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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAxx2E1VURs&feature=youtu.be

Single 6s Lipo pack

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291572565572?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161593361018?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

At 24V it runs at about 1,830 rpm @ 533W with 60T spoke sprocket and 11T motor sprocket. Gearing is 20mph according to sprocket calculator on page 71.

DA. posted that and several power vs speed graphs. Without him the build would have been impossible. Also several members of the forum repeatedly stressed the importance of good brakes. The video shows me stopping in about 15 feet at approx 18mph give or take a little. I have got very good advice here on the forum and help from my friend Doug as he installed the brakes.

If it is a little slow for ya don't worry. After I am finished with the Dimond Back I am building that bike in the bottom picture that has the motor on the back. It needs a new seat as I stole it for the bike in the video. It is over geared for about 35mph but only can do about 27mph currently as the motor is 48V and 1,000w. Instead of ordering a 65 tooth spoke kit I am replacing the front 20" wheel with a 1,500W brushless hub motor on a 24 wheel and also leaving the 1,000W motor on the back. I will be ordering 24" forks set up for disk brakes to stop the thing. Also putting custom U brakes on the back by using heavy duty brackets attached to the framework of the rack. Gearing will depend on the options on the hub motor but am hoping for at least 40mph. :D

Got to walk to Wall-Mart before they close for exercise for my heart,worms for my eels and hopefully a single speed chain so I can pedal if I see a cop. :mrgreen:
Thanks for posting and stay tuned for another episode of As the Hub . . . . . . . Thanks.

LC. out.
 

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I got four Lipo alarms in the drawers somewhere here in this dresser. Never had one for a car to see if you are running out of gas. :)
Think it was called a gas gauge.

Kind of the way I think of a balancer on-board. When one of the cells reach 3.5V that is totally empty. Any further means definite mechanical failure. In a car though its on the side of the road and you are walking miles with a gas can. Used to have to prime the older cars so possible fire and dirt from the bottom of gas tank screws up your motor.

Running Lipo lower than 3.5V can also lead to fire and definitely compromise their usable lifespan. Therefore I need to order at least two more of those balancers so every bike I run Lipo with has one or two if it is 44V. Two things I need to work on is better mounting for Lipo. I need a small mailbox and the ones at Wall-Mart are too big and I need a better way to mount the balancer as it is my fuel gauge. The Lipos are my fuel. I need to construct some sort of dashboard and add a speedo too awhile I am at it.

Do they make some sort of computer for e bikes. It would be nice to know for example how many watt hours a trip downtown compared to back from downtown as it will be different as one is downhills and the other up them. I make these trips a lot going the same places so an average power consumption could be easily calculated after three or four trips and updated. :) The device would go inline with the motor and have an input for the balance connector as well as the speedometer to calculate optimum speed for peak efficiency. If any of these devices exist please let me know. I think it would work out better than Lipo alarms.

For example if I went downtown and then on the bike trail for a spin and a Lipo alarm goes off and I got one spare pack the same size it would not make it home without pushing as home is up the hills. With a car results would be similar and they have computers that measure fuel usage on any given one way trip. It could take 1/3 tank of gas to get somewhere and over 1/2 tank if return trip is 1/2 up hill and over 100 miles for example. Age of the batteries can also be factored in due to decreased range.

Please let me know if any of this hardware and software exists as electric scooters and motorcycles must have dashboards and surely not Lipo alarms. :lol: I am not saying they are totally useless as they would have came in handy when I ran the Lipo low but the balancer works much better. For now a third 8Ah pack will do so I have two spare packs in a storage compartment on the bike so wherever I go when the first pack reads the cells at about 3.5V that is as far as I should go before turning back. I think that I am becoming a genius. Not quite their yet but a lot farther along than when I started. Thanks.

