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latecurtis
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I decided to walk to Wall-Mart anyway. I got new boots. I know what some people on this forum are thinking. Why cant I walk to my appointments and the answer is I am lazy and like to sleep all day. LOL Also some days my arthritis is worse than others. The other reason is I need a break from all the appointments . And I like to make excuses for not doing what I should be doing and for drinking too much some nights. LOL. Im not perfect.
Here is the reason I am walking to Wall-Mart. I need a file to get rid of any sharp edges that may short out the battery and controller wites I will be getting a file kit I priced the last time I was there. I may even be able to file the dropouts a little on those aluminum forks to install the hub motor on the aluminum shocks. I tead the posts on spreading forks. If they break hopefully Dan is sending the steel ones. Also as you can see Dan The connectors in the bag wont work for hooking up the batteries. I looked everywhere but could not find a series bullet connector to hook the pack to the controller.. The motor wite is hooked up and the white plug for the throttle I guess. I will need the connector. The kit came with that bullet connector with bare wires on the other end. That wont be any help. Will post this quick at the laundry mat where they have wi fi.
Thanks. Latecurtis.
Here is the reason I am walking to Wall-Mart. I need a file to get rid of any sharp edges that may short out the battery and controller wites I will be getting a file kit I priced the last time I was there. I may even be able to file the dropouts a little on those aluminum forks to install the hub motor on the aluminum shocks. I tead the posts on spreading forks. If they break hopefully Dan is sending the steel ones. Also as you can see Dan The connectors in the bag wont work for hooking up the batteries. I looked everywhere but could not find a series bullet connector to hook the pack to the controller.. The motor wite is hooked up and the white plug for the throttle I guess. I will need the connector. The kit came with that bullet connector with bare wires on the other end. That wont be any help. Will post this quick at the laundry mat where they have wi fi.
Thanks. Latecurtis.
latecurtis
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Sorry about the spelling its getting late and I want to get to Wall-Mart and back home.
DrkAngel
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Weight is a minimal to microscopic factor for either speed or range ... during travel on level terrain.
Weight is a factor during acceleration and for climbing hills.
80lb eBicycle weight would be a major factor for a 110lb woman.
Every bicycle lb trimmed would be a modest performance improvement.
80lb eBicycle weight would be a modest factor for a 250lb man.
Every bicycle lb trimmed would be a minor performance improvement.
Weight is a factor during acceleration and for climbing hills.
80lb eBicycle weight would be a major factor for a 110lb woman.
Every bicycle lb trimmed would be a modest performance improvement.
80lb eBicycle weight would be a modest factor for a 250lb man.
Every bicycle lb trimmed would be a minor performance improvement.
DAND214
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Latecurtis, it's all there. You need to seperate the kit parts and the parts I set so you know what is what.
The harness near the wheel is the series connectors and has nothing to do with the motor kit.
I assume the motor kit had 3 major pieces, wheel, controller and the throttle. A few other pieces like the pigtail for the battery to the controller and maybe a few more items.
Lc you need to run all four packs if you want them to live more than one trip. Cold kills the capacity in almost all batteries.
It sounds like will need to get some help from someone that understand electricity more than you do.
As for the fork, as I said before I need to know if it will fit the frame and handlebar stem.
I think you need to find a close ES member that would help you, one on one. i'm way out of reach and have no way to get there , especialy this time of year.
High of 32 today, no sun and I took a trip to a local lake for a ride. I sure don't know how I did it previous years but boy was it cold. Hands frozen, pecker froze and my feet got cold. That hasn't hapened before. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Third ride on the Multistart 16Ah packs. There ok but not like 20c Turnigy ones you got. But than again it was a lot colder than this summer :lol:
You have my # i'm here till about 10 pm your time after that the phone is dead, just like me.
Darkangel, thanks for the explanation on percentage of weight differances. Yeah the alloy fork weighs less than a steel one but on the road it won't make much change. Just about 5lbs more than the alloy.
Dan
The harness near the wheel is the series connectors and has nothing to do with the motor kit.
I assume the motor kit had 3 major pieces, wheel, controller and the throttle. A few other pieces like the pigtail for the battery to the controller and maybe a few more items.
Lc you need to run all four packs if you want them to live more than one trip. Cold kills the capacity in almost all batteries.
It sounds like will need to get some help from someone that understand electricity more than you do.
As for the fork, as I said before I need to know if it will fit the frame and handlebar stem.
I think you need to find a close ES member that would help you, one on one. i'm way out of reach and have no way to get there , especialy this time of year.
