Optibike mid drive
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Green Machine
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TylerDurden said:You kids have fun, though... play nice and stay safe.
Its like when keith richards started preaching that kids should stop using drugs.
Green Machine
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Just remembered some weird marketing data that i got from that meeting with craig i think is worth sharing.
20 percent of opti owners end up buying another opti in addition to their first opti...that is the spouse affect. So same same..how us ES guys usually have more than one...opti riders are the same...so there is that recurring all in the same gang thing again.
I thought that was pretty good indication of how happy the opti demographic is with their product.
Also i noticed that the guys in the optigroup really seem to enjoy their products.
Another technical piece of data i got...is that opti tunes their motors to make that specific pitch of noise. So that annoying noise it makes was deliberate. I am not sure why they made it such a high pitched whine..which sounds like a weed whacker. Maybe they thought it was cool sounding...or maybe they wanted to make it clear to pedestrians or whatever that an electric bike is about to glide past. But its not because the motor is at its max...again they are capable and have run, and are running, much more wattage out of the same motor on their own machines..."prototypes"...
20 percent of opti owners end up buying another opti in addition to their first opti...that is the spouse affect. So same same..how us ES guys usually have more than one...opti riders are the same...so there is that recurring all in the same gang thing again.
I thought that was pretty good indication of how happy the opti demographic is with their product.
Also i noticed that the guys in the optigroup really seem to enjoy their products.
Another technical piece of data i got...is that opti tunes their motors to make that specific pitch of noise. So that annoying noise it makes was deliberate. I am not sure why they made it such a high pitched whine..which sounds like a weed whacker. Maybe they thought it was cool sounding...or maybe they wanted to make it clear to pedestrians or whatever that an electric bike is about to glide past. But its not because the motor is at its max...again they are capable and have run, and are running, much more wattage out of the same motor on their own machines..."prototypes"...
Xgreen,
Sorry to see you leave the Opti fold. Your reports and challenges are appreciated...yes, same team.
Did you know if your Opti was in the High Boost mode. Their is an easter egg in the fast/eco switch. Toggle it fast several times and it reprograms the boost from the controller. Opti insider owners know this.
Your under powered experience may have been due to low boost mode. However, as an Opti owner, I KNOW what you mean. I test rode an 1000W E+ next to my Opti and it could not accelerate as well.
The Opti can climb, but it also CRUISES. The MBB and gears allow decent torque and high cruising speeds (30-31mph) at 400-500W output from battery - fast and efficient.
My Cycle Analyst record my usage at a typical 20 whr/mi. One a NEW fresh batt, low rpm and heavy throttle, I'll see 26 whr/mi. Pedalling hard and averaging 25-26mph for 20+ miles, 18 whr/mi.
These are real numbers on rolling hills in Maryland.
Yes, if they ran the battery harder with more current, it would solve the "sluggish feel" compared to power hubs. IMO.
DR
Sorry to see you leave the Opti fold. Your reports and challenges are appreciated...yes, same team.
Did you know if your Opti was in the High Boost mode. Their is an easter egg in the fast/eco switch. Toggle it fast several times and it reprograms the boost from the controller. Opti insider owners know this.
Your under powered experience may have been due to low boost mode. However, as an Opti owner, I KNOW what you mean. I test rode an 1000W E+ next to my Opti and it could not accelerate as well.
The Opti can climb, but it also CRUISES. The MBB and gears allow decent torque and high cruising speeds (30-31mph) at 400-500W output from battery - fast and efficient.
My Cycle Analyst record my usage at a typical 20 whr/mi. One a NEW fresh batt, low rpm and heavy throttle, I'll see 26 whr/mi. Pedalling hard and averaging 25-26mph for 20+ miles, 18 whr/mi.
These are real numbers on rolling hills in Maryland.
Yes, if they ran the battery harder with more current, it would solve the "sluggish feel" compared to power hubs. IMO.
DR
Green Machine
100 kW
Hi Bike-on welcome to the ES....welcome to the darkside 
Yes to sum up the reason i did not like the opti is it was too noisy and underpowerd..if i am going to put up with that noise it better be fast...because it was just as noisy as many RC builds, where putting out the same noise they would be doing 50mph. It was annoying to be making so much noise and going so slow.
