specialized.

Thanks Latecurtis.
 
The thing is though my heart doctor left a message saying he needs to see me to upgrade my medication. Also the legal representive downtown wants me to make an appointment and my mental health and primary care doctor also. Are all of these people nuts. Its not going to stop snowing any time soon. Im surprised the library was even open. Its suicide to rade a bike on these roads. I don't own a four wheel drive or a snowmobile . I could get myself killed trying to see these people in this crap. Why do they need to see me. I look just as ugly as the last time they saw me.
 
I may or may not come to my senses and may or may not build the fork motor but either way if the forks are wide enough I will need them if not for the Specialized then the currie. The chances of finding a used pair of cromolie forks that fit those specifications are slim to none. About the same as finding a decent used 22 Ah SLA. I am almost Shure I have a bad cell in one of those SLAs. The 12 volt SLA trickle charger tells the story. The light on it was still red this morning. I never unhooked it. I hooked it up to one of the other batteries that were charged with the 24 volt SLA charger and got a blue light in about 5 minutes. I hooked up the trickle charger to the other battery that was charged with the 24 volt charger and bet the light will be blue when I get home. The only thing that is good about the situation is now I know weather an SLA is bad or not by hooking up the trickle charger so Its not only a charger but a battery tester. The 24 volt charger cant do that. Same with the desulfator. It doubles as a volt meter with its auto detection. The thing is though I may as well scrap all three batteries for $10. What good are two SLAs that weigh 13 pounds each. Does anybody want them for free. I might as well give away Both the SLA chargers also. There is no sense in getting 3 - 15 AH SLAs when I can run Lipo packs. Or should I keep the chargers in case I get a good deal on LIFEPO4s. SLA chargers work for LIFEPO4s right. Please let me know. I am looking to price DC motors that are small and weigh less than 6 pounds for that fork motor idea. I don't know if I am going to build it or not. I may just hook up the steel shocks to the Specialized with the kit like I was going to if he sends them to me. I am not shure. The only thing I am shure about at this time is I am not going very far in this weather for awhile. Sincerelly Latecurtis.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Razor-MX500-Dirt-Rocket-Bike-Electric-Scooter-Motor-36V-500W-MY1020-H-ST20-/161308540843?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258ebcffab&vxp=mtr

It looks smaller than the MY1020 motor on the currie. I cant get a weight on it though. The MY1020 motor is about 10 pounds. 6 pounds is the limit I am putting on a fork motor and I may change that to less than 5 pounds.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CURRIE-TECHNOLOGIES-Electro-Drive-MOTOR-Model-XYD-6D-/121513010878?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4abd66be

I cant find the original Currie motor that was 450 watt@ 24 volts. I know it was about 5 pounds though but would be costly to rebuild. Not a lot of brushed motors over 250 watts. 250 watt 24 volt motors are common but looking for something at least 450 watts like the old currie motor for the fork motor. I don't see much just the first post. There are tons of those but not seeing any weight on anything,
 
I hate busses. I almost punched a bus driver in the face. Not allowed on most of them. Also came really close to murdering a cab driver with a wrench. I really wanted to hit him but managed to control the urge. that's one of the reasons I go to mental health appointments. I will Waite for better weather. I am not killing myself trying to get to these places in this crap. The weather has to improve sooner or later.

I beat on that old Currie motor. It took a lot of abuse before it gave in. When I first got the 36 volt upgrade it went up the same hill about 5 mph it burned out on 4 months later. It even out performed the MY1020 motor on the flat. Top speed was about 26 mph. about 20 with the MY1020 motor at 36 volts. I don't believe currie makes that model any more. They switched to hub motors mostly now. There is a lot of 250 watt currie motors though but I want the 450 watt one. I would love a 1000 watt 48 volt motor that only weighs about 5 or 6 pounds but very unlikely. I may not be able to do the fork motor at this time due to lack of motor options. A friction drive in the basket is too complicated and would require a motor too heavy I 86d that idea totally. a fork motor will happen someday but not now. I'm better off putting on the steel forks if Dan sends them. installing the kit on the Specailized and calling it a day. Dan I will take pictures of everything you sent spread out on the table. Also the connectors coming out of the metal box after I file and tape any sharp edges inside the holes Eric drilled. The connection mystery shall be solved. I have lots of time on my hands due to this weather so the pictures will be up by tomorrow if I find a internet connection or Friday when the library is open again. Thanks Latecurtis out.
 
For the hell of it. If anybody is bored I would like the weight on that 500 watt razor motor. I don't have 36 volt battery options right now though with my current Lipo packs but would like to know anyway for future reference. Also if anybody wishes to help find a motor or has a cheap one they don't want laying around I think it would be fun to see if the fork motor will actually work. 24 volts will be ok to see if it will work but am shooting for 36 volts and about 675 watts which is what the currie was when it was overvolted. Thanks Latecurtis
 
Also Sunder or one of the ES members said something about getting a lot of performance out of a 200 watt motor. I don't see it but if a 250 watt or 350 watt motor will work somehow it would be ok. I just don't see it though but I don't know everything. Any suggestions or ideas are always appreciated. Latecurtis out.
 
Necessary power for various speeds ... with various bike types.

Hills require more!
Either more powerful motor ... or pedal assist.

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50mph version

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Just for fun ...
 
latecurtis said:
Also Sunder or one of the ES members said something about getting a lot of performance out of a 200 watt motor. I don't see it but if a 250 watt or 350 watt motor will work somehow it would be ok. I just don't see it though but I don't know everything. Any suggestions or ideas are always appreciated. Latecurtis out.

Did I?

Was I talking about modifying a Q100H to cope with 1.5kw through better windings, magnets and internal cooling?

That's my ultimate goal, and I'm starting this Christmas break.
 
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