High of 32 today, no sun and I took a trip to a local lake for a ride. I sure don't know how I did it previous years but boy was it cold. Hands frozen, pecker froze and my feet got cold. That hasn't hapened before. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Third ride on the Multistart 16Ah packs. There ok but not like 20c Turnigy ones you got. But than again it was a lot colder than this summer :lol:
You have my # i'm here till about 10 pm your time after that the phone is dead, just like me.
Darkangel, thanks for the explanation on percentage of weight differances. Yeah the alloy fork weighs less than a steel one but on the road it won't make much change. Just about 5lbs more than the alloy.
Dan
latecurtis
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latecurtis
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Its been a hell of a night. some dude in a car said he was almost out of gas and he worked for fed x and left his wallet at work. He had a lunch box in the car and he seemed honest. His gauge said empty. I got a ride part way home. Im pretty shure I got scammed for $10. He is supposed to pay me $20 tommorpw. He has my phone number and knows where I live. I know I will never see that dude again unless he is from around here and scamming money for crack. If he is I will see him trying it again to someone else and he may end up in the trunk of his own car.
Anyway on a more positive note I filed the rough edges a little and used gorilla tape to finish the job on the cash box. Electrical tape would not stick. Gorilla tape sticks to almost anything. Dont go cheap on something like this . Duck tape wont stick as good as gorilla tape.
Here is a picture of the front kit. It did not take much filing to get the axel to clear the drop outs. The disk brake thing had to go as it was rubbing. Notice the ridges on the outside rim. That was another reason Douge was thinking standard brakes pads would not work with those ridges. With those wires the way they are you cant put washers inside the fork. Also if the axel is all the way to the bottom of the dropout you can see from the picture that it will rub against the bottom inside of the shock. The lawyers lip thing I think. By pulling it up a couple of millimeters before tightening it down it seems to spin freely. I will file it down tommorow.
I can make it work but may not have any brakes on the front because of those ridges. If the steel shocks are wide enough to run the disk brakes when I can afford them then I can still use them. As long as I can make them work for disk somehow if its not set up for it. Also I need to see how it pedels compared to the regular front wheel. I know it wont pedel quite as well but want to see how much difference.
If the diffetence seems to be a lot I may actually run both motors on the Currie. Not just because of the 0 to 40 mph thing but the fact that it could probably climb almost any hill and with batteries for each motor plus the backup set it would have the most range.
The Specialized would then become the first fork motor driven bike. Lighter by 8 or more pounds than the hub motor and will pedel the same as a bike with no hub motor. We can start a company building them. We need to patent this. I would rather work building e bikes than collecting a government check.
All Douge will need to help me with is changing over the tire and tube as I usually end up poking a hole in the tube. That wont happen tommorow. I need the bike the way it is until I have everything I need. I still need a series bullet connector. I will have to order it Friday and figure out the shipping so that I get a charger about the same day as the connectors. Notice the tape job on the inside of the cash box. Nothing will be sliding around but I am limited to only one Lipo pack.
I guess I will do the exact same set up on the currie with the other pack and will need two series bullet connectors and extra bullet plugs for the wires comming out of the cheap 48 volt chineese controller I will get for the currie upgrade. Also when I can afford it I will get a 44.4 volt 4s pack for back up on either bike. I will figure out a way to secure it to the inside of the basket with small bungee cords.
I think it is time to scrap the SLAs and get back the $10 that I got scammed out of tonight. That is unless someone is in need of 2 - 24 volt SLAs and a 24 volt charger and desulfator. Im pretty shure that one of the SLAs is almost tottally shot.
Also before I forget. Is it right or on backward? Which side of the bike do the wires from the hub motor stick out of? The pedel sprocket side. or not ?. Ill take a picture.
Thanks Latecurtis out.
Anyway on a more positive note I filed the rough edges a little and used gorilla tape to finish the job on the cash box. Electrical tape would not stick. Gorilla tape sticks to almost anything. Dont go cheap on something like this . Duck tape wont stick as good as gorilla tape.
Here is a picture of the front kit. It did not take much filing to get the axel to clear the drop outs. The disk brake thing had to go as it was rubbing. Notice the ridges on the outside rim. That was another reason Douge was thinking standard brakes pads would not work with those ridges. With those wires the way they are you cant put washers inside the fork. Also if the axel is all the way to the bottom of the dropout you can see from the picture that it will rub against the bottom inside of the shock. The lawyers lip thing I think. By pulling it up a couple of millimeters before tightening it down it seems to spin freely. I will file it down tommorow.