I like the hub motors for their silence and their ease of riding...and their affordabity. But i am working on a couple of RC builds because i am fascinated by the power and the efficiency, the balanced weight etc. In essence a RC build is what an optibike is, without the components contained in a case, and without the speed limitations.
You know since you guys have seemed to all chase me over here (i wish you would of while i was reviewing the opti so you could fill me in on the boost mode etc), you should think about starting an "opti-owners" thread and get your optiguys to join you. You guys to seem to appreciate the lively discussion you get here...and its fun to tussle with people from different mindsets. The big problem i had with the optigroup is everyone seemed to be in exact mindset...your definitely one big happy family there so there is not a heck of a lot to talk about....boy did i sure light things up over there (for the record i think i was the "normal" one) I think i was finally accepted over their but after a brutal "breaking in" period. Here you have a much larger ebike domographic you can get feedback on etc...and as you can see...feedback can get lively here as well.
As one ES member put it to me here..Aussie jessler, if people disagree with you or you say something stupid...your going to here about it here. Some smart people this es gang. And...i wouldnt want to tussle with them in an ebike race. You guys should punish Nimbuzz IMO. That guy should be fired as Opti Ambassador.
Anyway i welcome all you opti guys...and i am proud you followed me over...and am enjoying reading the ongoing pikes debate. You guys are fun. I enjoyed my time with you as well.
Really think about an "opti-bike owners" thread. See if it catches on.
ERIC
Yes to sum up the reason i did not like the opti is it was too noisy and underpowerd..if i am going to put up with that noise it better be fast...because it was just as noisy as many RC builds, where putting out the same noise they would be doing 50mph. It was annoying to be making so much noise and going so slow.
I like the hub motors for their silence and their ease of riding...and their affordabity. But i am working on a couple of RC builds because i am fascinated by the power and the efficiency, the balanced weight etc. In essence a RC build is what an optibike is, without the components contained in a case, and without the speed limitations.
You know since you guys have seemed to all chase me over here (i wish you would of while i was reviewing the opti so you could fill me in on the boost mode etc), you should think about starting an "opti-owners" thread and get your optiguys to join you. You guys to seem to appreciate the lively discussion you get here...and its fun to tussle with people from different mindsets. The big problem i had with the optigroup is everyone seemed to be in exact mindset...your definitely one big happy family there so there is not a heck of a lot to talk about....boy did i sure light things up over there (for the record i think i was the "normal" one) I think i was finally accepted over their but after a brutal "breaking in" period. Here you have a much larger ebike domographic you can get feedback on etc...and as you can see...feedback can get lively here as well.
As one ES member put it to me here..Aussie jessler, if people disagree with you or you say something stupid...your going to here about it here. Some smart people this es gang. And...i wouldnt want to tussle with them in an ebike race. You guys should punish Nimbuzz IMO. That guy should be fired as Opti Ambassador.
Anyway i welcome all you opti guys...and i am proud you followed me over...and am enjoying reading the ongoing pikes debate. You guys are fun. I enjoyed my time with you as well.
Really think about an "opti-bike owners" thread. See if it catches on.
ERIC
Eric,
I think Opti following is too small for it's own thread. Geesh, many people didn't even know about it until you posted.
I keep up on ebike news fairly regular. Bike Europe and Extra Energy are good for across the pond. It seems the most powerful OEMs builds in America, E+ and Optibike, and not even on the radar there.
Yes, ES is in it's own element and the best and liveliest I have seen over the years. I post mostly on Tidalforce and Optiowners. ES is a true hobbyist forum it seems.
I hear you about quiet hubs. Always tradeoffs. The mid drives remain the most eff and best hill climbers.
Keep an ear out.
DR
I think Opti following is too small for it's own thread. Geesh, many people didn't even know about it until you posted.
I keep up on ebike news fairly regular. Bike Europe and Extra Energy are good for across the pond. It seems the most powerful OEMs builds in America, E+ and Optibike, and not even on the radar there.
Yes, ES is in it's own element and the best and liveliest I have seen over the years. I post mostly on Tidalforce and Optiowners. ES is a true hobbyist forum it seems.
I hear you about quiet hubs. Always tradeoffs. The mid drives remain the most eff and best hill climbers.
Keep an ear out.
DR
Green Machine
100 kW
So if anyone is interested in buying an optibike there is a great deal on a used one posted today on the opti groups from a private seller in NY.