LC. out.
 
Rich people use CellLogs
 
Under heavy throttle ...
6s1p might sag to 3.50V with 50% capacity left!
6s2p might sag to 3.50V with 25% capacity left!
 
http://www.progressiverc.com/celllog-8s.html

that what your talkin about?

kinda drunk.

should not be online. ordered a balancer like one i got i think.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151965631617?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

no good deals on lipo

Maybe pull the old packs Dan sent out of cash box and put bullet plugs on them. :mrgreen:

LIPO SHOOT! this summer. :lol: :lol: Got money for a good pelet gun. :D
 
latecurtis said:
http://www.progressiverc.com/celllog-8s.html

that what your talkin about?

kinda drunk. AGAIN!!

should not be online. ordered a balancer like one i got i think. WHY?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151965631617?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

no good deals on lipo STAY OFF E-BAY FOR LIPO

Maybe pull the old packs Dan sent out of cash box and put bullet plugs on them. :mrgreen: LIKE THEY WERE WHEN I SENT THEM!

LIPO SHOOT! this summer. :lol: :lol: Got money for a good pelet gun. :D
THERE YOU GO AGAIN, WASTE MORE MONEY. SURE WISH I HAD YOUR MONEY TO WASTE!

Get a SPEEDO, learn to use the ALARMS, easier to listen that to watch. You want a SPEEDO that does everything? Here you go http://www.ebikes.ca/product-info/cycle-analyst-3.html You think the alarms are hard to figure out :lol: :lol: :lol: those a piece of cake compared to this.

Just wish you would take in what DA has said so many times instead of asking the same questions over and over. You question what DA and I have tried to help you with.

The LIPO you tried to burn up is dangerous now! It might of charged and it might still work but you are playing with a hand grenade with the pin pulled. If it was discharged that low it is not a toy to trust. You can listen to what I said or DA said, I just hope you find the time to read all what has been written and take it in.

How many times has DA told you about the HUB motor already and you still question what he says. You are one stubborn SOB.

???
 
IMG_1458.JPGI think they still have bullet plugs on them. I believe I just extended them by plugging other bullet plugs in to them then taping wires to the extensions. I remember Ricky next door soldered a new plug to one of them as I scorched the plug hooking them up when they were unbalanced.

Got plenty of plugs left already I ordered. That is why I ordered extra as I planned on pulling Dans packs out of the old cash box. Since you guys don't approve of me using a balancer for a fuel gauge or spending too much money. That is ok. You guys are right. Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I have a need for speed. :twisted: :lol:

I feel like ordering a 4.5 HP AmpFlow motor for the 24" bike and putting the 1,000W motor on there on the front of another 20" bike. :lol:
However it might not reach 50mph and then I would have to mess with chains and sprockets. :x


I will be ordering a 5 killowatt hub kit similar to this. or this not sure as not in English. Around $500 to $1,000 is my price range as I will still have over $1,000 in the bank. :evil:

http://fr.aliexpress.com/store/product/5000w-electric-bike-kit-5kw-brushless-electric-bike-conversion-kit-5kw-e-bike-wheel/637802_1398558037.html



http://www.ebay.com/itm/HPC-Crystalyte-TC-The-Crown-Laced-26-Direct-Drive-Electric-Bicycle-Hub-Motor/181500798055?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36016%26meid%3Dab40525c4603468d813cb9c30659d954%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D181161301492

If it were a complete kit I would be ordering it now. Shopping for 5 killowatt and up hub kits. :evil: Please post a link if you can.

http://www.greyborgusa.com/product/the-cromotor/

That's it. The right one for a decent price. Wish is was a complete kit though. I will need to call them to price the controller.
Not worried about police. Catch me if you can I am the ginger bread man. :lol: :lol:

Thanks again.

LC. out.
 
DrkAngel said:
Rich people use CellLogs

But the 1% use the Cycle Analyst:

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Was so tempted to get one of these, but even I can't justify the price.

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The most impressive thing is that with a torque sensor, you can even accurately measure the human input both as power and total energy.
 
Sunder said:
DrkAngel said:
Rich people use CellLogs

But the 1% use the Cycle Analyst:

Main-Display-Screen.jpg


Was so tempted to get one of these, but even I can't justify the price.