I can make it work but may not have any brakes on the front because of those ridges. If the steel shocks are wide enough to run the disk brakes when I can afford them then I can still use them. As long as I can make them work for disk somehow if its not set up for it. Also I need to see how it pedels compared to the regular front wheel. I know it wont pedel quite as well but want to see how much difference.
If the diffetence seems to be a lot I may actually run both motors on the Currie. Not just because of the 0 to 40 mph thing but the fact that it could probably climb almost any hill and with batteries for each motor plus the backup set it would have the most range.
The Specialized would then become the first fork motor driven bike. Lighter by 8 or more pounds than the hub motor and will pedel the same as a bike with no hub motor. We can start a company building them. We need to patent this. I would rather work building e bikes than collecting a government check.
All Douge will need to help me with is changing over the tire and tube as I usually end up poking a hole in the tube. That wont happen tommorow. I need the bike the way it is until I have everything I need. I still need a series bullet connector. I will have to order it Friday and figure out the shipping so that I get a charger about the same day as the connectors. Notice the tape job on the inside of the cash box. Nothing will be sliding around but I am limited to only one Lipo pack.
I guess I will do the exact same set up on the currie with the other pack and will need two series bullet connectors and extra bullet plugs for the wires comming out of the cheap 48 volt chineese controller I will get for the currie upgrade. Also when I can afford it I will get a 44.4 volt 4s pack for back up on either bike. I will figure out a way to secure it to the inside of the basket with small bungee cords.
I think it is time to scrap the SLAs and get back the $10 that I got scammed out of tonight. That is unless someone is in need of 2 - 24 volt SLAs and a 24 volt charger and desulfator. Im pretty shure that one of the SLAs is almost tottally shot.
Also before I forget. Is it right or on backward? Which side of the bike do the wires from the hub motor stick out of? The pedel sprocket side. or not ?. Ill take a picture.
Thanks Latecurtis out.
latecurtis
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Are those parallel series connectors you are talking about Dan. I will look at them closer. The huge power supply and paraboard are cool for charging at home but what if I am downtown at the library with an outside outlet? Would I have to lug that power supply and board or is there a charger I could just hook up to the batteries and plug into the outside outlet awhile I'm in the library. That is what I used to do with the Currie and stock battery pack.
latecurtis
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Are those parallel series connectors you are talking about Dan. I will look at them closer. The huge power supply and paraboard are cool for charging at home but what if I am downtown at the library with an outside outlet? Would I have to lug that power supply and board or is there a charger I could just hook up to the batteries and plug into the outside outlet awhile I'm in the library. That is what I used to do with the Currie and stock battery pack
latecurtis
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Thought you said KFC fingers if I hooked parallel series two packs. I'm scared of electricity.
latecurtis
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If I find the right connector I can be ready for a test run in a day or two with a single pack. Hope one of the chargers will hook up without that huge power supply. I really want an ac Lipo charger with Dual ports and balancer plugs for each battery in the single pack. No fried fingers and can plug it in anywhere there is power. I can also bring the other 6s pack fully charged and switch over to it when I need to. Please let me know. If I have to lug the power supply and parallel board around to charge the Lipos away from home. That will be a lot of extra weight. It don't make any sense to me. I would need a second cash box on top of the other one. It would not be much lighter than 4 - 10 Ah SLAs in the basket. Please let me know soon.
Sincerely Latecurtis
Sincerely Latecurtis
DAND214
10 MW
If you tighten the nuts it will crack the droputs before you even turn it over.
You need a tight fit in the dropouts not sloppy.
Did you ever measure the width of the fork before trying to install the wheel?
I think the washer you have under the nut is Square not round. Round washer has to fit inside the laywer lips to fill it above the lip so you tighten on the washer not the fork.
Yes you need all that stuff to charge the batteries. I should of sent the boat anchor LiFePo pack I have instead. 48v20ah Vpower so it's only like 14Ah not the 20Ah they claim, It also weighs more than it's rated AT.Too big and too heavy, almost as your SLAs.
Dan
You need a tight fit in the dropouts not sloppy.
Did you ever measure the width of the fork before trying to install the wheel?
I think the washer you have under the nut is Square not round. Round washer has to fit inside the laywer lips to fill it above the lip so you tighten on the washer not the fork.
Yes you need all that stuff to charge the batteries. I should of sent the boat anchor LiFePo pack I have instead. 48v20ah Vpower so it's only like 14Ah not the 20Ah they claim, It also weighs more than it's rated AT.Too big and too heavy, almost as your SLAs.