850r $7000 for a 2008 with rohloff, and external battery pack....that would be over 40ah total....50 mile plus range.
That is a really good deal...best deal ive seen on one yet....it would be great if another es guy picks one up we can get some more reviews.
post is here
http://groups.google.com/group/optibike-owners-group/browse_thread/thread/77907fbecf329a11
850r $7000 for a 2008 with rohloff, and external battery pack....that would be over 40ah total....50 mile plus range.
That is a really good deal...best deal ive seen on one yet....it would be great if another es guy picks one up we can get some more reviews.
post is here
http://groups.google.com/group/optibike-owners-group/browse_thread/thread/77907fbecf329a11
sk8norcal
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bay area
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2373815747.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2373815747.html
Paul_G
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extremegreenmachine said:
I looked up the bill of sales for the bike, its a 2009 Sept....not a 2008.
I was at woodstock is all I can say in my defense
Paul G
Paul_G
10 kW
extremegreenmachine said:
The longest I have gone on low power riding with road bikes was 80 miles and I had 1/2 to 1/3 of one battery left so I think I could have made 100 miles with that bike. Its fun to ride with 20 friends for a day and chat as you put along at 15-20 stopping for lunch and a cigar.
BTW I think it may have sold it the 1st day but no deposit yet so its not a done deal till the green changes hands.
Picture of why its up for sale being un-crated ....I can't take the noise any longer.
Paul G
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Green Machine
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Wow...nice pic Paul G...nice new stealth....
I hope someone here buys that bike..i think its a steal. Really beautiful bike.
Hey look up greyhound for a shipping option..they even provide a bicycle box...you should be able to ship that thing to west coast for $150.
Can you post a quick riders report on the opti here?
I hope someone here buys that bike..i think its a steal. Really beautiful bike.
Hey look up greyhound for a shipping option..they even provide a bicycle box...you should be able to ship that thing to west coast for $150.
Can you post a quick riders report on the opti here?
Paul_G
10 kW
I had a Bionx 350w kit years ago and I loved it set to peddle assist but it cut out at 20 and had limited range, so I bought an Opti.
I'll give it a try, 1st I will say what many will disagree with and that any hub motor bike over 500 watts is not a bike but an electric MC. On a bike when you come to a small hill you need to peddle harder to maintain speed and drop a few gears. The Optibike IS a bike as you start in 4th and run through the gears as you pick up speed, hit hills and you must down-shift the same as a normal bike. The diff is you can go faster (great for the old peeps like me) and the top speed is the same as a good rider on a road bike so its cool to play with the lycra peeps. I was only beat twice and they passed me at 33.
I love the Optibike because its a bike but I hate the noise, thats the reason I'm selling it.
The Stealth is not a bike, its an electric MC you can peddle, come to a hill.....what hill? I cant feel a diff. I passed two peeps on road bikes yesterday at about 22 so they took off after me and I tried to play with them but the smallest twist of the throttle I would jump ahead when we got near 30 MPH and they stopped. So I did some testing and.... I'll have to limit the AMPS to 16 from 65 next time I go trolling for lycra as that will give me 30-31 MPH unassisted
One problem with the Stealth is the crowds pf people that form around the bike when I stop, not good when riding in NYC and trying to look and act normal
I'll give it a try, 1st I will say what many will disagree with and that any hub motor bike over 500 watts is not a bike but an electric MC. On a bike when you come to a small hill you need to peddle harder to maintain speed and drop a few gears. The Optibike IS a bike as you start in 4th and run through the gears as you pick up speed, hit hills and you must down-shift the same as a normal bike. The diff is you can go faster (great for the old peeps like me) and the top speed is the same as a good rider on a road bike so its cool to play with the lycra peeps. I was only beat twice and they passed me at 33.
I love the Optibike because its a bike but I hate the noise, thats the reason I'm selling it.
The Stealth is not a bike, its an electric MC you can peddle, come to a hill.....what hill? I cant feel a diff. I passed two peeps on road bikes yesterday at about 22 so they took off after me and I tried to play with them but the smallest twist of the throttle I would jump ahead when we got near 30 MPH and they stopped. So I did some testing and.... I'll have to limit the AMPS to 16 from 65 next time I go trolling for lycra as that will give me 30-31 MPH unassisted
One problem with the Stealth is the crowds pf people that form around the bike when I stop, not good when riding in NYC and trying to look and act normal
VSkudarnov
10 W
extremegreenmachine said:
$7 grand for the e-bike?
