CraigT said:
Now seriously, do you really think I booked a trip to San Francisco because someone wrote something bad in this forum? Just say that sentence out loud to yourself to see how ridiculous it sounds.
what's not ridiculous & why i find ur motives suspect is that uve attempted this b4 on the mod from the tidalforce forum.
the tried & tru marketing tactic of cutting off the head of the snake so the body will die.
trying to buy him off in the hopes of turning a critic into a cheerleader.
deerfencer said:
A year or so ago Craig and Jim from Opti tried to get me to trade in my beloved modified Tidalforce S750X (Uma) by offering me a killer deal on an Opti with a generous trade-in allowance for Uma but I was simply not interested in swapping silent power for a less powerful buzz bomb.
ive no doubt u do indeed make regular trips to SF.
the only salient point uve deliberately chosen to ignore in order to shift the focus away from it i'll repeat here:
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
show me where uve extended this kind of invite the previous dozen times over the past year.
its never happened b4.
i.e. not the trip itself but why make the visit public at this particular time.
clearly there has to be an impetus for this sudden & drastic change in routine.
that u expect us to believe this should happen like lightning out of the blu,
that's what sounds ridiculous.
the conversation in boulder could have gone something along the lines of;
"ya know, i'm headed to SF anyways. i should have breakfast with guy. do a sell job on him, feel him out on how best to get him to change his tune. i'll just post an open invite on the opti-forum that i don't frequent. i guarantee he'll snap up the bait like an ol' big-mouth bass".
am i close? no matter, if nothing else it's an opportunity 4u to write off the trip as a business expense, no doubt ule be keeping the receipts for the breakfast.
btw, do they have name for this common tactic in marketing school, shifting focus in order to steer the conversation away from areas u don't want to answer?
i notice goldberg does that a lot, actually so do most republicans so i would appreciate if anyone can come up with a suitable label.
the sasquehanee shuffle?
CraigT said:
But to compare a fully integrated, balanced electric bike built to do a number of things very well to a homebuilt E-chopper (not that I have anything against them!) in one short event is hardly an apples to apples comparison.
exactly spot-on the nose correct, on any given sunday it's for anyone to take the prize.
and yet strangely when it's the reverse case u don't seem to concede or excuse the same disparity when its opti that comes out on top like @PP.
first off, it's never a level playing field (p.i.) when any privateer has to go up against a factory team with a much bigger budget & support crew but additionally the damn mountain is in right in ur own back yard!
that's a huge disadvantage with travel & lodging expense heaped onto the privateers but there's no apples to apples complaining from u on this score.
no, u do a turkey trot all year long over ur vainglorious conquering of PP, squeezing mileage out of the win fer all she's worth.
optibikes PP wins aren't the result of being so much better but rather that it's had a very easy time of it.
actually optibike has never faced a truly serious challenger simply due to in large part of the expense in just getting there.
as someone recently posted in the deathrace thread, 90% of winning is simply showing up.
i wuvs the comment from a long time opti owner & recent stealth buyer when he finds out exactly how steep is the big bad scary PP that he's heard so much hype about (largely from CraigT); "15%... that's it?!!"
have u noticed how the single largest segment of stealth bomber customers consists of opti owners?
calling the stock crystalyte X5 a 'superhub', considering what they've become accustomed to i can c y.
CraigT said:
How about a ride from Twin Peaks to the top of Mt. Tam and back as the second hill climb ride? I would love the see the results of that one- as the winner of that event will need to BALANCE hill climbing ability, range, efficiency and overall balance in order to complete the course in good form.
sur, but only if optibike will do it with the cranks off so u can't pedal, same as the 9cBMX without a chain.
ya c, this is where opti is bit of a con-job.
they gets the user to pay big bucks, have him do a big chunk of the heavy lifting, then take
all the credit for how efficient & advanced it is, why it's worth all that money.
without the cranks then we can c what the bike is really made of.
CraigT said:
Ha! Yes, "beliefs" like your "belief" that I regard this board as a bunch of "kooks." I think this board is awesome, and I read it regularly, as I have said before.
actually what uve said is u think ES is full of Nazi's.
Craig said:
someoneinevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing
it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.
Craig said:
someone inevitably criticizes some point
(or bike) in the discussion by referencing beliefs held by the small
group of home-built electric bike enthusiasts at Endless Sphere.
u make a straight-up substitution for 'Hilter' with 'group of home-built electric bike enthusiasts'.
u make a straight-up substitution for 'Nazis' with 'Endless Sphere'.
with the express intent of subtly leaving an impression in the readers mind linking the two together all the while making out like u didn't cut one.
so what do they call
this tactic in marketing school?
here's some good advice.
u shud follow it.
CraigT said:
I would appreciate it if you would keep the name calling to the kids in third grade.