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The most impressive thing is that with a torque sensor, you can even accurately measure the human input both as power and total energy.
???? I'm confused. The CA or the Torque sensor?
I know you are the 1% here :lol: :lol:
I am lost without my CA-V2.3. I misplaced my v3, but I found it again. Too complicated for me.

Dan
 
As the Hub Motor Turns and the Lipo Fire Burns. Unbelievable.


I told the ol lady about the $2,000 I put in the lock box.
I checked the balance just now to see if I got stupid on e bay last night.
Was three hundred and something in there yesterday when I left the bank.

Not telling the ol lady about this. Been faithful for almost 19 years. Will be 51 in 11 days. She is 73 but still healthy.

Not thinking about e bike motors or 50+ mph e bikes right now.

Kind of thinking about something young and slanted. :twisted: :D

Who wants to join me on a little road trip to Chinatown. :D Nothing under 18. One of you get us all there and I will bring $1,500 for us.

DA or Dan please let me know so we can plan the trip. $500 each when we get there. Unless someone knows of a better spot. Sunder is invited also and if he shows up I will bring $2,000 instead of three. :lol: Long trip from Australia though and probably more than $500. :cry:

Anyway having said that I got the pedal chain actually two of them. It was single speed chain I was looking for. Took Wall-Mart about a week to get it in. Still need that mail box though. Hard to believe Wall-Mart don't have a small one. It just needs to be big enough for two packs for 44V for the Diamond Back and run two in parallel for the black bike. I searched Wall-Mart and found nothing which would work. It needs to be metal so I can install a lock if it don't come with one. I heard Home Depot or Lowes may have one.

24" hub motors are also difficult to find. The controller for that 5 to 10 killowatt motor is too much money. Over $400. What I need is a 24" 1,500W hub motor kit for the front of the 24" bike geared as high as possible or 40mph as I will be running the 48V 1,000W motor on the back also. Under $400 is the price I am looking for + gearing options for maximum speed. 2,500W = 40mph right? Please let me know. Thanks.


LC. out.

8:17 am. 4/16.

On my way to golden arches. McDonalds and bank. Perfect day for an e bike video. :lol: Got some banking to take care of. No sleeping all day till it's done.'Don"t want them to take my money back. If a mistake I lost my card. :lol: No way their getting money. MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW. :lol:
 

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As the Hub Motor Turns and the Lipo Fire Burns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-myS3uVplo&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTUcde8bOvM&feature=youtu.be

Early morning run to the bank to put away my money.

Doug was here until 4AM and still did not get the games I wanted installed but got both the 20" bike in the video and the Diamondback pedal ready with brand new chains nice and tight. I will have both 20" e bikes fully functional very soon If I don't go back to prison or die of heart failure from getting tasered or extremely pissed off as the lady downstairs and superintendent woke me up yesterday knocking on my door again for noise or something. I really need to move.

Also why don't I ever get credit for anything I try to do right. Like good brakes finally or proper gearing with the new 36V motor by running it at 24V. I always get criticism for everything that is wrong or not 100% up to standards though. Also a balancer for a fuel gauge works very well. I like to see the voltage in each cell and the pack I ran low was ran again after charging and the cells seem to discharge at equal rate so I think maybe there is hope for it. Thanks.

LC out.
 

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As the Hub Motor Turns and the Lipo Fire Burns.

Not sure which pack was the one I ran low but I took both packs out of the Lipo bag to examine them for physical defects and found none.

The pack I ran yesterday was 3.69 to 3.68V all cells within.01V
The other pack was also within .01V at 3,80 to 3.81V

The lowest pack is on the charger now. I got the balancer mounted to the bike now and plan on mounting two for the Diamond Back. Ordering two more balancers now.

Got three more balancers ordered now for four total. Two for the 48V Diamond Back and an extra one which wont be mounted on the bike. Also ordered this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-2V-6S-10000mah-30C-XT60-Plug-Lipo-Battery-For-RC-Helicopter-Airplane-Hobby/361514532321?_trksid=p2045573.c100508.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150817211856%26meid%3Dfa99292d14334008b45d40e41fa105e8%26pid%3D100508%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26

no good deals on lipo STAY OFF E-BAY FOR LIPO

Was trying to order it from hobby king east US warehouse and went thru pay pal only to have my card declined for some reason. It was $93 with the tax for a 10.0 Turnigy. I did not feel like a hassle to order there so went with e bay against ES members advice. What else is new though. Do I ever listen. No but I did try. Thanks.