Sorry, mate, do not understand where is the steal...
Green Machine
100 kW
Good one Paul G...Paul_G said:.... I'll have to limit the AMPS to 16 from 65 next time I go trolling for lycra as that will give me 30-31 MPH unassisted
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Thanks for the rest of the insight...
It was pretty much the noise that turned me off as well...
I think your selling that bike too cheap..its worth more like 8...did you hear opti is all out of stock on used bikes? I got mine for 7k only because i haggled with the seller for a full month..and he just lost his job and needed money bad. He was trying to sell the bike for 8.6k without an extended battery.
Regarding the deal:
*The opti has a $1500 rohloff on it that virtually does not lose its value used because they only get better with age.
* This opti has an extended battery pack...a $1500 option on that bike. It has total 44ah of lico, bms controlled packs with a expected life span of 30,000 miles....it may still actually have a warranty.
* subract those two items from that bike you are getting a great opti bike for 4k...amazing when you think of it that way.
* Opti has terrific resale value....you could buy this one for 7k ride it all summer and feasibly sell it at the end of the summer for 8k..for sure you would get 7k with no effort. The fact paul g sold his on the first day he put it up for sale with no advertising is proof of that concept. Thats pretty much how it went for me too..just mentioned here on this thread that my opti was for sale and i got many interested buyers and sold it with no hassle.
Paul_G
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extremegreenmachine said:Good one Paul G...Paul_G said:.... I'll have to limit the AMPS to 16 from 65 next time I go trolling for lycra as that will give me 30-31 MPH unassisted
:
Thanks for the rest of the insight...
It was pretty much the noise that turned me off as well...
I think your selling that bike too cheap..its worth more like 8...did you hear opti is all out of stock on used bikes? I got mine for 7k only because i haggled with the seller for a full month..and he just lost his job and needed money bad. He was trying to sell the bike for 8.6k without an extended battery.
Regarding the deal:
*The opti has a $1500 rohloff on it that virtually does not lose its value used because they only get better with age.
* This opti has an extended battery pack...a $1500 option on that bike. It has total 44ah of lico, bms controlled packs with a expected life span of 30,000 miles....it may still actually have a warranty.
* subract those two items from that bike you are getting a great opti bike for 4k...amazing when you think of it that way.
* Opti has terrific resale value....you could buy this one for 7k ride it all summer and feasibly sell it at the end of the summer for 8k..for sure you would get 7k with no effort. The fact paul g sold his on the first day he put it up for sale with no advertising is proof of that concept. Thats pretty much how it went for me too..just mentioned here on this thread that my opti was for sale and i got many interested buyers and sold it with no hassle.
Your a great salesman.....I even want to buy it
It may have sold the 1st day, no green in my hand yet but he wants to fly in from WA and pack it up, he will call on the phone tonight or maybe he backed out...we will see but another asked from FL.
I added the Rohloff, cost was around $2200.00 and after 3000 miles its gotten SO smooth.
Extra battery was $1799.00 at the time but I got them down to $1200 if I remember
So I guess battery's are warr till Sept 2012 as they give 3 years
Paul G
Paul_G
10 kW
Bike sold $7K, deposit check is in the mail I'm told.
took one day, that speaks volumes for an Optibike
Paul g
took one day, that speaks volumes for an Optibike
Paul g
Green Machine
100 kW
or it says paul G asked too little for his opti :wink:
Only advertising was on opti forums with like 20 active members...not bad...
You should have asked more like 8 and waited a week. Its spring time after all and opti used stock is running low.
I am afraid i started a precedent selling my bike for 7....i would have asked 8 if i seriously put it up for sale..just talked about selling it here and sold within a few days.
Only advertising was on opti forums with like 20 active members...not bad...
You should have asked more like 8 and waited a week. Its spring time after all and opti used stock is running low.
I am afraid i started a precedent selling my bike for 7....i would have asked 8 if i seriously put it up for sale..just talked about selling it here and sold within a few days.