Dan
latecurtis
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latecurtis
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I got a surprise when I got home. Also I came up with a really good ideaa on my walk home from Erics where I just posted that. One of the reasons I wanted to run 1 pack at a time was I will know how far I can go from my house and still get home. When I have reached my limit I simply switch packs. The problem with that is How will I know?. If I lose power then it is bad for the batteries. Is there a gauge or alarm I could get.
Another thing I thought of is There are only a few places that I actually go. Since Dan and Sunder knows my address then it would be really easy to calculate distance with google maps. Hannaford plaza or Wall-Mart in Niskiauna. I cant spell it but the Wall-Mart store finder in Schenectady. 12303 area code will find it.
The other one is Schenectady City hall. It is downtown and about a block from the library.
And the other would be Ellis hospital in Schenectady Ny . I already did that one and think its about 2.6 miles. 2546 Balltown road is my heart doctors office and I already checked it. I think it was over 5 miles one way. Never been there due to my battery limitations. Saw him at Ellis but easier to get an appointment at his office. I know that is out of my range without a third Lipo pack fully charged starting out.
It would be easier for you guys to check those than for me with this tablet. I could check them tommorow at the library. No major hills. mostly. A couple of little hills going downtown. A little pedel assist comming back home. No hills worth mentioning on the Wall-Mart trip. Ellis has a moderate hill and Balltown road has a big hill. That is about it. Going back to erics to post this, watch a movie and drink some beer.
I am celebrating as I have everything I need to make both e bikes fully functional and will no longer be weighed down with those heavy lead ass batteries. Its only a little over a mile to scrap them if I walk down and back up a really steep hill. Close to 40% I think. I would need both motors on the currie to go up crane st. without peddeling. I did it once with the currie when I first got it at 24 volts but with a lot of pedel assist. Dont have good enough brakes on either bike to go down it.
So much for portable charging. I guess I will be charging at home only. So far I see a single charging port. a single balancing port and power supply wires with bare wires on the end and it says 11 - 18 volt input. thats what the power supply is right?
I will be doing a test run tommorow most likley. I have a lot of studying to do. I will read the manual on that cover to cover. Will have Douge hook everything up when I am teady to charge. Let someone else get zapped instead of me,LOL.
Thanks again. Latecurtis.
Another thing I thought of is There are only a few places that I actually go. Since Dan and Sunder knows my address then it would be really easy to calculate distance with google maps. Hannaford plaza or Wall-Mart in Niskiauna. I cant spell it but the Wall-Mart store finder in Schenectady. 12303 area code will find it.
The other one is Schenectady City hall. It is downtown and about a block from the library.
And the other would be Ellis hospital in Schenectady Ny . I already did that one and think its about 2.6 miles. 2546 Balltown road is my heart doctors office and I already checked it. I think it was over 5 miles one way. Never been there due to my battery limitations. Saw him at Ellis but easier to get an appointment at his office. I know that is out of my range without a third Lipo pack fully charged starting out.
It would be easier for you guys to check those than for me with this tablet. I could check them tommorow at the library. No major hills. mostly. A couple of little hills going downtown. A little pedel assist comming back home. No hills worth mentioning on the Wall-Mart trip. Ellis has a moderate hill and Balltown road has a big hill. That is about it. Going back to erics to post this, watch a movie and drink some beer.
I am celebrating as I have everything I need to make both e bikes fully functional and will no longer be weighed down with those heavy lead ass batteries. Its only a little over a mile to scrap them if I walk down and back up a really steep hill. Close to 40% I think. I would need both motors on the currie to go up crane st. without peddeling. I did it once with the currie when I first got it at 24 volts but with a lot of pedel assist. Dont have good enough brakes on either bike to go down it.
So much for portable charging. I guess I will be charging at home only. So far I see a single charging port. a single balancing port and power supply wires with bare wires on the end and it says 11 - 18 volt input. thats what the power supply is right?
I will be doing a test run tommorow most likley. I have a lot of studying to do. I will read the manual on that cover to cover. Will have Douge hook everything up when I am teady to charge. Let someone else get zapped instead of me,LOL.