The LIPO you tried to burn up is dangerous now! It might of charged and it might still work but you are playing with a hand grenade with the pin pulled. If it was discharged that low it is not a toy to trust.
Thanks though for the warning.


Yea I hear you. Why I charge inside Lipo pouch placed inside metal cash box. Holes facing outside window. Also getting a small black mailbox just large enough to hold two for 44V on the front of the Diamond back and another mailbox for the front of the 20" bike in the video. They will have a lock on the top and will protect the packs from puncture in case of a bike accident and also protect the environment from flames.

Lipo packs inside of Lipo pouches inside a metal box is not something I came up with. I watched a video on you tube where someone punctured a Lipo pack and slammed the lid. It was a cash box similar to mine. The pack was not in a Lipo pouch though. Lots of smoke came out but no flames. The pouch gives the extra protection inside the metal box. Suitable for inside charging in window.

Both packs were charged to 4.19 to 4.20V. I did not wait until the charger read full but amps were 0A on the first pack and .01 on the second all cells 4.19V or above. Good enough and all will drop to 4.16 to 4.17V by tomorrow but am thinking that to be normal as I remember Dans packs did the same thing when I charged them.
I am thinking about charging them to 4.2V when I get the Diamondback up and running. I will lose the ice cube tray and solder bullets on them for two 10AH packs as they are already combined. I can leave them inside the box to accomplish it. Thanks for posting.

LC. out.
 

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Got the new balancer in. Got two more coming. Both packs are on a balancer. I am not sure if I am running these packs in series with the Diamondback but it would make sense as everything up front = lots of cargo in the back. SLAs in the back = little or no cargo capacity back there. I may just keep the SLAs for the Schwinn and that 48V hub motor.

I hope that 10.0 pack off e bay is decent quality. It is perfect for the 20" bike I am running currently. If it is decent I may order another one next month.
About 1/2 hour and the packs should be perfectly balanced. Thanks. Please post when you can.

LC. out.
 
DAND214 said:
???? I'm confused. The CA or the Torque sensor?
I know you are the 1% here :lol: :lol:
I am lost without my CA-V2.3. I misplaced my v3, but I found it again. Too complicated for me.

Dan

I think to have that feature enabled, you need both the torque sensor and the CA working together.

I'm only a 1%er in Australian terms, not US terms. Your 1%ers earn at least $360k a year. Australian 1%ers only need to earn $161k to make it to the prestigious list. It goes deeper than that as well though. While we earn more, everything costs more. For example, a median apartment here would set you back $2200 a month. That's not one in the centre of a city, that's just a pretty ordinary median. A medium sized meal at McDonalds (which I understand is smaller than the US' "small") will cost you around $10, since we have a minimum wage of $18\hour for kids, and $21\hour for adults. It just makes everything more expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining I'm not rich... Just probably not quite your idea of rich ;)
 
not bad for a downtown run. 2.6 miles round trip. gradual decline and level going down one small hill and gradual incline and flat back.

Not sure if it is the pack I ran low, I ran the other pack earlier to Wall-Mart which was a little lower . 4.15 to 4.16V down to bottom picture.

Kind of hard to see balancer / fuel gauge but streetlights work if going slow under them. Surprised the pack ran so well up the hill. This bike is basically a beast. Ready to haul cargo with a rack on the back.

Need to slide a larger seat post over and raise the seat about 5 inches to pedal with my knee. I made it look good by a cop earlier but effective pedal without pain I need it higher.
 

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latecurtis said:
I hope that 10.0 pack off e bay is decent quality. It is perfect for the 20" bike I am running currently. If it is decent I may order another one next month.
Buying the cheapest unknown brand is rarely the way to get a "decent" item ... but, might get lucky?
 