Paul_G
10 kW
extremegreenmachine said:
Thats why I asked $7k after I saw you sold it , I was thinking of asking for 6, you got me an extra thousand....beer is on me next time your in NYC
Paul g
Paul_G said:
hats 1way of lookin @it.
factually, speaks volumes of P. T. Barnum
Paul_G said:Thats why I asked $7k after I saw you sold it , I was thinking of asking for 6, you got me an extra thousand....beer is on me next time your in NYC
factually, fer the xtra $1k a half bottle of opti-water would be more appropriate.
it's the water found only in the top line ob-1 bottle cage & inside the finest douchebags.
Kepler
10 MW
extremegreenmachine said:
Nice Stealth??? Thought they were a sucker buy.
Tell us more.
Green Machine
100 kW
Your funny tool....i always love your posts....yeah i heard a rumor that the new ob-1 is going to sell for like 25k....can you imagine how much ruckus that will cause? Did you see that physics joined the optigroup? That was funny as all hell when he started posting his data there....
Kepler,
Yep i dont like the stealth...i posted those things over at the opti forum for the optiguys...sorry to all stealth guys. I am allowed my opinion...and its just an opinion.
I think the optigroup is the biggest buyer of stealths as subset of people. There are only like 30 guys active on that group and like 5 of them have bought stealths and it seems a bunch more are about to jump into one like paul g did. But dont worry those guys dont listen to anything i say on the optigroups...they are prob more likely to throw down money for a stealth after i thrashed it. I hope everyone goes out and buys a stealth to display next to their opti...i really do...throw some more money into the ebike community..i think its a great thing. So i sincerely appologize for slamming stealth over there..i dont even remember writing that....
Ok so you want me to tell you more my opinion...since you asked...(opinions are about all i got to offer here on ES where i am completely outgunned knowledge wise) i will offer my opinion in case its worth anything to anyone:
If i had to buy one of the two i would still buy an optibike over a stealth.
I have this thing against 130lb machines. I think the hard thing is build a lightweight powerful ebike....
The opti is less than half the weight of the stealth.
...i would not spend 10k on a stealth or 12k on a new optibike. That has been my learning process. I would prefer my light weight and silent bmc bikes to either one. Also from my testing my bmc is actually more efficient and much faster than an optibike in most conditions...imagine that. And i would bet the house that the bmc is more efficient than the stealth although i have not tested.
You can do a lot with the new 16lb crystallite if you dont mind that weight in your rear....probably build yourself a better stealth in a weekend if you have a good budget and can risk using lipos... Optibike with its middrive is much harder to build..and it has a much harder clean look to replicate. IMO I like the look of the opti much more. It has stealthy looks if that makes sense....too bad the noise is very unstealthy. Wholesale price on a crystallite motor is like $130. You couldnt buy an opti motor if you wanted one (i already tried)...there is a big advantage in selling a bike with proprietary parts...the only thing proprietary about the stealth is that big bulky frame...designed to hold gigantic and heavy lifepo4 battery cells.
And i do think the opti will hold its value better...because 2 years from now after the great crystallite flood (the new crystallites are on the boat as we speak) ....no one will see spending big bucks on a bike with just a crystallite on it.
The only truly great thing i can say about the opti is i was able to buy one for 7k...ride it for 3 weeks...and easily sell it for 7k...and i am selling the extended battery i got for my profit. It would be hard to sale any other used ebike for 7k i believe. In my days i have never seen any other brand sale that easily for that high of a price point.
But then again...stealth is the only other bike i can imagine you could resale used quickly.
I am doing an experiment right now on how good of a bike you can build in your garage for like 10k....we are talking matt drive, 3220 rc motor (i meant dual 3220s), custom titanium frame....i want to race one against a stealth when it is finished....total weight of my bike would be less than 60lbs... optiweight. So Paul G...i might take you up on that beer in NYC..and maybe you will take me up on a race? Also i want to win a beauty contest against opti and stealth..that would be real goal....forget the race.
Kepler,
Yep i dont like the stealth...i posted those things over at the opti forum for the optiguys...sorry to all stealth guys. I am allowed my opinion...and its just an opinion.
I think the optigroup is the biggest buyer of stealths as subset of people. There are only like 30 guys active on that group and like 5 of them have bought stealths and it seems a bunch more are about to jump into one like paul g did. But dont worry those guys dont listen to anything i say on the optigroups...they are prob more likely to throw down money for a stealth after i thrashed it. I hope everyone goes out and buys a stealth to display next to their opti...i really do...throw some more money into the ebike community..i think its a great thing. So i sincerely appologize for slamming stealth over there..i dont even remember writing that....
