Rodney64
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Rix said:QuestionMan said:I like these clamping torque arms and that you will keep it 150mm standard as most people always need more room.
You see, that is why I made that post pushing (complaining) about the dropouts because clamping type are so important, especially if you use regen. Even without regen I have read posts where non-clamping torque arms will put little play in the axle and eventually snap the axle. If it doesn't snap it, the axle nut will probably eventually come loose.
Now the only big question is will 150mm wide dropouts allow a cromotor 2 with disc brakes? This will be the last thing I would need to know before buying this frame. I think most people who buy this will probably go with a cromotor 2?
I think the Cro2 would fit just fine being the axle faces are 145mm. But the problem may arise with getting a rear brake to fit because there would be enought room to shim the rotor away from the hub shell for caliper clearance. Seems like thats what I heard and forget about using a Cog set (cluster).I can't remember who measured and broke down the dimensions of the Cro and mounting on the Bomber 162mm wide a while back and identified this issue. I could be way wrongwith the Cro option so please dont take what I just said as scripture. Another option would be the now available Crown which isn't as robust or a 54xx with the 150mm axle faces. I am really excited about the Torque Bikes Frame and cant wait to hear some reviews. Also the fact that Torque Bikes listened to some of the thread's commenters about the enclosed dropout mod says that they are sersious about being a player in the Ebike game which I applaud.
Rick
All, you need a 155mm minimum swing arm to fit the disc brake with a cromotor2. On the disc brake side you need to add another 10mm with washers to allow the clearance of the phase and hall wires, (145mm+10mm=155mm) I added 3mm more on the disc brake side and a thick 2mm washer on the freewheel side to allow clearance for the chain from the Phasor frame=160mm. Not enough clearance and then you risk the chance of damaging the wires from the disc brake screw heads. I also covered the cable with 2, 5mm cable ties to make sure that this didn't happen. I had to cut the washers (made them into c washers) if this makes sense. Poor design on the disc brake side on the Cromotor 2 to allow clearance for the cable exiting the frame. My measurement may not be %100 accurate but my swing arm on mp Phasors 160 and that accurate.
Torque bikes have informed me that you will be able to spread the swing arm to allow the 155mms required for a cromotor to fit and this is with a single freewheel. I tried a cluster on my Phasor with a 160 mm dropout and had to spread the frame 10mm. Decided to take it off as It was too tight and only had 5mms of room for the nut.
Actually a 160mm swing arm would be ideal on the raptor frame. Then I'd buy one.
I think what Torque bikes wants to achieve is a universal width for all applications. But the problem is 150mm just isn't wide enough for the Cro and the 54XX, even though the 54XX can be ordered with 150mm Axles. I had one with 150mm axle, using the disk brake spacer it was just not enough for rotor clearance for the phase and sensor wires. Maybe a 160mm disk, but not a 203mm. But the 150mm will accommodate geared, H35 and H40 along with 9C and all the others out there with extra room to spare. Don't know about the Crown, but the performance numbers look good on Justin's Ebike CA simulator. Definitely not a durable at the 5403 but good.