Got to go get those mail boxes today then charge my batteries when I return.
I also need to install the rear rack from the red bike to the black one. I am still looking for a chrome or decent black factory rack for the Diamond Back.

Also I will need to check the old packs Dan sent. I may try combining all four packs to see if they are capable of going downtown and back without slowing down. If four old 5.0 packs can't do what a single new 8.0 pack can then I must retire them.

Since I did not purchase a pellet rifle what is the proper way to dispose of used Lipo?

I will also need to top off the SLAs and give them a run. Maybe I will take out the Schwinn with the SLAs this week.
These Lipos seem to be doing ok now that they are broke in. I hope I do get lucky on the new pack. Thanks for posting.

LC. out.
 
latecurtis said:
... Also I will need to check the old packs Dan sent. I may try combining all four packs to see if they are capable of going downtown and back without slowing down. If four old 5.0 packs can't do what a single new 8.0 pack can then I must retire them.

Since I did not purchase a pellet rifle what is the proper way to dispose of used Lipo?
LC. out.
Donate to someone more appreciative!
Should be good still ...
48V controller should have protected 44.4V Lipo from any severe damage-abuse.
 
Universal controller has no LVC protection!
Running LiPo till they slow down will be damaging!
 
130 pages. Are we officially the longest thread in Endless Sphere yet?

DrkAngel said:
Buying the cheapest unknown brand is rarely the way to get a "decent" item ... but, might get lucky?

First two 6000mah batteries I bought off eBay on a seller with a 99.8% rating were only 3200mah/2800mah, and one started to puff after 3 charges.

Wrote feedback as such on the item, and the seller generously offered to give me back $5 from a $200 order if I retracted my feedback. I laughed in his face (over email at least). I told him if he sent me the same two batteries again, so that I could parallel them into the promised capacity, I would, otherwise the feedback is honest and will remain.
 
Donate to someone more appreciative!
Should be good still ...
48V controller should have protected 44.4V Lipo from any severe damage-abuse.

I do appreciate the packs. It got me started on Lipo. Ran them quite a few times. They did however slow down running them with the Schwinn last year but cell voltage was around 3.7V. That is why I am questioning them. Since I will be installing a rack on the back of the 20" bike for cargo I can lose the ice cube tray and combine all the packs for 22V and run them to see what they got.

I will definitely run the Lipo alarm as I am not running balance extensions from the back of the bike.
Not sure why my card got declined on the Hobby King website.

Went to Lowes to get a mail box but got a cash box instead with a lock.Was made for keys but fixed that as you can see. Will be mounting it to the front of the 20" bike I got running now tomorrow. Going to recharge the new Lipo packs now. Thanks for posting.

LC. out.
 

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LateCurtis said:
They did however slow down running them with the Schwinn last year but cell voltage was around 3.7V. That is why I am questioning them.
Yes, for the umpteenth time ...
"Slow down" was a lucky happenstance of running the 44.4V LiPo with the 48V controller.
LVC restricted current when voltage sagged to the controllers unnecessarily high LVC.
"Necessary(?) in your case.
Additionally, your (occasional) unreasonable method of running as 2 separate low Ah packs, instead of as a single larger Ah pack, greatly amplifies the LVC performance restriction.
Otherwise, your typical methodology of running batteries after they slow down, = dangerously low voltage, would have severely damaged, or destroyed, them!


LVC has saved the LiPo packs! ... from you!
 
Sunder said:
130 pages. Are we officially the longest thread in Endless Sphere yet?

DrkAngel said:
Buying the cheapest unknown brand is rarely the way to get a "decent" item ... but, might get lucky?

First two 6000mah batteries I bought off eBay on a seller with a 99.8% rating were only 3200mah/2800mah, and one started to puff after 3 charges.

Wrote feedback as such on the item, and the seller generously offered to give me back $5 from a $200 order if I retracted my feedback. I laughed in his face (over email at least). I told him if he sent me the same two batteries again, so that I could parallel them into the promised capacity, I would, otherwise the feedback is honest and will remain.

Only 409 more pages and it will be close https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23996

Dan
 
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