Ok so you want me to tell you more my opinion...since you asked...(opinions are about all i got to offer here on ES where i am completely outgunned knowledge wise) i will offer my opinion in case its worth anything to anyone:
If i had to buy one of the two i would still buy an optibike over a stealth.
I have this thing against 130lb machines. I think the hard thing is build a lightweight powerful ebike....
The opti is less than half the weight of the stealth.
...i would not spend 10k on a stealth or 12k on a new optibike. That has been my learning process. I would prefer my light weight and silent bmc bikes to either one. Also from my testing my bmc is actually more efficient and much faster than an optibike in most conditions...imagine that. And i would bet the house that the bmc is more efficient than the stealth although i have not tested.
You can do a lot with the new 16lb crystallite if you dont mind that weight in your rear....probably build yourself a better stealth in a weekend if you have a good budget and can risk using lipos... Optibike with its middrive is much harder to build..and it has a much harder clean look to replicate. IMO I like the look of the opti much more. It has stealthy looks if that makes sense....too bad the noise is very unstealthy. Wholesale price on a crystallite motor is like $130. You couldnt buy an opti motor if you wanted one (i already tried)...there is a big advantage in selling a bike with proprietary parts...the only thing proprietary about the stealth is that big bulky frame...designed to hold gigantic and heavy lifepo4 battery cells.
And i do think the opti will hold its value better...because 2 years from now after the great crystallite flood (the new crystallites are on the boat as we speak) ....no one will see spending big bucks on a bike with just a crystallite on it.
The only truly great thing i can say about the opti is i was able to buy one for 7k...ride it for 3 weeks...and easily sell it for 7k...and i am selling the extended battery i got for my profit. It would be hard to sale any other used ebike for 7k i believe. In my days i have never seen any other brand sale that easily for that high of a price point.
But then again...stealth is the only other bike i can imagine you could resale used quickly.
I am doing an experiment right now on how good of a bike you can build in your garage for like 10k....we are talking matt drive, 3220 rc motor (i meant dual 3220s), custom titanium frame....i want to race one against a stealth when it is finished....total weight of my bike would be less than 60lbs... optiweight. So Paul G...i might take you up on that beer in NYC..and maybe you will take me up on a race? Also i want to win a beauty contest against opti and stealth..that would be real goal....forget the race.
Kepler
10 MW
extreeme,
totally agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its the miss informed opinions that I have trouble dealing with. Also your "sucker buy" comment is quite frankly insulting to anyone who has ever purchased a Stealth. OK, you have apologised. I trust it was sincere.
totally agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its the miss informed opinions that I have trouble dealing with. Also your "sucker buy" comment is quite frankly insulting to anyone who has ever purchased a Stealth. OK, you have apologised. I trust it was sincere.
Lets not get too carried away here, but please, get serious. Thankfully most people on this forum are having a bit of chuckle. I need to lighten up and do the same.
Green Machine
100 kW
Ok Kepler,
Then if you think you cant squeeze enough power out of a 16lb crystallite by overvolting it air cooling it etc., , then buy the 5304 for cheap and live with the 23 lbs of lead weight in your rear wheel...
What is your point that you cant get close to stealth performance with the new crystallites?
The 5304 is not proprietary to stealth..and anyone can buy it and run the same amperage too it for under 1.5k and have tons of money left over for asthetics, suspension etc......so why did you spend 10k on yours?
I personally would never ride with even 16lbs in the wheel....sucks ass.
Anyway i will race you with one of my homebuilds against your stock stealth for money....any time.
Then if you think you cant squeeze enough power out of a 16lb crystallite by overvolting it air cooling it etc., , then buy the 5304 for cheap and live with the 23 lbs of lead weight in your rear wheel...
What is your point that you cant get close to stealth performance with the new crystallites?
The 5304 is not proprietary to stealth..and anyone can buy it and run the same amperage too it for under 1.5k and have tons of money left over for asthetics, suspension etc......so why did you spend 10k on yours?
I personally would never ride with even 16lbs in the wheel....sucks ass.
Anyway i will race you with one of my homebuilds against your stock stealth for money....any time.
remf
100 kW
extremegreenmachine said:
My money would be on Kepler and his far from stock Bomber. You can only laugh at the same joke for so long.
Green Machine
100 kW
Screw it...stock or no stock i will race him.