Thanks again. Latecurtis.
latecurtis
100 MW
Like I said last night it is impossible to put a washer on the inside of the forks where the lawyers lip is. All it needs is a little filing and the axel can set all the way down into the dropouts without rubbing on anything. The wires would be pinched with a washer on the inside unless I get special washers with an opening in the top for the wires. I don't see what you are talking about cracking the dropouts. It should be just fine after some filing. I will find out tomorrow.
latecurtis
100 MW
Do they even make small portable 50 or 100 watt ac Lipo chargers that would charge and balance a single 44.4 volt 6s pack. Like I said before the library has the outside ac outlet and Eric house is halfway to Wall-Mart and he has power on his back porch. The big power supply can probably power two chargers 1 for 6s packs and 1 for 4s packs and the parallel board will come in handy when I get several more Lipo packs. But right now a portable ac powered dual port balancer/charger would be ideal.
latecurtis
100 MW
1.3 miles for Wall-Mart and city hall downtown. Can switch packs there either place.
latecurtis
100 MW
Balloon Rd doctors office is 4.3 miles one way so close to 10 miles round trip. Like I said I will need a third pack fort it.
latecurtis
100 MW
Ok got it. I thought the lawyers lip was something else. You are talking about the circle thing. I can find a washer to go inside of that. Thanks dude.
latecurtis
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Also I don't have any front brakes on the specialized. Just rode it here and not working since I put the regular wheel back on. The v brakes in the rear work good. I could probably run it without front brakes for now. Just can't go down any big hills. I just want to get it working. I could get a new back wheel set up for disk and run both v and disk in the back. Is anybody there. I am about to watch a movie so will be here about two hours. If not at the library tomorrow.
thanks Latecurtis
thanks Latecurtis
latecurtis
100 MW
I checked eBay. They have ac charger balancers cheap. It would not hurt to get one just to top off the Lipo packs when I can. If I'm sitting at the library for two or three hours it can be plugged in outside. It makes sense to me. Looking for the most amps for around $30 or $40.
latecurtis
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Don't say if it works for 6s though.
DAND214
10 MW
You don't want to run just 12s1p pack at a time. Running them till dead will kill them and can cause a fire when charged. Also most charges will not charge a dead LiPo.
Yes there is a meter or yOU need two for both sets of batteries.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8S-LiPo-B..._Accessories&hash=item3399729e32#ht_946wt_615http://www.ebay.com/itm/18111031878...l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_5376wt_976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19101095465...2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_2794wt_1021
As for range, if you charge all packs and run all 4 you can expect about 8 to 10 miles. You should see a little more in the summer. So if you put the 4 packs togeather than you should have approx 9AH so about 1 mile an AH. Don't stretch it untill you get some way to keep track of the battery voltage in use.
Like I said, if you run them dead you might as well toss them in the dumpster.
As for KFF, if you keep the red to the red and black to black you shouldn't have any KFF. The only red to black is the one taped togeather for the series connection.
I sure hope you get the motor mounted correctly and TIGHT.
AS I SAID RUN ALL FOUR PACKS AND IF IT SLOWS DOWN AT ALL DON'T KEEP GOING. OR YOU WILL NEED NEW PACKS.
Dan
Yes there is a meter or yOU need two for both sets of batteries.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8S-LiPo-B..._Accessories&hash=item3399729e32#ht_946wt_615http://www.ebay.com/itm/18111031878...l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_5376wt_976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19101095465...2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_2794wt_1021
As for range, if you charge all packs and run all 4 you can expect about 8 to 10 miles. You should see a little more in the summer. So if you put the 4 packs togeather than you should have approx 9AH so about 1 mile an AH. Don't stretch it untill you get some way to keep track of the battery voltage in use.
Like I said, if you run them dead you might as well toss them in the dumpster.
As for KFF, if you keep the red to the red and black to black you shouldn't have any KFF. The only red to black is the one taped togeather for the series connection.
I sure hope you get the motor mounted correctly and TIGHT.
AS I SAID RUN ALL FOUR PACKS AND IF IT SLOWS DOWN AT ALL DON'T KEEP GOING. OR YOU WILL NEED NEW PACKS.
Dan
DAND214
10 MW
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Cha...ccessories&hash=item2a314b20ab#ht_4350wt_1311Cheap charger, only 50w so each brick will take a hour to charger.
Dan
Dan
latecurtis
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OK. If both packs go 9 miles. Then theoretically 1 pack should go 4.5 miles. I wont go over 2 miles before I switch to the second pack. Less than that even. 1.3 miles to downtown. Or Wall-Mart. I may go a little bit farther sometimes like a quarter of a mile more. I will make shure I change my packs and will get the alarm. Now that I know what the lawyers lip is I will find washers to fill those holes when I file down the ridge on the inside of the forks I thought was a lawyers lip.
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